TheLaughingStock
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Can you stop throwing stones from your glass house please? ; P
Kim Kardashian's night out RUINED by attendant in BLACKFACE :biblio:
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Can you stop throwing stones from your glass house please? ; P
I like how some people in this thread assume its white Americans getting offended at blackface and not people of other races.
That being said, I have been refused service and insulted due to my appearance/race many times.
Racial discrimination is not only a minor convenience but a genuine threat to someone's life.
Then, people treat other races like its some kind of costume that they can wear at parties. It's insulting to people who have to face the consequences of racism each and every day.
I'm not entirely offended by the Zwarte Piet photos online because of the blackface and red lips. It's the mother fucking wigs that put the whole thing over the top.
The hair is so clearly a caricature that is suppose to elicit a comedic response, there's really no way to look at this--big picture--as anything but making fun of blacks.
It's a sad fact that I don't think anyone who has grown up with the character is understanding because they've only seem him as a sign of joyful celebration.
The hair is so clearly a caricature that is suppose to elicit a comedic response, there's really no way to look at this--big picture--as anything but making fun of blacks.
It's a sad fact that I don't think anyone who has grown up with the character is understanding because they've only seem him as a sign of joyful celebration.
Vicetrailia
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Indeed. People are fed up and tired of being subjected to it, but others just can't possibly be bothered to care. It is sad.
Exactly. This is why I was so... angry I guess reading posts from people saying "oh it's European culture, we don't mean anything by it, we just do it for fun!" I stand by my apology, generalizing was not the right thing to do, but fuck if this thread doesn't show that there is some kind of issue when people still can't understand or accept that something they are doing is hurtful and pretty gross. We understand that swastikas are bad despite what they originally were used for, we get calling gay people "fag" and "homo" are really bad things to do when many young people said "fag" as no insult to gay people but as a general insult.. We GET the implications of those things being accepted as the norm and how demoralizing they can be for a group of people.
It's why blackface sucks, it dredges up very bad memories of a time when people of color were treated like scum that was only fit to live with the animals. Where people were fire hosed and whipped, hung, lynched and beaten. So while it may be "something funny hahaha" for you, it's something totally different for many other people.
http://www.economist.com/news/europ...n-exposes-racial-attitudes-zwarte-piet-racism
It's not just "outsiders" complaining about the holiday. If you want to fight to keep the holiday around despite it being offensive to an entire ethnic group, that's your business. But you and others in this thread need to drop the "It's only offensive to Americans" defense. It is offensive to black people all over the planet, including the ones in the Netherlands.
Angelus Errare
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Once again, because there's something being lost in translation from your eyes to your mind. Again not saying this thread is about the irrational Kim Kardashian hate. I state this thread is about racism, but IF it wasn't then it would have been about Kim. Logical outcome; doesn't take much to reach such. There is no assumptions in that, the thread is about Kim Kardashian and the racism she encountered in Vienna, so if we weren't going to talk about the racism we would be talking about...Kim Kardashian; not that we are talking about Kim because we're not, but rather we WOULD be.
Carry on now.
This, especially to the bold. More annoying is the fact many people think it's 'okay' because it's not America or something stupid as that. The costume thing hits so close to home, because I always get infuriated when I see hipster douche and douchettes wearing native American headdress to their shitty indie concerts; and as of more recent that one B-list celebrity who took a picture holding her kid while she wears a headdress talking about how she loves Native Americans, fuck off.
If at this event in Vienna some guy taped his eyes back and said 'Hey I'm Jackie Chan' how is not suddenly NOT racist because he's in a different country? Seriously people; I'm starting to think many of you either didn't watch the video and just wanted to defend the guy's actions because it's the remedial course and doesn't involve higher level thinking. Or worse that you're so comfortable with that it bothers you that others think it's ridiculous and racist. I know many people on GAF are in denial about racism because Obama is president and other stupid suggestions. But how can anyone defend this and claim to be intelligent is beyond me.
"White people in Europe/Scandinavia do not think blackface is racist thus it's not racist. Cool."
That sentence.
And another point you brought up just now, there are SOME people who are acting like that, not everyone is the same.
On the same page you've got someone who is seemingly from the netherlands and is speaking up against it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=118615631&postcount=360
People think different about it, so please don't make it seem like everybody is okay with it.
SnakeSlashRO
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Can someone explain to me how painting yourself to look black is racist. Serious question. I understand in the past performers did this and were clearly being racist-. In this instance I'm not so sure. Was his intent to cause offence or to insult black people?
I'm not saying what he did was ok, but was it actually racist.
Don't be a fucking moron. This isn't a comic convention, I'm shocked anyone let him though the door once they realized what he was doing. The make-up actually was not as bad as some, had he been a few shades darker maybe they wouldn't have let him in lmao.
You missed where he was calling to Kim saying he was Kanye too apparently.
Maybe avoid drive-by, irrelevant, one-liner posts if you don't want people insinuating your "narrative"?
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Retro_
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What are you even trying to say?
Big Baybee
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What was your point?
terribletwo
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Filling in the narrative is an excellent defense to everything
thank you ma'am
thank you ma'am
Pinko Marx
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Do you know why Africans sold other Africans into slavery?
We are discussing how blackface is racist as it makes fun of an entire group of people.
Then you come into this thread and say if we can talk about how black people sold each other to slavery....
What does that have to do with blackface being a horrible thing? I hope to God you weren't going to use that as an excuse to justify racism and whatever horrible thing that has happened to them.
Winterfang
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Yeah, I mean Jesus Christ, what's with the excuses? It doesn't matter what other people do, trying to out the blame in anything else doesn't excuse you of your own personal racist stuff.
Pinko Marx
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Thats pretty much the reason. The Europeans pretty much took advantage of the tribal culture and ages old rivalries between tribes and gave them pay and weapons to wipe out their enemies.
But why even bring it up the practice in the first place? What point are you trying to make here?
Please, if you have the time to snipe at someone with a reaction gif, please take the time to explain your idiotic claim or justify it to the argument (which you /haven't/ done.)
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I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people not understanding why something like Blackface is considered racist. Hell the theater purpose for it is to display a black person usually in a negative/stereotypical light mostly because black performers weren't really allowed.
Adding all of these "oh but if it's racist here why do suchandsuch do the same thing here" is an ignorant comment considering how widespread blackface has gotten in EU.
...and those same africans were eventually brought into the same circumstances as the prisoners they sold. If you knew that you obviously would know the latter. I don't see what this has to do with the argument regarding blackface and why it's bad (because it is bad)
Angelus Errare
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Is this the part where someone starts explaining how Africans really are just as bad as <insert country here> during the Trans-Atlantic slavetrade?
There was a thread about this on Stormfront...think about that for a second before you hit submit.
There was a thread about this on Stormfront...think about that for a second before you hit submit.
I'm with the "blackface is mainly racist in America group."
Also, i just edited my post.
Go back and read it. though i don't really care if you find it a valid reason.
Gold_Loot
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You mean women are attracted to money and riches? Ya don't say...lol
yes, the celebration of the black-a-moors. When black men and later arabians took over spain, portugal and naples and had great influence throughout the whole of europe, which was a fucked up place before they came.
The moors built the first university in europe (spain) and led europe (GOLD) out from the dark ages.
whenever you see these faces on flags or buildings, you know that black people used to run that place.
self explanatory
black men have always had a way with women and never had to pay for the pum pum
because when you arrive in town dressed like this....
women flock ya....
and with all this gold (unlimited amounts of untapped african gold)
black guys started to become a problem for the white european males
before europe was financially stable, they weren't racist cunts like they are now and the black man was basically their god. once europe could stand on it's own in trade, the black man became a problem to them. the black man's large penis became legend, women couldn't get enough of them. and the fact that these guys were packed to the brim with gold and pro-creating with all and whomever they chose, the white male european aristocrats feared that the white skin tone of europe would transform into a let's say "darker complexion".
yeh, so they had enough of that shit. but had to bide their time (grin and bare it).
once the portuguese and spanish white rulers found out where large deposits of african gold was (mali and ghana), they devised a plot to kick all the moors out and at the same time steal and rob all their gold.
FLASHBACK - vasco da gama, exploring(lol gold searching), murder in the name of jesus christ, stealing, slavery and racism.
FASTFORWARD - these guys!
a little history reveals everything.
Is wearing a headdress really that bad? I'd think of it as indicative of a culture, not race.
SapientWolf
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Fine, the face paint might be soot. Whatever. But you can't explain the afro. I mean, goddamn. But lets look at what may be symptoms of the real problem here:
Race in the Netherlands: The Place of the Surinamese in Contemporary Dutch Society
These Dutch citizens are saying that they don't feel accepted because of their skin color. And that type of thinking is typically due to ignorance rather than malice, but regardless, it sounds like it's a problem.
Pinko Marx
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Are you trying to say that this particular instance of black face paint wasn't, at any point, racist?
TatteredHat
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Following up on my previous post, I think it's just painful when you realise that a tradition that you've held dear for most of your childhood is something that offends others, and that their reasoning for being offended is completely justified.
Regardless of childhood memories, these days I am very much in favor of scrapping the idea of the traditional zwarte piet look in favor of a look that looks more like what you'd expect from someone who climbs down chimneys.
Regardless of childhood memories, these days I am very much in favor of scrapping the idea of the traditional zwarte piet look in favor of a look that looks more like what you'd expect from someone who climbs down chimneys.
This was to an American on purpose, so i'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing.
I meant for the whole Zwarte piet thing that popped up for some reason.
I'm looking at all of the popular uses Blackface has in Europe (Vienna specifcally.) I'm having hard difficulty to find exactly where this is considered culturally 'okay' in Vienna. Surely, you're an expert, you have links or something, right?
Get the fuck over yourself. That use of blackface, in /this/ scenario, is something that should be frowned upon. It's racist.
A headdress is an honor reserved to those who have proven themselves in battle and as respected members of their community not for white hipsters seeking to look cool.
Winterfang
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Yeah... I don't know about this ''White people where just scared that black people where stealing their girls with their gold and big dicks''
I agreed that Black Face is racist but I'm not part of the Black Panther Party or anything like that. I'm sure they where others less ridiculous reasons for what actually happened.
Oh....if you don't care then why are you even here? Stop making shitty posts to stir shit up.
Also,
Since a lot of european foilk here are spinning this as how "blackface is only racist in america" thing, I guess I will go ahead and spin it myself;
I am from the middle-east, and my family, friends and relatives think blackface is extremely racist and wrong. Even my aunt who is a goat farmer and doesn't even know how to use a computer thinks it's racist.
Checkmate Europeans.
This thread is melting my brain
Except the guy knew exactly what he was doing. Lampooning kims penchant for black men. "Hey kim its me". He may as well called her a "nigger lover". Shit is gross any fucking way you look at it period.
you forgot the xxxl, hung like a horse penis size that woman are truly fascinated by! even to this day lol
you do know that the ancient greeks worshiped the penis (taken from the egyptian/kemetian) obelisk right?
but yes, the fact that only black men had the knowledge to acquire this type of garb proved to be a major problem for the european males. they forced women (physical punishment) not to have relations with black males!
Green Ranger
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dr3upmushroom
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Still pretty stupid. Just like pulling your eyes to the side to look "asian" is stupid.
Angelus Errare
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It's not necessarily racism, but the meaningless culture appropriation annoys me just as much. It's like hey; you guys were nearly wiped out and now live on really small reserves and are marginalized like fuck. We're totally taking your culture and killing it even more!
1. It's not even paying homage just blatant 'Hey this looks cool! Let's make it a thing! Oh we're soooo cool! We don't even really know where it came from but it looks awesome as I do my strange dance to this awesome indie song!
2. Only majorly influential members of tribes were allowed to wear them; and the feathers actually mean something. Each feather represented an act of bravery; and let's face it. The bravest thing 3/4 of those hipster fucks have done was graduate high school.
When I see shit like this, it just annoys me greatly.
Particle Physicist
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I was typing on my phone, so I left it short, but you were comparing racist actions with limiting people's food options due to religious beliefs. Those are two very different things.
Context matters. I was providing an example as to how "it's part of their culture/tradition" is an awful excuse. I was not making that actual generalization. If that wasn't clear, I apologize.
I have never said everyone thinks this way. At all. I have been saying that A) there is a history of racially motivated blackface in countries outside the US and B) Racism exists outside the US and many countries have awful histories in that regard (including the US)
pants
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There are a wide variety of traditions that have been taken from conquered communities and then integrated to mainstream culture. This has happened to people in Europe, Americas and all across Asia.
I don't see a reason to get needlessly annoyed about it though I understand the sentiment if it's part of recent history.
It's not necessarily racism, but the meaningless culture appropriation annoys me just as much. It's like hey; you guys were nearly wiped out and now live on really small reserves and are marginalized like fuck. We're totally taking your culture and killing it even more!
1. It's not even paying homage just blatant 'Hey this looks cool! Let's make it a thing! Oh we're soooo cool! We don't even really know where it came from but it looks awesome as I do my strange dance to this awesome indie song!
2. Only majorly influential members of tribes were allowed to wear them; and the feathers actually mean something. Each feather represented an act of bravery; and let's face it. The bravest thing 3/4 of those hipster fucks have done was graduate high school.
When I see shit like this, it just annoys me greatly.
wow.
you see, you learn something new everyday. listen up folks. knowledge is power.
Winterfang
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A friend of mine went to Spain and pretty much drowned my Instagram with beautiful pictures. This one however stood out
Is this also a case of inoffensive tradition?
Is this also a case of inoffensive tradition?
Dat Filling Narrative
So what was your point in pointing out Africans sold Africans? We know this.
terribletwo
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glad almost all of these were covered in this thread
http://africasacountry.com/10-excuses-most-dutch-people-make-for-racism/
http://africasacountry.com/10-excuses-most-dutch-people-make-for-racism/
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