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[Forceatowulf]

Is it racist to paint your skin white if you are black?

Because for me, if some people wouldn't paint their skin black when dressing up as some black person, I would find it very strange since it would seem more racist to not acknowledge that the person is black.

Be 100% honest right now.

If a Black dude showed up to a party with this kind of make-up and stated he was Brian Williams you wouldn't find it fucking ridiculous? You would just look at it as a cool Brian Williams costume?

Be for real.

This is exactly how ridiculous White folks look in black-face.

 

[Supermanisdead]

They just look like a black/white/asian/whatever version of a character.

well then you've got weird issues and that's not on the person in the costume

 

[Forceatowulf]

It's awkward how the Kardashians appear to be much smarter and more socially aware than some of the people in here.

AIN'T THAT SOME SHIT

But, to be fair, they do hang around/date with other ethnicities. People like that tend to be a little more socially aware when it comes to race issues.

That family is still propagated by jackasses though.

 

[Ovid]

Be 100% honest right now.

If a Black dude showed up to a party with this kind of make-up and stated he was Brian Williams you wouldn't find it fucking ridiculous? You would just look at it as a cool Brian Williams costume?

Be for real.

This is exactly how ridiculous White folks look in black-face.

That's why that skit was so hilarious. It's just so stupid looking.

 

[fanboi]

Be 100% honest right now.

If a Black dude showed up to a party with this kind of make-up and stated he was Brian Williams you wouldn't find it fucking ridiculous? You would just look at it as a cool Brian Williams costume?

Be for real.

This is exactly how ridiculous White folks look in black-face.

Ridiculus? Maybe. Racist? No. Funny? Yes. Good that he went all way? Yes.

 

[Enzom21]

No you are reading into something that isnt there, where did I state it is the most defining characteristic?

You're saying that you would know 100% who that person was if they painted their skin. I took that to mean; regardless of what the costume is, the character is unrecognizable without their race.

Okay, you guys are right. Enough explaining and understanding, time to mock!

What additional information are you looking for? What hasn't been explained in the thread by multiple people? If people aren't getting it by now then they deserve to be mocked.

 

[ClintAbuse]

Ok. So Kim K is offended why? She isn't even black. Anyway, it's just art.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Ok. So Kim K is offended why? She isn't even black. Anyway, it's just art.

Did you watch the video?

 

[Enzom21]

Ok. So Kim K is offended why? She isn't even black. Anyway, it's just art.

Did you watch the video or read the thread at all?

 

[soundahfekz]

ITT people act like whites were enslaved, dehumanized and ridiculed because of their ethnic features and complexion (which continues to reverberate through our society today) and somehow conclude that Dave chappelle dressing up as a white man (which has no historical context) are somehow equivalent and should be deemed equally offensive.

One day, MLK. One day.

 

[Ovid]

Ok. So Kim K is offended why? She isn't even black. Anyway, it's just art.

Here we go again.

Her husband is black and her child is of mixed ancestry. Why wouldn't she be offended?

Does everyone defending this shit have a blackheart or something?

 

[kamorra]

ITT people act like whites were enslaved, dehumanized and ridiculed because of their ethnic features and complexion (which continues to reverberate through our society today) and somehow conclude that Dave chappelle dressing up as a white man (which has no historical context) are somehow equivalent and should be deemed equally offensive.

One day, MLK. One day.

Who did this?

 

[fanboi]

You're saying that you would know 100% who that person was if they painted their skin. I took that to mean; regardless of what the costume is, the character is unrecognizable without their race.


What additional information are you looking for? What hasn't been explained in the thread by multiple people? If people aren't getting it by now then they deserve to be mocked.

No, I said 100% easier, not be 100%.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Who did this?

Do you consider this racist: http://world.time.com/2014/01/17/italian-mp-disgraces-parliament-by-putting-on-blackface/ ?

 

[Enzom21]

ITT people act like whites were enslaved, dehumanized and ridiculed because of their ethnic features and complexion (which continues to reverberate through our society today) and somehow conclude that Dave chappelle dressing up as a white man (which has no historical context) are somehow equivalent and should be deemed equally offensive.

One day, MLK. One day.

Well according to some geniuses in this thread, none of that happened in Europe... so it's all good.

 

[wsippel]

You just told me you grew up in a city with a population of 2000 and saw only one Black girl there. Seems to me you folks are lacking in diversity. There's nothing inherently wrong with that but it is what it is.

I'm here in Michigan and I rarely see as many ethic groups as I did when I lived in California. Everything is relative to where you grew up. Sounds to me the place you grew up clearly lacked the diversity I grew up around. This is also why it seems to me you're having trouble empathizing with how others feel about Black-face and just shrug it off and make excuses. You have a very narrow world-view it seems. Sorry if that comes off as harsh.

We have a lot of diversity, but very few black people. Where I live now, it's mostly Vietnamese and Russian immigrants. Where I grew up, it was people from Turkey, ex-Jugoslavia and Russia. And I consider myself quite open minded, actually. But I also consider myself a realist, and I hate black and white mentality. Because almost everything is actually gray. I personally think black face paint tends to be on the brighter end of the spectrum, but there are exceptions. "Real" blackface is certainly on the darker end, but there are still exceptions. This one for example is quite amazing:

Looks totally like blackface, right? Except it's not. It's a statue of Saint Mauritius in the Saint Mauritius Cathedral, Magdeburg. The statue is from around 1250 - 200 years before Columbus was even born, almost a millennium older than the concept of blackface.

And whitewashing and Black-face are both racist. You can argue which one is more vile than the other, if you like.. but they're both bad, so it's a pointless argument to have.

It's one or the other - or we could just let all those plays die, including those that actually celebrate black people, or at least draw attention to important historical black people. And that would be just as bad as whitewashing the roles in my opinion.

 

[aeolist]

Well according to some geniuses in this thread, none of that happened in Europe... so it's all good.

sure, they just exported it across the pond and profited from it tremedously

 

[Angelus Errare]

Ok. So Kim K is offended why? She isn't even black. Anyway, it's just art.

Because she doesn't revel in being racially ignorant? And she's married to a black man?

Nothing artistic about this. Please be embarrassed that we can all tell you didn't read the OP nor did you watch the video.

 

[Forceatowulf]

Ridiculus? Maybe. Racist? No. Funny? Yes. Good that he went all way? Yes.

Wait, why would this be funny to you? What's funny about a Black man dressed as a regular White guy? Brian Williams is White, so it fits the costume. Understand, the hypothetical Black man dressed as Brian Williams in that type of make-up was not dressed this way to be funny, but to be Brian Willaims, so what would you be laughing about?

 

[kamorra]

Is this racist: http://world.time.com/2014/01/17/italian-mp-disgraces-parliament-by-putting-on-blackface/ ?

It's Lega Nord, they are the biggest racist scum we have in Italy. Yes, it's racist. But I was just arguing that people who celebrate this dutch holiday aren't necessarily racist and that they don't have same history and context like someone from the US. These people aren't part of super racist group like Lega Nord. I'm not sure what you trying by constantly pointing out how racist my country is.

 

[Extra Sauce]

Isn't exaggeration/misrepresentation necessary to qualify as mockery? Seems like the guy straight up painted himself brown and called himself Kanye, which I would call pointless before racist.

 

[ClintAbuse]

Here we go again.

Her husband is black and her child is of mixed ancestry. Why wouldn't she be offended?

Does everyone defending this shit have a blackheart or something?

I can't hear you down here, that horse is very high!

Check that privilege, son

 

[kamorra]

Wait, why would this be funny to you? What's funny about a Black man dressed as a regular White guy? Brian Williams is White, so it fits the costume. Understand, the hypothetical Black man dressed as Brian Williams in that type of make-up was not dressed this way to be funny, but to be Brian Willaims, so what would you be laughing about?

Man, you showed him a picture of comedy sketch. This is pure baiting now.

 

[ClintAbuse]

Because she doesn't revel in being racially ignorant? And she's married to a black man?

Nothing artistic about this. Please be embarrassed that we can all tell you didn't read the OP nor did you watch the video.

I don't have the right to form an opinion based on a thread title? Guess I jumped in my time machine and went back to Nazi Germany... ^_^

 

[Angelus Errare]

I can't hear you down here, that horse is very high!

Check that privilege, son

I don't have the right to form an opinion based on a thread title? Guess I jumped in my time machine and went back to Nazi Germany... ^_^

You can, just like I can make fun of you for obviously not reading the OP or watching the video. Your original post much like this one just scream remedial. ^_^

 

[shacklesmcgee]

It's a tradition that has nothing to do with slavery, so I never found this offensive.

You'd be wrong. The soot is bullshit made up to try and cover the fact that the character is racist as all hell.

Ok. So Kim K is offended why? She isn't even black. Anyway, it's just art.

hmmm...I'm not Jewish, yet why does anti-Semitism offend me? Maybe its common human decency?

Looks totally like blackface, right? Except it's not. It's a statue of Saint Mauritius in the Saint Mauritius Cathedral, Magdeburg. The statue is from around 1250 - 200 years before Columbus was even born, almost a millennium older than the concept of blackface.

It's one or the other - or we could just let all those plays die, including those that actually celebrate black people, or at least draw attention to important historical black people. And that would be just as bad as whitewashing the roles in my opinion.

If your middle school wants to put on a play of 12 Years a Slave, but you only have little white kids to play the parts, guess what? You shouldn't be making that play. "Let all those plays die"? You're seriously suggesting that if you don't paint white children's faces black, that the play will no longer be performed?

 

[Enzom21]

No, I said 100% easier, not be 100%.

So out of the pictures I posted of Michonne, the people who painted their skin were more identifiable to you?

Man, you showed him a picture of comedy sketch. This is pure baiting now.

No he asked him if a black person came dressed as Brian Williams and he said it would be funny. There is no baiting.
By the way, I thought you said you were leaving the thread?

I don't have the right to form an opinion based on a thread title? Guess I jumped in my time machine and went back to Nazi Germany... ^_^

Yes, you are required to do more than read the thread title before you respond. What kind of stupid ass question is that?!

 

[aeolist]

It's Lega Nord, they are the biggest racist scum we have in Italy. Yes, it's racist. But I was just arguing that people who celebrate this dutch holiday aren't necessarily racist and that they don't have same history and context like someone from the US. These people aren't part of super racist group like Lega Nord. I'm not sure what you trying by constantly pointing out how racist my country is.

again, it's ok to be ignorant, but once you're informed of how your time-honored traditions are really hurtful and bigoted you can either be a decent person and realize that blackface is unacceptable or just ignore what everyone is telling you and continue as if nothing happened

at that point you're a racist

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Ok. So Kim K is offended why? She isn't even black. Anyway, it's just art.

I can't hear you down here, that horse is very high!

Check that privilege, son

I don't have the right to form an opinion based on a thread title? Guess I jumped in my time machine and went back to Nazi Germany... ^_^

Usually people do this sort of thing only if they're witty.

 

[Kinyou]

Ok. So Kim K is offended why? She isn't even black. Anyway, it's just art.

The guy wasn't trying to do some art. He was trying to provoke her causing a scene maybe in the hope to get some publicity

 

[MrToughPants]

I learn my history from NeoGAF OT.

Thank you, DC R1D3R

 

[ConfusingJazz]

I don't have the right to form an opinion based on a thread title? Guess I jumped in my time machine and went back to Nazi Germany... ^_^

No, this is NeoGAF, dumb shit ain't tolerated.

And really, skipping the OP before posting isn't tolerated either.

 

[MisterGrey3000]

ITT people act like whites were enslaved, dehumanized and ridiculed because of their ethnic features and complexion (which continues to reverberate through our society today) and somehow conclude that Dave chappelle dressing up as a white man (which has no historical context) are somehow equivalent and should be deemed equally offensive.

One day, MLK. One day.

lol
I've been lurking this forum for a long while, and it's still quite surprising to see some people's attitudes towards black face. It's almost like they lack no perspective (which is most likely the case) or they choose to be willfully ignorant to fight off the "PC brigade".

 

[kamorra]

By the way, I thought you said you were leaving the thread?

I know you more interested in attacking me but take a quick look at my last couple of posts. There's a reason I came back.

again, it's ok to be ignorant, but once you're informed of how your time-honored traditions are really hurtful and bigoted you can either be a decent person and realize that blackface is unacceptable or just ignore what everyone is telling you and continue as if nothing happened

at that point you're a racist

Ok.

 

[……forgetit]

I'll add my 2 cents, of you're dressing as a character, don't change your skin color, no matter who you are. It's pretty damn racist. If I dressed as Batman, I wouldn't put on white makeup, so don't put on black makeup to dress as cyborg or static.

 

[Seeds]

again, it's ok to be ignorant, but once you're informed of how your time-honored traditions are really hurtful and bigoted you can either be a decent person and realize that blackface is unacceptable or just ignore what everyone is telling you and continue as if nothing happened

at that point you're a racist

Informed that's it's hurtful and bigoted from whos perspective? People living in netherland or outside?

 

[Forceatowulf]

Man, you showed him a picture of comedy sketch. This is pure baiting now.

There's not exactly a whole lot of white-face images to choose from that aren't involved in a comedy bit, dude. White-face isn't as prevalent in the Black community like Black-face in the White community. Not even close.

And the whole point is that white-face/black-face will always be seen as a joke, and by extension mockery. It will never be taken serious like someone was just trying to complete a costume and that's it, like fnboi was trying to allude to, yet thought the idea of a Black guy in white-face make-up dressed as Brian Willaims was funny, it is universally unnecessary and awkward looking.

 

[ClintAbuse]

No, this is NeoGAF, dumb shit ain't tolerated.

And really, skipping the OP before posting isn't tolerated either.

Ok, I went back and watched and that dude wasn't even in black face. It was just a shit tan!

If anything, it was offensive to people who tan.

 

[Enzom21]

I know you more interested in attacking me but take a quick look at my last couple of posts. There's a reason I came back.


Ok.

So pointing out the ridiculous shit you continue to post in this thread is attacking you?

 

[Kinvara]

Okay, you guys are right. Enough explaining and understanding, time to mock!

People have already explained several times in this thread why blackface is horrible and racist.It has been explained in other threads, in countless articles, and academic papers.

People get tired and frustrated when they have to repeat themselves over and over again to the same tired questions.

Especially when this information is readily available through a simple google search. Expecting others to do the all the research for you is lazy and disrespectful.

 

[aeolist]

Informed that's it's hurtful and bigoted from whos perspective? People living in netherland or outside?

black people

i assume there's at least a few in the netherlands

 

[airmangataosenai]

A cultural taboo in the US is not usually a cultural taboo in Vienna. Logic

Maybe.... maybe you'd have an argument if the guy did it for his own benefit (Although I wouldn't agree). But no, he did it because she was there and she's an American.

 

[Benutzer]

well then you've got weird issues and that's not on the person in the costume

How the fuck does he have "weird issues"? The guy looks like a black superman just like this guy

looks like a white Mr. T. The original character belongs to a specifc ethnic group, of course you notice the most obvious difference between the character and the costume.

I prefer people keeping their original skin color when they wear costumes... Looks great and no one gets hurt

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Too bad it's true, you guys subjected black people to being slaves. Now you have guilt and rightly so. Same reasons Germans won't laugh about Nazi jokes.

Don't you mean Jewish? Going by the first part of your sentence? The Nazis persecuted the Jews. Not themselves.

 

[kamorra]

There's not exactly a whole lot of white-face images to choose from that aren't involved in a comedy bit, dude. White-face isn't as prevalent in the Black community like Black-face in the White community. Not even close.

And the whole point is that white-face/black-face will always be seen as a joke, and by extension mockery. It will never be taken serious like someone was just trying to complete a costume and that's it, like fnboi was trying to allude to, because it is universally unnecessary and awkward looking.

I see. I appreciate that you are trying to explain, I really do.

 

[Seeds]

black people

i assume there's at least a few in the netherlands

It might be a good thing to listen to what black people in netherlands have to say before people who don't live there get offended on their behalf.

 

[Basketball]

yes and that the europeans took the mispronunciation of the name, changed it to n*gger and here we are today.

black, indian and chinese were all called "n*ggers".

now the nagas (the dravidian indians) along with the andaman negritos are the indigenous/original people of india. they set up the first religions, temples and statues. they arrived from ethiopia and the eastern coasts of africa....but that's a whole nother story.....

the very fact that the definition of a n*gger is an ignorant person.....there's a whole bunch of ignorant fools in this thread.

 

[wsippel]

If your middle school wants to put on a play of 12 Years a Slave, but you only have little white kids to play the parts, guess what? You shouldn't be making that play. "Let all those plays die"? You're seriously suggesting that if you don't paint white children's faces black, that the play will no longer be performed?

Not that year, not at that place.

But we wouldn't play stuff like 12 Years a Slave to begin with, especially not in schools, because we generally don't really care all that much about US history or literature. In this particular context, it's mostly about religious plays involving the Three Wise Men, which are traditionally performed every year around Christmas, as well as plays including Saint Mauritius. And Othello of course, which was actually performed by the theater club of my school once.

 

[Forceatowulf]

I prefer people keeping their original skin color when they wear costumes... Looks great and no one gets hurt

Agreed. This year I plan on going out as my favorite Asian movie characters and have decided to tape my eyes to look more slanted. Ya know, to complete the authenticity. Everyone will be cool with that, what could possibly go wrong (if no Asians are in attendance)?

By the way, the dude dressed as Mr. T looked great.

 

[Supermanisdead]

How the fuck does he have "weird issues"? The guy looks like a black superman just like this guy
looks like a white Mr. T. The original character belongs to a specifc ethnic group, of course you notice the most obvious difference between the character and the costume.

I prefer people keeping their original skin color when they wear costumes... Looks great and no one gets hurt

well because this guy is obviously dressed as mr t. not "a white mr t from some parallel universe" just mr t. if i put on superman's costume, i am dressing up as superman. that's it. i'm in costume portraying a character. im not creating my own spinoff parallel universe character that is a black guy in superman's costume.