Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

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Beelzebufo said:
I mean, come on man, Melee obviously plays better than Brawl. There's no accounting for taste I guess, but that's the same for cakes. It would be more like Melee is a pound cake, and Brawl is a slightly less good tasting pound cake that you for some reason like more than most people.
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Disagree. I think Brawl plays better. That is my opinion. I could say the same thing about you about no accounting for taste, but I respect your opinion more than you respect mines obviously.

There are not the same cake despite both being cakes. Melee focuses more on offensive play, while Brawl is more defensive play. I thought Melee was too offensive play, especially since I like being more on the defensive side in a fighting game, so Brawl was more in line with what I liked.

But since you want something more inline in being the same how about this. Melee is a dark chocolate cake. Brawl is a milk chocolate cake. I like milk chocolate and no one telling me that dark chocolate is better is going to make me like dark chocolate more than milk chocolate.
 
What have we even come to...

This fandom mus have been made out of some really rotten eggs and milk
Sure, there's some good stuff in there that isn't screwed up, but the end product's a mess
 
This is a cooking thread, let me tell you about my English Muffins (Smash 64)

Edit: Huh, I thought I replied to Hyperactivity's post, oh well
 
PadWarrior said:
I miss the days of friendly discussion. Now it's the same old arguments you see on Smashboards.
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Was it EVER not the same old arguments from Smashboards? I mean, the Melee vs. Brawl mechanical debate has gotten worse since the E3 Smash 4 demos, but since the beginnings of these threads it has always been a perpetual cycle of the same sorts of discussions. Ridley, Mewtwo, Melee vs. Brawl, Wavedashing, etc etc ad infinitum

Since it's on-topic, I wish Cooking Mama was a Nintendo-owned IP so that she could be in Smash. She would make an amazing character/AT/whatever else.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
Was it EVER not the same old arguments from Smashboards? I mean, the Melee vs. Brawl mechanical debate has gotten worse since the E3 Smash 4 demos, but since the beginnings of these threads it has always been a perpetual cycle of the same sorts of discussions. Ridley, Mewtwo, Melee vs. Brawl, Wavedashing, etc etc ad infinitum
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Pretty much, which is why I do not come here that often despite loving Smash to the death. I love all the Smash games and I do not want to come off hating Melee. I am just tried of people overhyping Melee as the perfect game with it very obvious flaws and downplaying Brawl as some lazy effort that only casuals love and true fans should despise.

I also do not like how people's having different opinions goes into no account for taste or just having bad taste dismissal. Me liking something you dislike does not mean I have bad taste, it means I have different tastes than you.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
Was it EVER not the same old arguments from Smashboards? I mean, the Melee vs. Brawl mechanical debate has gotten worse since the E3 Smash 4 demos, but since the beginnings of these threads it has always been a perpetual cycle of the same sorts of discussions. Ridley, Mewtwo, Melee vs. Brawl, Wavedashing, etc etc ad infinitum

Since it's on-topic, I wish Cooking Mama was a Nintendo-owned IP so that she could be in Smash. She would make an amazing character/AT/whatever else.
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She would be too top tier.

Cooking Mama 5 is intriguing though.
 
Karsticles said:
Some people like to eat plastic, bleach, and baby diapers. There is no accounting for bad taste.
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Slowly looks down, and back up

Shiiit

That's offensive dude. Right there, that's offensive. Bleach and baby diapers can make you ill or even kill. Plastic does shit all

And you played your first FE on Lunatic Classic mode, there's no proof that you're full sane
 
Hyperactivity said:
Slowly looks down, and back up

Shiiit

That's offensive dude. Right there, that's offensive. Bleach and baby diapers can make you ill or even kill. Plastic does shit all

And you played your first FE on Lunatic Classic mode, there's no proof that you're full sane
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Wait, you eat plastic? That's not good for you man. Even the baby diapers could be better for you depending on what they're made of lol (hopefully not plastic). Plastic is toxic and can't be digested.
 
mrhej said:
Look there's always going to be people who loved Brawl more than Melee and vice versa. It's just a preference.
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Yeah, which is sad since, mechanically, Smash 64 is still the best Smash.

HeroR said:
What is really sad is that I really loved Melee, one of my favorite Gamecube games, put in easily over one-hundred hours. But now, I almost despise the game because of people promoting it to sainthood. It is not perfect and in my opinion Brawl fixed a lot of the issues I had with Melee. I know this is all just my opinion and I am a casual player, but stopped making me hate Melee by making it something it isn't. Zelda's fans already did that with me and OOT.
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This is true. Even the makers of Project M recognized that Brawl did some things right, so they didn't change everything back to the way Melee did it.
 
Cake analogies? OK I got this.

Smash 64 was a kid's cake. Just starting out, it was a bit messy, but tons of fun to make and eat. It wasn't highly complicated, and was just about having fun and eating cake.

Melee was a teenager's cake. He totally knows what he's doing, mom, but has no idea what to set the oven to. It wasn't quite perfect because he rushed to make it, and left some things in that not everyone could taste. It was pretty good cake, but his close friends started praising it and talking about it for years after as the best cake ever while others who tasted it moved on and tried other cakes.

Brawl was a 20 year old's cake who hadn't made cake in awhile. He sort of remembered how to do it, but thought he should add some stuff in that he shouldn't have and got tripped up on some of the ingredients. It was pretty good cake, but every so often you'd get a bad taste in your mouth.

Boom. Done.
 
Beelzebufo said:
I mean, come on man, Melee obviously plays better than Brawl.
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I'm not a fan of your using an objective tone in a subjective matter. Melee and Brawl are different, and which game plays better all depends on what each individual person likes.

Before I even payed attention to the technicality of a game and played it just to play it, Brawl felt better to play. Even though I liked playing Brawl more, I didn't really know why, I didn't think about it, it just simply felt better.

This is just my experience, I'm sure everyone else has a different point of view, but the point is that Melee doesn't "obviously" play better than Brawl, if it did then everyone would feel that way.

The only time you can say something like that is when you're comparing a game like E.T. to Super Mario Galaxy. There is nobody on the earth who is going to argue that E.T. plays better. Galaxy objectively plays better than E.T.
 
JB-the-Hunter said:
I'm not a fan of your using an objective tone in a subjective matter. Melee and Brawl are different, and which game plays better all depends on what each individual person likes.

Before I even payed attention to the technicality of a game and played it just to play it, Brawl felt better to play. Even though I liked playing Brawl more, I didn't really know why, I didn't think about it, it just simply felt better.

This is just my experience, I'm sure everyone else has a different point of view, but the point is that Melee doesn't "obviously" play better than Brawl, if it did then everyone would feel that way.

The only time you can say something like that is when you're comparing a game like E.T. to Super Mario Galaxy. There is nobody on the earth who is going to argue that E.T. plays better. Galaxy objectively plays better than E.T.
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What if ET had wavedashing? Lol
 
JB-the-Hunter said:
I'm not a fan of your using an objective tone in a subjective matter. Melee and Brawl are different, and which game plays better all depends on what each individual person likes.

Before I even payed attention to the technicality of a game and played it just to play it, Brawl felt better to play. Even though I liked playing Brawl more, I didn't really know why, I didn't think about it, it just simply felt better.

This is just my experience, I'm sure everyone else has a different point of view, but the point is that Melee doesn't "obviously" play better than Brawl, if it did then everyone would feel that way.

The only time you can say something like that is when you're comparing a game like E.T. to Super Mario Galaxy. There is nobody on the earth who is going to argue that E.T. plays better. Galaxy objectively plays better than E.T.
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They're games in the same series, and come right after the other. The comparison is fair. Melee is objectively better as it has more options, and doesn't have tripping. It's pretty black and white.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't like Brawl better, there's probably a very good reason you feel that way. Maybe you stayed up every night to see the dojo update and feel nostalgia. Maybe you played Brawl with your friends all the time. Maybe your grandma bought you the copy of Brawl. Like I said, no accounting for taste.
 
Beelzebufo said:
They're games in the same series, and come right after the other. The comparison is fair. Melee is objectively better as it has more options, and doesn't have tripping. It's pretty black and white.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't like Brawl better, there's probably a very good reason you feel that way. Maybe you stayed up every night to see the dojo update and feel nostalgia. Maybe you played Brawl with your friends all the time. Maybe your grandma bought you the copy of Brawl. Like I said, no accounting for taste.
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Please stop.

Your opinions are not fact.
 
Beelzebufo said:
They're games in the same series, and come right after the other. The comparison is fair. Melee is objectively better as it has more options, and doesn't have tripping. It's pretty black and white.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't like Brawl better, there's probably a very good reason you feel that way. Maybe you stayed up every night to see the dojo update and feel nostalgia. Maybe you played Brawl with your friends all the time. Maybe your grandma bought you the copy of Brawl. Like I said, no accounting for taste.
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Wooooow
 
Benzychenz said:
Please stop.

You're opinions are not fact.
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Right... But the facts I posted are. I'd like to see you explain how "Brawl has tripping" is an opinion. Like I said, the opinions can change for each person, there's no accounting for taste.

I don't know why I even bother to post when people apparently don't bother reading.
 
Beelzebufo said:
Wait, you eat plastic? That's not good for you man.
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Benzychenz said:
What?
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PRe-posting EDIT:YEah, I actually think it would be better if I don't elaborate too much. I'll just say it's a habitual thing, I don't do it as much anymore, doesn't actually taste that bad, nice texture actually, and finally, it's similar to how some people, when bored cor having nothing to do, eat. I feel like chewing or eating something, and I'll reiterate, I don't do it as much

Oh, because I'm closely related to a gastroenterologist, I've heard enough stories for some time about plastic and peoplem choking on stuff

Also, 90% of the time I don't swallow the plastic

And that's as far as I'm going

Like please, let's try not carrying this past two pages guys
 
Beelzebufo said:
Melee is objectively better as it has more options, and doesn't have tripping. It's pretty black and white.
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Brawl is objectively better as it has waaaaaaay more options, more game modes, more characters (and character diversity), more stages, better graphics, more music (inlcuding music from Melee and 64), it stays more true to the source material (More accurate voices, models, sounds effects, etc.)... and it doesn't have Pichu. It's pretty black and white.

If you couldn't tell I'm being sarcastic. Neither game is objectively better.
Beelzebufo said:
I'd like to see you explain how "Brawl has tripping" is an opinion.
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That's not an opinion, what is an opinion is that tripping makes Brawl an inferior game. Tripping is only one aspect and to most people who own Brawl it's not even a big deal.
 
HeroR said:
I find this ironic. I remembered during the time of the Dojo about how fans worried about Brawl being a Melee 2.0. People back then had no problem listing all the flaws Melee had, even compared to the original Smash, and why they did not want another Melee with a bigger roster and online. They say it would be lazy and selling out.

Brawl comes and now people complained about why Brawl wasn't Melee 2.0. Well, you can't please everyone. *shrug*
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Hahaha, it almost seems like a Zelda cycle when you put it that way.

That said, I'm not part of either of the groups you describe. Melee is easily Top 5 Of All Time material for me, for reasons far removed from how competitive the game could be. My complaints about Brawl don't stem from it not being a shinier and bigger Melee. I believe the game had a colossal amount of effort put into it (the more I read on Sakurai and his work habits the more I respect how much life the man pours into each game), it's simply that I believe such energy was marred by questionable design philosophies, that deprive Brawl from the cohesiveness and overall polish that Melee had. The game lost the forest for the trees.

Which is not to say that I don't also enjoy it tremendously. Brawl is still a helluva release that I still play with my buds from time to time; only titles built to last can bring so many years of replayability. That Brawl didn't reach Melee's heights (again, to me) doesn't mean I can't appreciate its many virtues.
 
JB-the-Hunter said:
Brawl is objectively better as it has waaaaaaay more options, more game modes, more characters (and character diversity), more stages, better graphics, more music (inlcuding music from Melee and 64), it stays more true to the source material (More accurate voices, models, sounds effects, etc.)... and it doesn't have Pichu. It's pretty black and white.

If you couldn't tell I'm being sarcastic. Neither game is objectively better.
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We're not talking about game modes, stages, graphics, or any of those things. I completely agree with you by the way. We were talking about gameplay (like actual in-game fighting). Brawl has the better features, Melee has the objectively better gameplay. This is exactly what I said like five posts ago lol.

Also, you should probably stop that plastic thing. That could get you killed if you don't.

Wreck-It Ralph said:
"My opinion is objectively fact, although you may subjectively disagree with it."

what
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"I'm calling facts opinions because I don't like what this user is posting."
Huh?
 
Beelzebufo said:
Right... But the facts I posted are. Like I said, the opinions can change for each person, there's no accounting for taste.

I don't know why I even bother to post when people apparently don't bother reading.
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Note: I really don't want to get banned, so someone let me know if I'm posting anything out of line as I jump into this argument.

Anyway.

You can't say "Melee is objectively better than Brawl," and just have that be fact. That's such a vague statement and you can't say which is better because everyone is looking for something different from Smash. You say it has more options, but...what does that even mean? Movement options? Yeah, you could maybe argue that, but just "options"? Let me know if I missed something. I'm honestly asking, not trying to come off sarcastic or as a dick.

EDIT: NM, you clarified in a following post. Will follow up in a new post.

EDIT 2: Actually, I'll just opt out. Other people are jumping in for me.
 
Cartoon Network: Punch Time Explosion is objectively better than Melee because I say so and I'm objectively better at having objective opinions than you horrible subjective people.
 
I'm sorry but when you effectively call people who disagree with you "shit-eaters" or post in such an obviously condescending manner you've crossed a line :/ This is like debate 101 of stuff you straight up don't do for fucks sake >_<

This thread is currently unreadable, I'm going to go try to get me some of that Shovel Knight.
 
Crocodile said:
I'm sorry but when you effectively call people who disagree with you "shit-eaters" or post in such an obviously condescending manner you've crossed a line :/ This is like debate 101 of stuff you straight up don't do for fucks sake >_<

This thread is currently unreadable, I'm going to go try to get me some of that Shovel Knight.
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Shovel Knight for next Smash.
 
OricWindstar said:
Note: I really don't want to get banned, so someone let me know if I'm posting anything out of line as I jump into this argument.

Anyway.

You can't say "Melee is objectively better than Brawl," and just have that be fact. That's such a vague statement and you can't say which is better because everyone is looking for something different from Smash. You say it has more options, but...what does that even mean? Movement options? Yeah, you could maybe argue that, but just "options"? Let me know if I missed something. I'm honestly asking, not trying to come off sarcastic or as a dick.
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I didn't just say that though, I gave reasons for why it is. And yes, movement options, attack options, different ways to play the game. I'm sorry I didn't make it abundantly clear. Does that really change anything?
 
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