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Final Fantasy Type-0 HD coming to PS4/Xbox One (no Vita), Agito coming too (iOS/And)
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itzknickknac
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What if they plan to have a surprise release of the vita, but at a later date? I think it'd be nice if they did, and add an option to use the fans translation as a subtitle selection.
I've never tied to, because I don't make frivolous petitions, but no, I don't think you can.
CamHostage
Member
No, not that. But it does kind of remind me of how Omega Force approached Toukiden, where the PSP and Vita versions were technically the same with shared areas and figures but the Vita version looked like a whole different game because they approached the texturing and effects with next-gen trickery. One looked like a mid-tier PSP game, the other looked like one of the best on Vita, and even when you play them both you have a hard time reconciling that they are the same game because the look has been pumped up so.
The screenshot of Type-0 HD released so far strikes me as what you might wind up with if you brought those assets into something like Unreal Engine and started layering in effects and redrawing over the source assets. And depending on what engine it's built in (and the extent of the rebuild of the entire scope of the game,) that may or may not exclude Vita from the possible options.
But of course, that's a lot to read into a single screenshot that we don't even know the story behind.
To be honest it would be better to just give up, otherwise they might do everything to try (in vain, we're talking about SE here) to bring the game on vita when ressource could be used somewhere else.
Not that i think they have ressource allocated to the vita but still, who knows.
Not that i think they have ressource allocated to the vita but still, who knows.
Hardly the outlier - God Eater 2 also released cross-gen, as do a lot of other games right now, which are, granted, PS3/PS4 or X360/XB1, rather than console+portable.
I think the big question is if the HD version is simply being spruced up or being remade. There are Squeenix precedents for both, really - KH1.5/2.5/X HD being an example of (good, mind you) spruce-ups, where the original KH CoM vs PS2 KH CoM being an example of the game being adapted to be 'less portable'.
If it's an adaptation, that means they can't simply take the translation and slap it on the PSP version.
My personal prediction is that Square Enix aren't going to do anything that is going to push either of their big internal titles (KH3/FFXV) back any more, and I'm not sure if they're going to outsource a game-mechanic revamp, so it's likelier to be a spruce-up.
That being said though, especially with the existence of Agito which in itself is another game mechanic overhaul over the same assets, the bottom line is, there's too little to go on either way, so jumping to conclusions at this point is a little silly.
OldKingDoran
Banned
Dammit i missed out on most of this, but Shahid fucked up lol
Black Door
Banned
Haeralis The BRave
Banned
Shahid didn't do anything, it was Square.
Impeccable
Member
And I mean - if anything - thank you Shahid and company.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I lol a bit when reading about "this project exist because of VITA fans being loud about it"... as if a mega publisher like S-E cares at all about little petitions. Sure, mentioning "fans" in the announcement video let them appear more "close" to them, but if this port exist at all is because they see only now a chance to make easy money by recycling a game 4yrs old and launching as "new" for the PS4/ONE big exploding market now. Type-0 HD is like LR: FFXIII, a way to launch a game with 1.5 yrs dev. at a lower cost to cash-in in the next fiscal year.
Canis lupus
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Yes you can. Your previous post is ridicilous and I 'm perplexed why you decided to reply to me with it. " It's 200,000 because this website for creating petitions is about real problems, not kids who don't get what they want on Christmas." wtf
Jathaine
Member
That's fine, but there's also other people in this world. Everyone has their preferences!
Honestly, if it were available for both I'd probably buy it twice. I like the game that much.
King Gilga
Member
AcademicSaucer
Member
I quote just your last post because you as most of the others that are so eager to defend Square because is making a game on your platform seem to really know nothing:
1)Vita owners being the 0,001%: OMGLOL, IIRC Vita sold something like 6 millions, PS4 7 millions, yeah the 0,0001%.
2)the petition: it was made by SCEE(Sony Europe if you don't know), not by a group of fans, SCEE obviously contacted Square after that, so Square listened.
3)you first say that there are so many improvements that it's a new game then you say that's a quick cash in lol, what will you say next to justify Square?
4)it's hard to tell how good are the graphics from that screen, but i can safely say that it hardly pushes the PS4 and it's totally doable on Vita with few downgrades, maybe you forgot Killzone Mercenary and other awesome looking Vita games.
5)And in any case Vita owners would have been totally happy with just the localized PSP version, but Square being Square.
Well Vita owners can play Type 0 now and for cheap on PSP(it still looks awesome and it's totally playable on the PSP) thanks to the localization and save the money for something else.
birthbysleep
Member
Even if Shahid jumped to conclusions too soon we shouldn't bully him.
And I don't think he jumped to conclusions too soon. You usually expect that a person that works writting PR articles for media outlets won't fuck up the TITLE of his article.
Especially when you're publishing it in the busiest time of the year.
I don't want him to be fired, but I really hope he has learnt a lesson and that he will re-read the text he has written before submiting it next time.
I really laughed at this lol.
This post is full of ignorance. You didn't follow the fan campaigns at all, did you?
At least he is acknowledging what Lightning Returns is.
Which is ironic given he praised it for months as the next coming of Jesus.
I think Perfo's points are spot on really. He's saying that ultimately, the reason SQEX is bringing it over is because of their own market research and profit estimates, not petitions. It's speculation about a company's motives, so there's no proof either way, but it sure seems a lot more likely to me at least.
If they were listening specifically to a Vita petition, they would have probably put the game on Vita. Clearly they thought of the western interest in a way that was not specifically linked to Vita, as evidenced by this announcement.
They say that western fans wanting the game was a big motivator for them, but at the end of the day, they take that information and then look at the cost analysis to make their decisions, and they look at the health of each platform to decide where to get the best return on their investment.
Vita fans didn't cause this to happen. SQEX caused this to happen, the people everyone seems so mad at in here. If anything, Vita fans are going to smear this game with negative publicity, push a fan translation over the official product, and hurt the reputation and potential sales of the game if these kinds of conversations continue for the next few months. Vita "fans" so far are the reason this game has had negative publicity on Kotaku, and a twitter hashtag campaign #NoVitaNoBuy, which is literally attempting to organize people to NOT buy the game.
It's sad that people are still upset with SQEX even though they are announcing something awesome.
If they were listening specifically to a Vita petition, they would have probably put the game on Vita. Clearly they thought of the western interest in a way that was not specifically linked to Vita, as evidenced by this announcement.
They say that western fans wanting the game was a big motivator for them, but at the end of the day, they take that information and then look at the cost analysis to make their decisions, and they look at the health of each platform to decide where to get the best return on their investment.
Vita fans didn't cause this to happen. SQEX caused this to happen, the people everyone seems so mad at in here. If anything, Vita fans are going to smear this game with negative publicity, push a fan translation over the official product, and hurt the reputation and potential sales of the game if these kinds of conversations continue for the next few months. Vita "fans" so far are the reason this game has had negative publicity on Kotaku, and a twitter hashtag campaign #NoVitaNoBuy, which is literally attempting to organize people to NOT buy the game.
It's sad that people are still upset with SQEX even though they are announcing something awesome.
Especially if they're worried about sales.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I followed it, I didn't partecipate in it. No publisher (of this level) will ever decide to publish a game based solely on few signatures and emails. Type-0 gets published now because they see this as the right moment: and guess what? They don't publish it on PSP or VITA where you say, people wanted it but where THEY want it to be... that is, where they think it'll sell more. If the fans and petitions were central to their plan, they would've done things perhaps differently, and maybe 2 yrs ago and not 3-4 yrs after especially. They're intelligent in mentioning "fans" during the E3 announcement, but that's just pure marketing to get in touch with them... (and while doing so, forgetting about VITA/PSP demands
). I didn't contradict myself in there... that XIII-2 and LR: FFXIII are cheaper to produce than any main other entry is something obvious. That doesn't make these games less interesting or good. Same as for Type-0, old that it is, with the right "make up" (->remade) it'll be as convincing as any other title releasing in that frame. It'll be good.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
It sounds as if S-E never planned to bring Type-0 here, but we all know that is not correct nor true. S-E 2 yrs ago already completed the translation for the original game, but then decided to not publish it (yet) on PSP because the console was dead, thus starting to look for a more viable platform. Portable market is dead in the west, there were no other options. They waited, coocked, planned... finally announced when, where and how to bring it: next year, on ps4, as an HD remake. Not because fans asked, but because they have an AA Final Fantasy to sell to the west market ready from 2-3 yrs. They always wanted to take it here by default, like they always did bring here any other major FF. PSP just slowed them. Petitions, Operation Suzaku and stuff have been, basically, uninfuential to this decision. If not to use them as a marketing.trick for making the company seem more in touch.
In-engine pic states otherwise for now, regarding what you say. Maybe just a really beautiful HD remaster if you want. But surely more appealing than what I've seen in X and KH respective remasters.
That theme is up there with one of the bests
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TURIgOnscY (3:15 onwards is divine)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TURIgOnscY (3:15 onwards is divine)
There is a reason. We just don't know what it is.
My guess, personally, is that FFX HD was delayed as long as it was because getting it to run on Vita was a massive pain for them and turned out to be a huge investment that was not at all worth it.
Apparently Sony was even asking them to put Type-0 on Vita, and they still declined. So yes, there is absolutely a reason. We can only guess at what it is, but it seems pretty obvious. The profit they would get (if any) is not worth the time or the cost.
You know, I somehow doubt it. There's no precedent of developers having trouble developing for Vita. If anything it's the other way round, especially when it comes to PS3-Vita releases.
X HD was delayed because SE had trouble with the source code. It had nothing to do with Vita.
Maybe. I'm not saying coding for Vita is complicated like coding for PS3's cell architecture. I'm saying it's not as powerful.
Look at Borderlands 2 on Vita and PS3, or Sigma + / Sigma 2 +.
KH 1.5/ 2.5 were also not announced for Vita, and they seem to be progressing a lot faster.
It was just a guess, so who knows.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
At least it's coming to the West at all.
Team Ninja making terrible vita ports have nothing to do with anything...
They called FFX HD a remaster as well, and it has a lot of significant adjustments to it. So it remains to be seen how much will go into Type-0. The word doesn't guarantee it one way or the other.
And Sony with Borderlands 2, even bundled in their new system.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Well there you go people. Hopefully everyone can enjoy an official version late 2015. And can help bridge a gap between the release of XV and other possible console output.
But it guarantees it won't be a full remake like some people in here have suggested. They might adjust some of the character models but it will still very much be a PSP game upconverted to HD. The development length of X HD was really long and I don't think that sort of commitment will be applied to this project due to time restraints.
The game would look and sound ultra shitty if SE just slaps the game on a PS4.
This would give a REALLY bad rap for FF to unknowing users.
"Hey man, don't buy this FF anymore.I bought this game for my XB1 and it looked and played like SHIT! I am getting COD instead of FF15 its gonna suck like Type-0"
This game could lay the foundation for the gen, SE had to consider this when they decided to make this....Right guys? RIGHT ? :O
This would give a REALLY bad rap for FF to unknowing users.
"Hey man, don't buy this FF anymore.I bought this game for my XB1 and it looked and played like SHIT! I am getting COD instead of FF15 its gonna suck like Type-0"
This game could lay the foundation for the gen, SE had to consider this when they decided to make this....Right guys? RIGHT ? :O
Just overthinking this probably
birthbysleep
Member
Do you think they will really charge $60 for it?
I'm honestly not seeing your point. What does Team Ninja's Inferior Vita ports to NG and DOA have to do with anything?
Sony having Boarderlands 2, a high profile title ported to the Vita which tool little to no time away from Gearbox developing the new Boarderlands...I'm not seeing where your going with this. TN also took no time Developing those shitty ports...as both NG3:RE and DOA5U were released not long after those titles...