Kim Kardashian's night out RUINED by attendant in BLACKFACE :biblio:
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Necromanti
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Arabs may not have blackface in their histories (as far as I know), but it's not exactly free from explicit racism or links to slavery. I mean, my mom's friend's family was originally owned as slaves by a sheikh (from a now-GCC country), ancestrally, and they are still expected to carry out whatever tasks that sheikh's family gives them and pretty much be at their beck and call as "friends of the family".
Of course Dutch people wouldn't find Zwarte Piet racist as it's been a tradition in their country for years.
It's clearly blackface though, the character is based off moors, blackface was a thing before Zwarte Piet existed and there are descriptions of him as a 'frizzy haired negro'.
It's clearly blackface though, the character is based off moors, blackface was a thing before Zwarte Piet existed and there are descriptions of him as a 'frizzy haired negro'.
And_Gignac
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US citizens trying to apply and push their cultural context to another countries is always amusing. Dat imperialist way of thinking.
Broder Salsa
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Depends on what you mean by it, painting your face black? No. Seeing it as a racist thing? It is now, however not that long ago it wasn't necessarily seen as racist, probably because of American influence, you gotta be more a little thick to not know what kind of message that sends especially to Americans these days. We might make fun of Americans but we do love all your entertainment.
Hey, now, I am American and wrote this before. you. Try not to write posts that apply a way of doing anything to all Americans, dude.
Everything in a Kardashians life is scripted right down to having Mom direct the sex tapes
block tower
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so do black people in the Netherlands dress up as a zwarte piet too during the holiday?
And_Gignac
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I never said or implied that such behavior applies to all Americans.
I don't understand, even if your not american why wouldn't you find it offensive.
If you paint yourself black to mock the race, then yeah it's offensive.
I don't mind when people are painted completely black for artistic reasons, such as in the sony psp ad or like yolandi in the die antwoord music videos, but in situations like this, yea it's offensive.
Booty Patrol
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niece, the guy in blackface approached her, an American who is married to a black man.
Yuropeans always doing the most with black people. Dat colonial way of thinking.
Dat imperialist way of of thinking. Dah
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Assholes piss me off. The Kardashians piss me off. That video had both.
What a great use of my time?
What a great use of my time?
Crumpet Trumpet
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im going to die
plasmawave
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You know you fucked up big time when even Kim Kardashian calls you out.
I feel like I understand what he was saying but the PSP ad is such a bad example since the quote for it and the image combined come off super racist.
How do you know?
Liamario
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Can someone explain to me how painting yourself to look black is racist. Serious question. I understand in the past performers did this and were clearly being racist-
I'm not saying what he did was ok, but was it actually racist.
Observation.
bobbychalkers
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_and_White_Minstrel_Show
This existed in the UK until the late 70s, Minstrel troupes toured Europe as well.
Yea the quote should of been omitted, didn't see the ad in years, forgot it said that.
There's also a picture of the girl in black grabbing the girl in white I believe.
White man guilt from having black slaves. Thank god we weren't as much in slaves as them.
Vicetrailia
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Blackface is incredibly offensive, it ain't cute. Its dehumanizing people are tired of being subjected to it.
On the other hand the Kardashians script everything: ready-made facial expressions and historical awareness all prepped and ready to drive ratings and cashflows.
On the other hand the Kardashians script everything: ready-made facial expressions and historical awareness all prepped and ready to drive ratings and cashflows.
Liamario
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Europe is not a country. That's a bit of stereotyping there buddy, which incidentally could be described as being linked to racism.
Booty Patrol
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is this real life
Doesn't change what I said.
NEOPARADIGM
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Perfect.
That's what I thought.
The Dutch don't do it to mock black people.
You're reaching
Gentle Rodriguez
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Gonna have to do better than that
You paint yourself black to play a role, not to mock a race. It's fucking stage makeup, there's no inherent racist context. What else are you supposed to do if you have a black character but no black actor to play the part?
To be fair, he left out the part that he is Australian. lol
block tower
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Can someone explain to me how painting yourself to look black is racist. Serious question. I understand in the past performers did this and were clearly being racist-. In this instance I'm not so sure. Was his intent to cause offence or to insult black people?
I'm not saying what he did was ok, but was it actually racist.
yes it was racist. what is hard to understand about it being racist? it's an image mocking a another group of people's physical features by exaggerating the features into a cartoonish image. when it was done in film/tv, the actors added portrayed these characters like they were complete invalids and buffoons. even contextually independent of America's past that image would still be racist, it's the intent. this idea that only conext makes something racist is ridiculous, its the intent.
Liamario
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No I'm not. You're stereotyping.
Too bad it's true, you guys subjected black people to being slaves. Now you have guilt and rightly so. Same reasons Germans won't laugh about Nazi jokes.
And_Gignac
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Oh I wasn't addressing the scripted mess that the Kardashians is. More like a general comment on how some people were acting as if a cultural tradition in the Netherlands could be judged with the same severity that you would judge it in the US.
The history and context are completely different. I don't think Zwarte Piet has a racist connotation, unlike black face in the US which is certainly an expression of ignorance and racial insensitivity.
I never said all Americans adhere to such way of thinking.
Booty Patrol
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Why do you think this would be?
Liamario
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By THIS instance, I was referring to the guy at the opera, not the picture.
Other way around, white girl grabbing black girl by her jaw.
But yeah it was a very poorly chosen ad.
So, you mean what most people shouldn't be doing?
Tell us.
block tower
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are you trolling right now?
Exactly. Still I think you thinking about something different. Hint: No cotton farms in the Netherlands.
Can someone explain to me how painting yourself to look black is racist. Serious question. I understand in the past performers did this and were clearly being racist-. In this instance I'm not so sure. Was his intent to cause offence or to insult black people?
I'm not saying what he did was ok, but was it actually racist.
The connotation is so similar that it's not worth risking for the sake of humor. It's not even funny. Oh, look, that white guy is painted brown and yelling that he's Kanye. How clever. He's clearly a brilliant comedian.
Ignorance isn't an excuse to derogate something that is clearly poking funny at the color of someone's skin.
block tower
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oh with that sound reasoning im at ease, glad to know someone can't be racist in another country because they don't have cotton farms. lmao.
Because outside of France, we hardly have any black people in Europe. Mainly because we didn't import any as slaves.
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