Air Zombie Meat
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I'm getting tired of seeing this shitted out. It's not true. Only the dumbest of the dumb would think such a thing.
Kim Kardashian's night out RUINED by attendant in BLACKFACE :biblio:
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I'm getting tired of seeing this shitted out. It's not true. Only the dumbest of the dumb would think such a thing.
Forceatowulf
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Disgusting. Just fucking disgusting. Period.
And boy oh boy do I love when some of the self-righteous Europeans come up in these threads to defend and or shrug off this type of behavior too. Or some of the obtuse Americans who somehow "just don't get why it's offensive." and need it explained to them like they're 5 year old's who've lived in a cave for most of their lives. It's like clock-work every time. Like a running gag of some sort.
And boy oh boy do I love when some of the self-righteous Europeans come up in these threads to defend and or shrug off this type of behavior too. Or some of the obtuse Americans who somehow "just don't get why it's offensive." and need it explained to them like they're 5 year old's who've lived in a cave for most of their lives. It's like clock-work every time. Like a running gag of some sort.
Directing what? I just said you have no evidence that this is all staged, and that nobody is even talking about that, as we are talking about other things.
Supermanisdead
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if you'd read the thread, it's pretty obvious. the amount of "lol america" coming from dutch posters is absurd. blackface, ESPECIALLY zwart piet, is racism. you guys realize zwart piet is santa clause's SLAVE right?
Air Zombie Meat
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That doesn't mean they are saying theres no racism in their country and a handful of posters doesn't represent europe as a whole.
And you honestly asked if europeans had history classes in school so you'll have to forgive me if I don't take your opinion seriously.
The Redskins controversy is similar in this respect.
The Native American community is small so the majority of the population (based on polling) dismisses it as just a "few" being offended and not worthy of having a name change.
Ingueferroque
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Are you talking about me? Because besides my opinions expressed herein, you know nothing about me or what prejudice and ism's I have been exposed to. Must be nice.
you'll notice i didn't say "all" europeans deny the existence of racism in their respective countries
it's a problem everywhere. is it worse in america? i really don't know but i would bet it probably is. europe is pretty racist too though and i think tends to be more in denial about it.
This post tells us everything we need to know. It's so bad it's on the verge of satire, and there's no way it was written by anyone who's ever been subjected to prejudice of any kind.
Sparkedglory
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You go and find a black actor. Duh
Air Zombie Meat
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You said lots of which to me implies a majority or a large amount. You're right that racism as an issue isn't talked about as much in europe as it is in america. I think thats why a lot of europeans tend to not be as educated on the issue and have more blind spots. But thats different from denying the existence of racism which you'd have to be brain dead to do.
You can think whatever you want, that doesn't create facts though.
Considering Europe is vastly more different with each country having a pretty long and different history than the United States, it's not easy to pinpoint Europe as a whole with so many different cultures in between.
And even so, that doesn't matter anyway...it's sad enough there's so much racism around....
Ingueferroque
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You are reading too much into my post, it was trying to explain how someone (with red hair, freckles and bi-sexual orientation, and have been bullied for the former most of my childhood, and insulted and shunned by the latter through most of my early adulthood) so whilst not as loaded as racism or the history that goes with that.. I have definitely had my share of exposure to this way of thinking and what it does to the person on the other end.
My post was just trying to explain what it was like growing up in a country where we have these as yearly traditions, as common as christmas. Times have changed and are still changing so I understand how these traditions will eventually have to adapt now that the world is getting bigger, just as the dialogue around these topics changes. But it is not fair and judgmental to say that I was born and raised with racist and offensive traditions. As that's simply a falsehood.
The examples that some users have made in this thread in response to my post, of extremist viewpoints and behavior surrounding this subject and some of the protest events defending the culture.. proves nothing. As those kinds of people will always pop-up under any occasion and use it to justify their own agenda.
Uno Venova
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so since blackface is cool, what other racist things can I do outside of america
Prototype Viktor
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You know who were the original target of the term barbarian? Everyone that wasn't Greek or Roman
Brute is just the same
I understand what you're saying.
The thing that bothers me is when people plead ignorance and say "Well, I grew up with it and its tradition".
No, stop...just because its tradition doesn't make it right. It seems some people just don't understand that. In the case of Zwerte Piet, I think NL needs to reevaluate this holiday and have him fit more with the times.
timetokill
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Living in mostly homogenous places is the best!
There aren't many black people around, so you can wear blackface and not be racist!
There aren't many asian people around, so you can pull your eyes to make them slanted and not be racist!
You guys just don't understand our unique culture. We aren't doing it because we hate black people, we're doing it out of our rich traditions and fabled history. How can I even hate black people when I barely ever see black people? Except for my many black friends, I mean. But I wear blackface around them all the time, and nobody gets upset! I call it "Blackface Wednesdays," but you Americans are probably too sensitive to get why it's funny. Our black cultural icon has exotic, magical powers, for instance. And he always wants to help white people! How is that possibly a negative portrayal of black people?
It's just too bad that you guys were the only ones to ever have slaves, while us enlightened Europeans dodged that bullet! It makes sense that you would be ashamed of it.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to a friend's birthday party. It's an "AMIGOS!" party, so we're all going to wear sombreros, fake mustaches, and ponchos and loiter in front of a hardware store while drinking... get this... CORONAS! I think my friend even has an old pickup truck we can sit in.
Man, I'm so glad we don't have any Latin American people in this country.
There aren't many black people around, so you can wear blackface and not be racist!
There aren't many asian people around, so you can pull your eyes to make them slanted and not be racist!
You guys just don't understand our unique culture. We aren't doing it because we hate black people, we're doing it out of our rich traditions and fabled history. How can I even hate black people when I barely ever see black people? Except for my many black friends, I mean. But I wear blackface around them all the time, and nobody gets upset! I call it "Blackface Wednesdays," but you Americans are probably too sensitive to get why it's funny. Our black cultural icon has exotic, magical powers, for instance. And he always wants to help white people! How is that possibly a negative portrayal of black people?
It's just too bad that you guys were the only ones to ever have slaves, while us enlightened Europeans dodged that bullet! It makes sense that you would be ashamed of it.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to a friend's birthday party. It's an "AMIGOS!" party, so we're all going to wear sombreros, fake mustaches, and ponchos and loiter in front of a hardware store while drinking... get this... CORONAS! I think my friend even has an old pickup truck we can sit in.
Man, I'm so glad we don't have any Latin American people in this country.
Gordon Shumway
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lol..
shacklesmcgee
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This is complete and utter bullshit.
What becomes clearer and clearer to me is that racism is very different in the US compared to EU. US racism deals with the big "race" groups they have, Caucasian, Black, Asian, Latino.
In the EU racism is much smaller. In Germany especially, it is about nationalities, not "race" per se. Poles, Russians, Turks are hated, all of them Caucasian. So very little of explicit racism (explicit as in "The Turkish should go home!") is geared toward black people that many Germans don't realize when they're being racist towards blacks. It's not the most obvious issue to them.
In the EU racism is much smaller. In Germany especially, it is about nationalities, not "race" per se. Poles, Russians, Turks are hated, all of them Caucasian. So very little of explicit racism (explicit as in "The Turkish should go home!") is geared toward black people that many Germans don't realize when they're being racist towards blacks. It's not the most obvious issue to them.
Tell them you are American.
Blackface to me has always seemed juvenile, classless and stupid. Surely you can pick another costume, or make fun of Kim K another way than that.
Wow...I was wondering why this thread blew up since I last posted. Blackface being racist is a U.S.-only (non-European) thing? Jesus.
Apparently these Germans at the World Cup didn't get that particular memo.
http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2014/06/world-cup-racism-homophobia-brazil
Apparently these Germans at the World Cup didn't get that particular memo.
http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2014/06/world-cup-racism-homophobia-brazil
Wow...I was wondering why this thread blew up since I last posted. Blackface being racist is a U.S.-only (non-European) thing? Jesus.
Apparently these Germans at the World Cup didn't get that particular memo.
http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2014/06/world-cup-racism-homophobia-brazil
I can tell you that A LOT of people here in Germany have no concept of blackface. My girlfriend was confronted with it for the first time when "How I met your mother" was criticized for 'yellow facing'. She was totally confused as to why this was an issue at all.
Dude, I tried to explain these same things. Admittedly I did a poor job at explaining it but you will get ripped to pieces if you continue.
Well, I'm just trying to explain and understand why the perception of blackface is so different. I don't condone it in any way, shape or form.
And as people explained, there is a difference between unintentional ignorance and arguing for something once you're aware how offensive it is.
If his girlfriend continues to think it's okay, or argues in favour of it, then she's being intentionally ignorant.
People in this thread are trying to educate others in sensitivity and empathy, but it's being rejected by people like we're trying to raise taxes or something.
perfectchaos007
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This thread has taught me blackface is acceptable so long as its done outside of America. Can foreign born Americans also get a pass if they want to portray a black person?
No.
CadetMahoney
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I think it's just American influencing everyone else then they start to believe it. The worst thing is there are no white stereotypes on the same level as all these black ones so you get loads of negative black stereotypes but little for others.
I'd definitely seek out an American embassy in your country and consult with them.
Why? I'm not mocking anyone. I just want to look like a character I like.
Supermanisdead
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blackface is never okay. thats all there is to it. the handwringing and desperation from blackface apologists is just fucking embarrassing.
because race isn't a costume you can just wear.
because race isn't a costume you can just wear.
The reason you got "ripped to pieces" is because you tried arguing that blackface "does not exist" in Europe and that activities described as black face are not offensive because Europeans do not have the same history with black people as the US.
The two posters you quoted however are saying that many Europeans are not aware that they are being offensive to black people or have knowledge of the concept of black face. The difference here is that they are not trying to defend the behavior or blame it all on the US or say that black face isn't offensive. Instead they are acknowledging that there is ignorance on the subject where these activities still take place.
Look, I already said that I did a piss poor job at explaining me. But by calling me and my whole country (Italy) racist, which happened in this very thread, you just left me wondering what the fuck is going on. Apparently I'm not able to understand what racism is too because I'm white. This completely ignores the fact that I'm a foreigner living in another country (Germany) for over 36 years. I've encountered a shitload of racism.
Still, my only point was that racism is very different over here.
It would out you as a huge nerd that doesn't get why you shouldn't paint your face black.
Because black people are not aliens.
You could probably get some swastika looking accessories in places where Hinduism or Buddhism is common.
1. You didn't address my point at all.
2. Stop playing the victim. Spew ignorance and you'll get attacked.
3. Racism is racism. There is no "over here". Once you're made aware, you either change your ways or you admit you don't want to and you're complicit in it.
You can dress up as a character without the need to colour your skin. Races aren't a costume for you to paint on and entertain others with.
Okay, I must concede that I honestly don't get it. I understand that a mockery of a race is unacceptable. And that reducing them to being black is at least ignorant. But not being able to dress up as a specific black character you like for no other reason than 'just don't do it' is hard for me to grasp.
Could you elaborate? Most costumes are not based on aliens.
You can dress up like one, you just don't need to paint your face
Using blackface you are saying that ALL black people can just be broken down to the color of there skin.
You can within reason. I personally don't think you need to darken your skin to dress up as a black character.
HI. BILLY MAYS HERE
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Didn't this shit happen like 2-3 months ago ?
Necromanti
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You can dress up as a black character you like without changing your skin color.
Big Baybee
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If you were cosplaying an Asian character from a game would you tape your eyes back?
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