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[PadWarrior]

Falcon to be shown during EVO!

Hmm maybe him and meta knight?

That's why I did amazon, so it's easy to cancel if they announce multiple colors. I have a feeling they won't, though.

I still have working wavebirds but they won't last forever. I also like the rumble on the normal ones. I have no working non-wavebirds, though.

I forgot all about the rumble feature. I've been using my gc controller with a mayflash adapter on wii u.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Falcon to be shown during EVO!

I don't think that's gonna happen haha. I doubt we'll get any characters at EVO. Plus, if there are secret characters (that won't be revealed before release), Falcon's one of them.

 

[Geminosity]

How many gamecube controllers is everyone buying? I got a black one coming today and have the white one at home. I plan on getting 2 smash edition gc controllers.

I've still got 2 from my GC days so I might pick up 2 more just in case.
I'm not fussed about the controllers myself, I'm more than happy to use Pro, but I suspect some of the old skool smashers will demand GC pads when they play

 

[PadWarrior]

I've still got 2 from my GC days so I might pick up 2 more just in case.
I'm not fussed about the controllers myself, I'm more than happy to use Pro, but I suspect some of the old skool smashers will demand GC pads when they play

Yeah when I have family visit they are used to gc pads. That's the other reason I'm sticking up.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Falco tonight?

I mean, he has to, unless the "leaker" is a big fat liar.

 

[Beelzebufo]

I mean, he has to, unless the "leaker" is a big fat liar.

What if Nintendo saw the leak and changed reveal plans just to discredit the leaker #TeamReal

 

[GamerJM]

I have three first-party wired Gamecube controllers, four Wavebirds, and two third-party controllers. I'm buying the new one, but out of those the only one that truly works well is one of the wired controllers since that's a white Cube controller that I bought earlier this year when they were like 20$ on Amazon. All of the others have sticky buttons or control sticks that are permanently slightly tilted in a direction or something.

 

[Professor Beef]

Can I have brownies instead? I don't like cake.

cakes for some
brownies for the rest

He's already president of SonicGAF.

I'm not sure you realize what you're asking for. The streets will run red with blood! (...from everyone's ears as he posts "Nocturne" for the hundredth time)

Well if you're gonna ASK for it.

He's the president of AceAttorneyGAF as well (well, he made the community thread lol) and I love it there.

Except he didn't update the OP to include the iOS ports, AA5, and AATrilogy for the 3DS. Get on to it Beef.

Hey man, I have a job. I can't just update anything whenever I want. Especially nowadays when I work 5 days a week.

 

[Tripon]

Falco is dead. We are getting Slippy for maximum Sakurai trolling.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Falco is dead. We are getting Slippy for maximum Sakurai trolling.

Speaking of which, that better actually be coming to Project M

 

[Son Of D]

How many gamecube controllers is everyone buying? I got a black one coming today and have the white one at home. I plan on getting 2 smash edition gc controllers.

Probably just one. I already have 1, as well as a Pro Controller, Wii Classic Pro and the Gamepad I'll have 5 controllers in total in case there is a mode with 4 fighters and a Gamepad user.

 

[Rynocirator]

How many gamecube controllers is everyone buying? I got a black one coming today and have the white one at home. I plan on getting 2 smash edition gc controllers.

Just the 1 that comes with the bundle

 

[Durden77]

Was that Sonic Chronicles game really that bad? It seemed like such a cool idea, and wasn't it Bioware?

 

[Professor Beef]

Was that Sonic Chronicles game really that bad? It seemed like such a cool idea, and wasn't it Bioware?

The writing was the only good thing about it. They actually made Big the Cat one of the best characters because of it.

 

["D"]

Yo Heath, we're gonna need an Amiibo Tournament thread once this game drops. SaltyBets ain't gonna wanna miss that

 

[Tripon]

Got a bunch of GC controllers between me and the roommates. I'm buying athe adapter and a new smash GC because some of them are.... Not in the greatest condition. >_>

 

[emb]

Amiibo tournaments could be really fun actually. Especially if it's like... you+your Amiibo, vs opponent and her/his Amiibo on teams.

I've actually had fun just setting up level 9s to battle. I'd pick one, friend would pick them other, and we'd watch them and cheer them on. Not entertaining for long, but a neat diversion.

 

[Dimitri LH]

.....I think snake would be perfect to reveal at EVO. Along with a newcomer. <.<

And ive been onboard with amiibo tournaments since day one! Heck Amiibo vs Amiibo would be salty bets all over again!

 

[Beelzebufo]

.....I think snake would be perfect to reveal at EVO. Along with a newcomer. <.<

And ive been onboard with amiibo tournaments since day one! Heck Amiibo vs Amiibo would be salty bets all over again!

I think that's a bit much, Smash isn't even one of the biggest events at EVO, revealing even a veteran is a little extreme.

Anyway, do we know if Amiibos work online?

 

[Weltall Zero]

More movement options means that there are more things a player can do at any time and increase the amount of clever predictions or reads that an opponent needs to make to be able to beat the other player, this makes the game a more interesting game to play at a competitive level because it's more engaging and it makes it more engaging for the spectators because it makes matches more dynamic, thus allowing things to happen that you might not have seen before due to all the possible interactions in the game.

So yes, giving a player more options in a fighting game does make the game fundamentally better and I'm surprised that so many fucking people try to argue against this.

Behold the best game of all time, then:

Seriously, if you believe more options always equal better, you're wrong. More options = more complexity. Your mistake is assuming complexity equals depth, which is not the case. Sometimes complexity adds depth, other times it's the opposite. That's like game design 101, by the way; if you find that thought new, it's obvious you're much less versed in game design than you think.

Because melee was a brilliant game for competitive play and casual play whereas brawl went in the direction of alienating one audience for the game, this pissed off the competitive audience for smash but because it increased the amount of things that casuals would appreciate they started to look down on competitive players for not enjoying what we've been given without fully understanding (or caring, honestly) what the competitive audience wants.

I'm just going to flat out state that casuals don't give a fuck about how the game plays as long as they have shiny things to look at, it's why whenever you mention stuff about making smash 4 more competitive you're guaranteed to get replies of "stop trying to make it more like melee", despite changes making it better for all levels of play.

The vocal anti-competitive fanbase have become somewhat entitled due to brawl and sakurai's general attitude, thinking that the game should be for them only and that smash is supposed to be as anti-competitive as possible.

I really don't mind smash at a casual level, but I really wish that audience would stop trying to butt into conversations about mechanics that they don't understand, especially when it doesn't affect their enjoyment of the game whatsoever.

I personally don't have any issue with wanting SSB4 be more like Melee (quite the opposite).
I do have issues with the following, though:
1) Stating something is better "because I say so", i.e. mistaking the conclusion for the premise ("more options mean a better game").
2) Painting all those who like Brawl better, or in more general terms, disagree with you, automatically as casuals, and from them, automatically as people who have no clue what they're talking about and whose opinion doesn't count.
3) Mistaking complexity for depth.
4) The use of "entitled" as a meaningless epithet to paint vocal opponents in a negative light, when the user of the term is usually even more vocal and demanding.
5) When logic fails, swear a lot.

If you wonder why you and others like you invariably alienate people rather than convince them, start with these.

They're strong words because I love the smash series, I truly do, I love it so much that I have a very hard time articulating my thoughts about the community and what it means as a whole that I'm just going to jot down thoughts instead of trying to construct some long paragraph.

Smash is unique in that it's a fighting game with an incredibly low input barrier compared to other fighting games but also has a deceptive amount of possible depth to the game.

It's the type of game that I'm still playing for several hours a day just because I still have so much to learn and get good at, I want smash 4 to have that same amount of playability rather than being something I only play a few times a week everytime a group of friends come round.

I want it to be competitive because I want it to grow. I want everybody to be able to have a local tournament scene because the game is accessible and anyone can play it. I want people to watch it on MLG or EVO streams with the top players in the world playing it and see things that they didn't think were possible and get excited about the game. Then they can go and try these things out with their friends without being put off by hard controls.

I want all this because EVO 2013 gave me a taste of how big smash can truly be, I want more people to go to tournaments so I can make more friends and hang out playing a game we all love.

So far so good. However:

And hearing certain people, with their stupid opinions that aren't based on any facts and their condescending, dismissive tone telling me that the game doesn't need to be competitive, or that the game is worse when it's competitive, actively wanting the game to be less than what it could be breaks my fucking heart because I truly don't understand how they could say things like that and want or believe them.

This is where you lump everyone together and insult them. Not just the people that you describe (those mythical strawmen that actively want the game to be less competitive; ones that, for one, I've never met, and certainly not in this thread). How convenient for you to provide such an obviously wrong opponent to justify your anger.

And yes, smash 4 probably will be competitive either way and have a following just like Brawl did, but Brawl wasn't a good competitive game, it didn't grow the scene and it wasn't exciting to play or watch. I'm fine with people enjoying it because I also enjoyed it at first, but I hate it more than any game from the last generation for what it did to the smash bros. community.

There's literally nowhere on the internet that I consider a totally positive place to talk about smash anymore, and I put the blame almost entirely on brawl.

I put the blame entirely on people like you. Using terms like "their stupid opinions" is exactly the sort of unacceptable behaviour that poisons the entire discussion. But feel free to keep seeing the mote in everyone else's eye, I don't expect you to give one second's thought to anything I've written.

 

[Tripon]

I think that's a bit much, Smash isn't even one of the biggest events at EVO, revealing even a veteran is a little extreme.

Anyway, do we know if Amiibos work online?

Melee got over 120,000 viewers during the finals and placed 2nd behind Marvel last year.

There is a reason why Evo was willing to hold a spot for Melee this year. I think this year already had over a 1000 entries.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Anyway, do we know if Amiibos work online?

Dunno. I think we only know basic stuff about them and only a function during local play. Unsure if a drop in Amiibo character can be used in a online battle.

 

["D"]

Amiibo tournaments could be really fun actually. Especially if it's like... you+your Amiibo, vs opponent and her/his Amiibo on teams.

I've actually had fun just setting up level 9s to battle. I'd pick one, friend would pick them other, and we'd watch them and cheer them on. Not entertaining for long, but a neat diversion.

I think it would be pretty fun, if the Amiibo CPUs actually function as they are intended. If they really do pick up on human A.I then it could actually be a entertaining spectacle, similar to say..watching a boxing match or UFC or something. The high level skill will be there due to their "training" but there's that random element of knowing that a matchup that can go either way due to it being out of the hands of any human interference other than learned tactics could be exciting.

 

[Tripon]

Amiibos and their AI remind me a lot of how MS talked about Driveatars for Forza. The consensus was that the driveatars were just assholes.

So I guess Amiibo AI are going to assholish too.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Hmm maybe him and meta knight?

Falcon would be enough.

Spoiler

Maybe even Ganondorf with his new moveset. ;3

I don't think that's gonna happen haha. I doubt we'll get any characters at EVO. Plus, if there are secret characters (that won't be revealed before release), Falcon's one of them.

Well I meant more of a character getting revealed during EVO through the PoTD. Plus i'm sure there will be no secret characters, everything will eventually be shown.

I mean, he has to, unless the "leaker" is a big fat liar.

We will see! Either way, not looking forward to if he has a new voice actor.

Falco is dead. We are getting Slippy for maximum Sakurai trolling.

Tripon pls

 

[Beelzebufo]

Melee got over 120,000 viewers during the finals and placed 2nd behind Marvel last year.

There is a reason why Evo was willing to hold a spot for Melee this year. I think this year already had over a 1000 entries.

I can't imagine I'll place that high again. That most likely had to do with the fact that it was the first year at EVO in a while, and the controversy surrounding it. And it still lost to Marvel.

 

[Neoxon]

Falcon would be enough.

Spoiler

Maybe even Ganondorf with his new moveset. ;3

Well I meant more of a character getting revealed during EVO through the PoTD. Plus i'm sure there will be no secret characters, everything will eventually be shown.



We will see! Either way, not looking forward to if he has a new voice actor.



Tripon pls

He'll probably get his SF64 voice actor like Fox did.

 

[Tripon]

I can't imagine I'll place that high again. That most likely had to do with the fact that it was the first year at EVO in a while, and the controversy surrounding it. And it still lost to Marvel.

Marvel was the most popular fighting game last year. It taken quite a hit this year with Capcom having to pull the VS series from PSN and XBox Live and losing the Marvel license.

 

[emb]

I can't imagine I'll place that high again. That most likely had to do with the fact that it was the first year at EVO in a while, and the controversy surrounding it. And it still lost to Marvel.

There was a lot of zeal around it last year, since there was so much put into making it there. I think the appearance there last year though (along with the documentary) has grown the community a lot. Our locals have been doubled in size since then, at least. And Melee already has more entrants this year than it did last year. I think it can hold the spot. But yeah, you never know.

 

[Green Mamba]

He'll probably get his SF64 voice actor like Fox did.

Falco actually had a new voice actor in SF643D because they couldn't get the original, so probably that one.

 

[Troubled Bat]

He'll probably get his SF64 voice actor like Fox did.

I thought it was SF64 3D. And they were different voice actors.

 

[Green Mamba]

I thought it was SF64 3D. And they were different voice actors.

Fox's voice in SF643D is actually the same voice actor as it was in the original. Around half the voices in 643D are the original, the other half new.

 

[Xamdou]

Is there online play for smash?

 

[DaBoss]

Hey man, I have a job. I can't just update anything whenever I want. Especially nowadays when I work 5 days a week.

I was just teasing you.

You can do it whenever you're free.

 

[HeroR]

Behold the best game of all time, then:


Seriously, if you believe more options always equal better, you're wrong. More options = more complexity. Your mistake is assuming complexity equals depth, which is not the case. Sometimes complexity adds depth, other times it's the opposite. That's like game design 101, by the way; if you find that thought new, it's obvious you're much less versed in game design than you think.



I personally don't have any issue with wanting SSB4 be more like Melee (quite the opposite).
I do have issues with the following, though:
1) Stating something is better "because I say so", i.e. mistaking the conclusion for the premise ("more options mean a better game").
2) Painting all those who like Brawl better, or in more general terms, disagree with you, automatically as casuals, and from them, automatically as people who have no clue what they're talking about and whose opinion doesn't count.
3) Mistaking complexity for depth.
4) The use of "entitled" as a meaningless epithet to paint vocal opponents in a negative light, when the user of the term is usually even more vocal and demanding.
5) When logic fails, swear a lot.

If you wonder why you and others like you invariably alienate people rather than convince them, start with these.



So far so good. However:



I put the blame entirely on people like you. Using terms like "their stupid opinions" is exactly the sort of unacceptable behaviour that poisons the entire discussion. But feel free to keep seeing the mote in everyone else's eye, I don't expect you to give one second's thought to anything I've written.

Holy crap, is that game real?

Also, agree. As someone who wants to get into the gaming industry the rule of thumb is to keep things simple and build from there. Being complex and given too many options can easily get out of control.

Although I promise to say nothing more about the Brawl vs. Melee, I will say you are right. It is the kind of attitude that JoeInky displayed here that makes what could be an interesting and civil debate into such a mess with people picking sides.

 

[Professor Beef]

Is there online play for smash?

Yeah, first time in the series for this new one!

 

[InsuRn]

Spoiler

Maybe even Ganondorf with his new moveset. ;3

I still believe ! He's my main in Melee and Brawl.

 

[HeroR]

Is there online play for smash?

Yes. There are two modes 'For Fun' where you fight with all the items on and 'For Glory' which you fight with no items and Final Destination like stages.

 

[HeroR]

Yeah, first time in the series for this new one!

I am not sure if you are joking, but Brawl had online. It wasn't very good, but it still had. Maybe you should say first time it may actually work.

 

[GamerJM]

Yeah, first time in the series for this new one!

:lol:

 

[Xamdou]

Yes. There are two modes 'For Fun' where you fight with all the items on and 'For Glory' which you fight with no items and Final Destination like stages.

Awesome! Also is there tournament mode or online stats tracker or leader boards?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Yeah, first time in the series for this new one!

Brawl had online play

 

[justchris]

I think that's a bit much, Smash isn't even one of the biggest events at EVO, revealing even a veteran is a little extreme.

Anyway, do we know if Amiibos work online?

Isn't that the point though? What better way to turn Smash into a big event going forward than to go all out.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Fox's voice in SF643D is actually the same voice actor as it was in the original. Around half the voices in 643D are the original, the other half new.

Really? Because it really didn't sound like it to me. Besides I need my Falco with the accent!

I still believe ! He's my main in Melee and Brawl.

All in due time, InsuRn, all in due time.

 

[SliceSabre]

Isn't that the point though? What better way to turn Smash into a big event going forward than to go all out.

Somehow I think we would have heard something by now.

Not to mention EVO completely shuns Brawl for Melee.

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

God, I hope that GameFAQs post is legit and we get Falco tonight only so we can all come back together and be universally happy about something Smash 4-related instead of continuing this horrible, asinine, irrelevant Brawl vs. Melee debate.

I know it's almost certainly not going to happen, but if there was ever a time when a new veteran reveal was needed for this thread, it's now.

 

[justchris]

Awesome! Also is there tournament mode or online stats tracker or leader boards?

For Fun and For Glory modes are for online play with strangers. Online play with friends you can set whatever rules you want. We don't know about tournament mode(s) yet. Wins are tracked in For Fun, wins and losses take in For Glory. There are no multiplayer leader boards, only Global Smash Power, which tracks various things from single player, but there is some matchmaking online based on skill. We don't know what else the game tracks, but if previous games are any indication, your copy will basically track everything you do in game ever.

 

[Beelzebufo]

God, I hope that GameFAQs post is legit and we get Falco tonight only so we can all come back together and be universally happy about something Smash 4-related instead of continuing this horrible, asinine, irrelevant Brawl vs. Melee debate.

I know it's almost certainly not going to happen, but if there was ever a time when a new veteran reveal was needed for this thread, it's now.

"Wow, Falco's back! Hopefully he's not a clone"

"It doesn't matter, he won't live up to the Falco we all know and love, especially since aerials are even worse in Smash 4 than they were in Brawl"

And we're back where we started.

 

[InsuRn]

God, I hope that GameFAQs post is legit and we get Falco tonight only so we can all come back together and be universally happy about something Smash 4-related instead of continuing this horrible, asinine, irrelevant Brawl vs. Melee debate.

I know it's almost certainly not going to happen, but if there was ever a time when a new veteran reveal was needed for this thread, it's now.

I didn't followed the news but: why would a character be revealed tonight ? Any special event happening ?

 

[Beelzebufo]

I didn't followed the news but: why would a character be revealed tonight ? Any special event happening ?

A random newly registered poster on GameFAQs said he knew a guy that knows a guy that knows Lucas was cut, K. Rool is a boss, Mewtwo's back, and Falco would be revealed this week.