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[Anura]

A more light hearted and silly story would be really cool for smash IMO. Smash to me has always been somewhat goofy and friendly and the tone of subspace just seemed really off...

 

[Neiteio]

About Snake in SSB4, if he's back, I bet Sakurai would update his appearance to have his green camo from MGS3 (and maybe even face paint) by default, due to Snake Eater 3D. It'd also be colorful and fit in nicely with the more vibrant colors of SSB4.

 

[Vidiot]

I really thought Snake would be back when he didn't show up in Playstation All stars.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Hey now there's nothing saying he's out for sure yet. Everyone assumed Ike was cut and LO and behold he came back.

 

[Geminosity]

Why must he be so close....yet so far....

While other folk have pointed out why this is identifiable as fake, the biggest clue to me was the lack of Dixie Kong ;D

I don't even know if smash NEEDS a story to be honest. We got through 64 and melee without one quite happily after all :3

 

[BassForever]

I wonder if the reason Sakurai didn't ask to include Snake is because in theory if Snake had returned you would be able to do a match with 4 different characters none of which are first party Nintendo. Yeah you could do a combination of only snake and sonic in brawl but I think that's a bit different from a match up of Snake, Pac Man, Sonic, and Mega Man which if it was no context you may not even recognize it as Smash Bros.

 

[Neiteio]

Hey now there's nothing saying he's out for sure yet. Everyone assumed Ike was cut and LO and behold he came back.

I keep saying, I can picture Snake being the last character announced, possibly in the launch trailer for the 3DS version, just so they can do the classic "Kept you waiting" line. It's perfectly in keeping with Sakurai and Kojima as trolls.

Also, imagine the PotD later that night with all four of the third-party characters lined up, and Sakurai's Miiverse comment: "The guests have all arrived!"

 

[Neiteio]

I wonder if the reason Sakurai didn't ask to include Snake is because in theory if Snake had returned you would be able to do a match with 4 different characters none of which are first party Nintendo. Yeah you could do a combination of only snake and sonic in brawl but I think that's a bit different from a match up of Snake, Pac Man, Sonic, and Mega Man which if it was no context you may not even recognize it as Smash Bros.

I've thought about that before. But of all the devs at Nintendo, Sakurai has always been best about giving us options. I don't think he'd eliminate an entire character/franchise out of fear that players will create a third-party match. Especially since Snake is a complete character who was truly unique and well-received.

 

[Vidiot]

I wonder if the reason Sakurai didn't ask to include Snake is because in theory if Snake had returned you would be able to do a match with 4 different characters none of which are first party Nintendo. Yeah you could do a combination of only snake and sonic in brawl but I think that's a bit different from a match up of Snake, Pac Man, Sonic, and Mega Man which if it was no context you may not even recognize it as Smash Bros.

I really don't think that would matter to them at all.

 

[Clefargle]

Some of the characters are in weird spots. Like Greninja.

It's definitely fake. I wasn't presenting it as real. It's his Snake Eater 3D artwork.

It just sucks how.........how fake it is.......

Fuck.

BROTHER!

 

[Neiteio]

I mean, technically you can have a four-player fight on Windmill Hills where everyone is Sonic.

 

[NMFried]

So if you guys could have any three characters and three assists in the new Smash, what would they be? I figure this could be fun.

1. Isaac
2. Professor Layton
3. Ray MK 2

1. Tetris
2. Chibi-Robo
3. Excite Trucks

 

[SaikyoBro]

I honestly don't see Sakurai turning down the idea of Snake returning, and by extension Nintendo. I think honestly if he's not back it'd be because of Kojima. That sounds silly at first since he wanted Snake in Melee and Brawl, but I don't know, maybe it's an image thing. Maybe he thought putting an older model of Snake into a Wii U game that lots of kids are gonna buy is counter-productive to what he's trying to do with Phantom Pain. It still sounds kinda silly to me but it's about the best thing I can come up with.

 

[Neiteio]

I honestly don't see Sakurai turning down the idea of Snake returning, and by extension Nintendo. I think honestly if he's not back it'd be because of Kojima. That sounds silly at first since he wanted Snake in Melee and Brawl, but I don't know, maybe it's an image thing. Maybe he thought putting an older model of Snake into a Wii U game that lots of kids are gonna buy is counter-productive to what he's trying to do with Phantom Pain. It still sounds kinda silly to me but it's about the best thing I can come up with.

My impression of Kojima is he'd want his creation to be in a game that celebrates beloved videogame characters. He got his wish with Brawl, and I'm sure he'd like to see that continue in glorious HD with SSB4 (or stereo 3D on 3DS!).

 

[BassForever]

I've thought about that before. But of all the devs at Nintendo, Sakurai has always been best about giving us options. I don't think he'd eliminate an entire character/franchise out of fear that players will create a third-party match. Especially since Snake is a complete character who was truly unique and well-received.

Well there is clearly something going on as Kojima clearly would have let Snake join the battle if Sakurai had asked. Either Konami blocked it for some reason or Namco Bandai wouldn't work on the game if Snake was in.

I really don't think that would matter to them at all.

Just throwing it out as a theory, we probably will never know why Snake was cut (assuming he is gone)

I mean, technically you can have a four-player fight on Windmill Hills where everyone is Sonic.

Yeah but I think there is a difference between a 4 player mirror match and 4 unique characters.

 

[georly]

I honestly don't see Sakurai turning down the idea of Snake returning, and by extension Nintendo. I think honestly if he's not back it'd be because of Kojima. That sounds silly at first since he wanted Snake in Melee and Brawl, but I don't know, maybe it's an image thing. Maybe he thought putting an older model of Snake into a Wii U game that lots of kids are gonna buy is counter-productive to what he's trying to do with Phantom Pain. It still sounds kinda silly to me but it's about the best thing I can come up with.

I think there's also a possibility that nintendo doesn't want him back because the Wii U was snubbed for Ground Zeroes and therefore also MGSV. There could be some politics we're not aware of.

The only reason everyone assumes he's cut is that he wasn't announced already. Like sonic, he probably should have been announced a while ago to calm everyone's fears

 

[Boss Doggie]

Thursday is usually fun with potds

 

[Neiteio]

Well there is clearly something going on as Kojima clearly would have let Snake join the battle if Sakurai had asked. Either Konami blocked it for some reason or Namco Bandai wouldn't work on the game if Snake was in.

Or perhaps Snake's in and they just haven't shown him yet.

A third-party newcomer at E3 2013.

A third-party vet in fall of '13.

A third-party newcomer at E3 2014.

A third-party vet in fall of '14.

Snake could be their trump card for a last blast of hype immediately before launch.

"Kept you waiting, huh?"

If that's what they're doing, it only works if they drag out the suspense to the last moment.

 

[Geminosity]

So if you guys could have any three characters and three assists in the new Smash, what would they be? I figure this could be fun.

1. Isaac
2. Professor Layton
3. Ray MK 2

1. Tetris
2. Chibi-Robo
3. Excite Trucks

For playables, that's a tough one...
1. Goombella
2. Midna
3. Marina Lightyears (Struggled with this last choice but Marina will likely never see the light of day ever again so she won by a hair over Inkling, Lip, Dixie and Viridi)

I don't really pay any attention to Assist Trophies though :3

 

[EastOfEden]

Did she or anyone in that game have any prior to Uprising?

Well, she was the only main female villain of a Nintendo franchise

Spoiler

before Uprising

.

...except maybe Sin and Punishment & Wario Land, but they're not so clear anymore. (And there's Mother Brain, but it's possibly a high tech machine?)

 

[Durden77]

I honestly don't see Sakurai turning down the idea of Snake returning, and by extension Nintendo. I think honestly if he's not back it'd be because of Kojima. That sounds silly at first since he wanted Snake in Melee and Brawl, but I don't know, maybe it's an image thing. Maybe he thought putting an older model of Snake into a Wii U game that lots of kids are gonna buy is counter-productive to what he's trying to do with Phantom Pain. It still sounds kinda silly to me but it's about the best thing I can come up with.

There are far more reasons for him to return than not., but that's why I want to get this Twitter thing going. I'm so sick of going in these speculation circles about Snake. It's all about his chances, and it's all the same shit.

At least this would give us something new to speculate on about Snake if we can get Kojima to respond. I'll take anything at this point. Even if he straight up says he's not in the game, at least we could stop these "he's cut here's why"/"he's not cut here's why" talks.

That's all Snake ever gets. I'd like to be talking about his updated moves, or his codecs, or MGS representation in general, or just put it to rest all to rest, but that's damn near impossible at this point with what we have.

 

[PfantzyPantz]

Ridley will be revealed as a playable character, with Snake riding him for a double newcomer reveal right before release. Believe.

 

[Vidiot]

Well there is clearly something going on as Kojima clearly would have let Snake join the battle if Sakurai had asked. Either Konami blocked it for some reason or Namco Bandai wouldn't work on the game if Snake was in.



Just throwing it out as a theory, we probably will never know why Snake was cut (assuming he is gone)



Yeah but I think there is a difference between a 4 player mirror match and 4 unique characters.

How is it much worse than if you're only playing a three player match with Megaman, Sonic, and Pacman? It's basically the same situation except without one player.

 

[Jintor]

Snake... had a hard life...

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Just listened to the recent Japan Time; fun stuff.

 

[Durden77]

Ridley will be revealed as a playable character, with Snake riding him for a double newcomer reveal right before release. Believe.

I think I would take that. Actually, I think I would happily take that.

 

[Gartooth]

If Snake isn't coming back, I doubt it would be because of business reasons. Nintendo and Sakurai were more than willing to allow Snake into Brawl despite his lack of presence on their platforms, and Konami and Kojima were willing to tone down the Metal Gear series in regards to how it was portrayed in Brawl. The only reason I could think that Sakurai/Nintendo wouldn't want Snake back is because of creative decisions in regards to the mature content of MGSV, and Nintendo not wanting their brands associated with that game. (if Snake was in the game they would be selling a toy of him after all)

 

[BassForever]

So had it not been for the RosalinaX leak that said 48 with 4 cuts would there be any reason we'd actually assume Snake was cut at this point. We have reason to assume Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Lucas were cut between the 3rd Gematsu leak and the death of transformations, but besides for that are we collectively assuming Snake is gone for any particular reason?

 

[Azure J]

That Snake fake is so good it tugs at my heartstrings.

 

[Neiteio]

Speaking of MGSV, how awesome would it be to battle to "Sins of the Father" in a Smash Bros. game?

Battling to "Calling to the Night" was one of the best experiences in Brawl.

 

[Gartooth]

So had it not been for the RosalinaX leak that said 48 with 4 cuts would there be any reason we'd actually assume Snake was cut at this point. We have reason to assume Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Lucas were cut between the 3rd Gematsu leak and the death of transformations, but besides for that are we collectively assuming Snake is gone for any particular reason?

Smash 3DS will release in September in Japan, and a 3rd party character like Snake wouldn't be casually left in as an unlockable or revealed on the website. Something like the Smash Direct or E3 would be the prime place to show him and yet he missed both. Unless he is shown in a Nintendo Direct before release (similar to Sonic) I don't see him coming back. Plus, I think the whole talk that happened during Pac-Man's reveal of "Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man all in the same game!" made Snake seem like the odd man out and was a bit ominous.

 

[SaikyoBro]

Speaking of MGSV, how awesome would it be to battle to "Sins of the Father" in a Smash Bros. game?

Battling to "Calling to the Night" was one of the best experiences in Brawl.

imagine a mgs3d stage with WHEN HEAAAVENS DIVIIIIDE

 

[Azure J]

So if you guys could have any three characters and three assists in the new Smash, what would they be? I figure this could be fun.

1. Isaac
2. Professor Layton
3. Ray MK 2

1. Tetris
2. Chibi-Robo
3. Excite Trucks

Assuming that we're only getting what the SalRomano leaks have been leading to:

- Mike Jones
- Takamaru
- Lip/Medusa/Snake

Edit: This edit just made me realize how hilarious the roster would be if Medusa and Snake were in.

- Vivian (Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door)
- Rundas (Metroid Prime 3: Corruption)
- Angry Sun (Super Mario Bros. 3)

 

[Geminosity]

So had it not been for the RosalinaX leak that said 48 with 4 cuts would there be any reason we'd actually assume Snake was cut at this point. We have reason to assume Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Lucas were cut between the 3rd Gematsu leak and the death of transformations, but besides for that are we collectively assuming Snake is gone for any particular reason?

If I had to guess, I'd assume that people are thinking there'll be issues that prevent it. Whether they're looking at the Hayter issues, the potential cost of getting mr 24 to do new voice-work or just going off Konami/Kojima's non-commital response to whether Snake is in smash or not, or just the lack of MGS games on Nintendo platforms as of late, is down to the individual.

Me? I don't really know if Snake is in or not. I don't see anything pointing any which way but I never play him anyhoo, so I don't pay the old soldier much heed :3

 

[Neiteio]

So had it not been for the RosalinaX leak that said 48 with 4 cuts would there be any reason we'd actually assume Snake was cut at this point. We have reason to assume Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Lucas were cut between the 3rd Gematsu leak and the death of transformations, but besides for that are we collectively assuming Snake is gone for any particular reason?

No real reason. We just haven't seen Snake, and GAF users tend to be more cynical/pessimistic than optimistic. Plus, there are many users who out of some OCD fixation on "purity" just don't want Snake in their Nintendo fighter, so subconsciously they contrive reasons why he should be cut.

Honestly, if Snake had been up for cuts, I think the Gematsu leaker would've mentioned it. If he found it notable that Lucas might be cut, surely he'd mention something as monumental as Snake.

 

[BassForever]

Smash 3DS will release in September in Japan, and a 3rd party character like Snake wouldn't be casually left in as an unlockable or revealed on the website. Something like the Smash Direct or E3 would be the prime place to show him and yet he missed both. Unless he is shown in a Nintendo Direct before release (similar to Sonic) I don't see him coming back.

I mean I feel us getting another Smash Direct before Smash launches in Japan is pretty likely along with an actual Nintendo direct in August/September to talk about the upcoming fall games. If they're going to reveal Snake late/last a "kept you waiting huh" trailer could work for it.

Actually the real reason is probably Konami said "if you want Snake you have to use his new VA Sutherland" and I imagine Sutherland would cost a lot more to licenses then Hayter ever did.

 

[Durden77]

That Snake fake is so good it tugs at my heartstrings.

It's actually not THAT good though upon further inspection. But on first glance, got damn...

Speaking of MGSV, how awesome would it be to battle to "Sins of the Father" in a Smash Bros. game?

Battling to "Calling to the Night" was one of the best experiences in Brawl.

Uggggghhh soo awesomeeeeeeeeee

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

This really irks me, too. Like, what the hell?! The character is even named "Pikmin & Olimar" on the official website, much like it was on the Brawl DOJO!!, too. Why change that in-game? Especially when the character keeps its full name in Japan, and, like you said, "Rosalina & Luma" keeps its full name while "Pikmin & Olimar" doesn't! It doesn't make sense, gah! That's why I didn't base my updated roster completely on the demo's character select screen, because that fact pisses me off, lol. Plus there's the whole thing with Greninja coming before Pikachu, which is driving me crazy. =P

As an Olimar main, I would've been really upset if the character's name, in game, was Pikmin & Olimar. Not only does that sound stupid, it doesn't even make sense, seeing as how the character you are controlling is Olimar and you don't even have to have any Pikmin on the field if you choose not to. If Pikmin just has to be in the name then make it Olimar & Pikmin (similar to Rosalina & Luma), but even then Olimar alone sounds way better.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I really thought Snake would be back when he didn't show up in Playstation All stars.

That's what many people assumed.

Thursday is usually fun with potds

I hope so. Friday usually is the best update most of time.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

So had it not been for the RosalinaX leak that said 48 with 4 cuts would there be any reason we'd actually assume Snake was cut at this point. We have reason to assume Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Lucas were cut between the 3rd Gematsu leak and the death of transformations, but besides for that are we collectively assuming Snake is gone for any particular reason?

The RosalinaX leaked was fake anyway. I think people see Snake being cut for several reasons. First of all hes not directly associated with Nintendo in anyway. Second look at all the other third party characters and then Snake sticks out like a sore thumb. Third of all his moves are being added to different characters such as Sheik and ZSS. I'm not saying its a guarantee but giving Sheik grenades and Snake's FS to ZSS make absolutely no sense if he wasn't cut.

 

[IntelliHeath]

So if you guys could have any three characters and three assists in the new Smash, what would they be? I figure this could be fun.

1. Isaac
2. Professor Layton
3. Ray MK 2

1. Tetris
2. Chibi-Robo
3. Excite Trucks

Including all confirmed characters, leaked newcomers, etc.

I would says

1. Takamaru
2. Isaac
3. Snake

1. Cap Syrup
2. Viridi (Reset Bomb)
3. Chibi Robo

 

[HK-47]

The RosalinaX leaked was fake anyway. I think people see Snake being cut for several reasons. First of all hes not directly associated with Nintendo in anyway. Second look at all the other third party characters and then Snake sticks out like a sore thumb. Third of all his moves are being added to different characters such as Sheik and ZSS. I'm not saying its a guarantee but giving Sheik grenades and Snake's FS to ZSS make absolutely no sense if he wasn't cut.

How so?

 

[Vidiot]

I'm not a huge Snake fan, but I also don't want any unique characters to be cut. I know if I were still waiting to hear about Sonic's return at this point my stomach would be in knots. So for every Snake fan of there I really do hope he returns.

 

[IntelliHeath]

The RosalinaX leaked was fake anyway. I think people see Snake being cut for several reasons. First of all hes not directly associated with Nintendo in anyway. Second look at all the other third party characters and then Snake sticks out like a sore thumb. Third of all his moves are being added to different characters such as Sheik and ZSS. I'm not saying its a guarantee but giving Sheik grenades and Snake's FS to ZSS make absolutely no sense if he wasn't cut.

Well, Sheik's grenade function differently tho, and Zero Suit Samus' FS is more of Ratchet from PSABR.

 

[Neiteio]

Snake was just so perfect in Brawl. He already appeals to me in many ways, namely how in MGS you can play him as a pacifist, which is how I always used him because I like the interpretation of Snake as a victim of his upbringing. So I sympathize with him, and you add in his dry humor and I can't help but love him as a character.

But then you put him in Smash and he's even better, because while he looks "realistic," the MGS universe is totally bonkers, and so Snake's totally at home in a world where gorillas wear ties and plumbers lob fireballs.

Plus, his move-set was perhaps the most clever move-set Sakurai ever came up with for a character.

 

[Gartooth]

It'd be crazy though if Konami in general got skipped for the next Smash Bros. I was sure that in the off chance that Snake didn't make it back, Konami and Sakurai would've at least worked out another character to put in the game in Snake's place. (Ex: Simon Belmont)

 

[BassForever]

The RosalinaX leaked was fake anyway. I think people see Snake being cut for several reasons. First of all hes not directly associated with Nintendo in anyway. Second look at all the other third party characters and then Snake sticks out like a sore thumb. Third of all his moves are being added to different characters such as Sheik and ZSS. I'm not saying its a guarantee but giving Sheik grenades and Snake's FS to ZSS make absolutely no sense if he wasn't cut.

It was never proven fake, it was just heavily discredited but never disconfirmed to my knowledge, if anything the fact that most people are speculating a 47 character roster with 4 cuts based upon the Gematsu leak ties in very close to rosalinax's 48 with 4 cuts.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

First of all hes not directly associated with Nintendo in anyway.

Then why was he in Brawl?

Second look at all the other third party characters and then Snake sticks out like a sore thumb.

Then why was he in Brawl?

Third of all his moves are being added to different characters such as Sheik and ZSS.

Wut?

I'm not saying its a guarantee but giving Sheik grenades and Snake's FS to ZSS make absolutely no sense if he wasn't cut.

Sheik's grenades are nothing like Snake's grenades... also since when did ZSS fire a grenade launcher hanging from a helicopter.

None of Snake's moves have been given to other characters. That argument is extremely weak.

 

[Jintor]

Yeah Smash really emphasised to me that no matter how much MGS presents itself as being serious it's really just total bullshit lolz

 

[IntelliHeath]

It was never proven fake, it was just heavily discredited but never disconfirmed to my knowledge, if anything the fact that most people are speculating a 47 character roster with 4 cuts based upon the Gematsu leak ties in very close to rosalinax's 48 with 4 cuts.

I would says more of lucky guesses if you know the whole story how he got the leaks.