Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

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I had saw another PM title screen that had play update and something else on it. Now when I put my SD card I see a broken pic in the stage builder saying the file is corrupted. My other SD card has the regular PM starting up but not the wi-fi version.
 
JB-the-Hunter said:
Exactly, but the same goes for all unannounced characters. The only thing we can really go by is evidence.

The reason people assume Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone is because Pokemon Trainer is gone, and that concept is the only reason those two were in Brawl in the first place. There's also the fact that Greninja already represents the water type and Ivysaur is by far the least popular of his three evolutions. I don't even need to explain why Charizard was able to come back as a solo character.
The reason people assume Lucas is gone is because of the Gematsu leak, which has proven to be accurate thus far. There are legitimate reasons to assume those three characters will be cut.

However, there has been no indication from anywhere that Snake will be cut. People like to cite the Kojima interview, but Kojima wouldn't be able to say if he was in or not. That interview means squat. The Sega guys pretty much said the same thing about Sonic. Snake's chances aren't any different than Toon Link, Lucario, Ike, Wolf or Sonic... especially Sonic.
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I hope so....
 
PadWarrior said:
I had saw another PM title screen that had play update and something else on it. Now when I put my SD card I see a broken pic in the stage builder saying the file is corrupted. My other SD card has the regular PM starting up but not the wi-fi version.
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Take the codes folder from the download/guide and place it on to your other SD card and replace it. That should make it work.
 
JB-the-Hunter said:
Exactly, but the same goes for all unannounced characters. The only thing we can really go by is evidence.
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The biggest thing that separates Snake from the other veterans is the fact that he is third party. That alone makes his return questionable. It's the same reason we were worried about Sonic.

It's difficult to be sure when it comes to character not owned by Nintendo.
 
Kouichi said:
The biggest thing that separates Snake from the other veterans is the fact that he is third party. That alone makes his return questionable. It's the same reason we were worried about Sonic.
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It's different though, because if anything Snake has become even more detached and irrelevant from Nintendo since his appearance in Brawl. Not that he really was especially linked in the first place.
 
MasterBalls said:
It's different though, because if anything Snake has become even more detached and irrelevant from Nintendo since his appearance in Brawl. Not that he really was especially linked in the first place.
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That's actually not true. Twin Snakes was released 4 years before Brawl, and MGS4 was being heavily promoted at the time and was also featured in some content in Brawl. Snake Eater 3D was only released about 2 years before Smash 4's planned release dates, and MGSV is the same case here.

He's no less relevant, but he never really was anyway.
 
MasterBalls said:
It's different though, because if anything Snake has become even more detached and irrelevant from Nintendo since his appearance in Brawl. Not that he really was especially linked in the first place.
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Yeah, Snake always felt weird to me.

He would have been a better fit for PS All-Stars

The combo of Pac-man, Mega Man, Sonic and Mario is way better anyway.
 
PadWarrior said:
DaBoss, I do have that gameconfigtext, do I need to delete it?
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No, it should be there.

And lol, I just read the known issues part of the guide and look at what I found here:
"Hackless method will not work on Wii U if you use a motion plus wiimote."

Maybe that is the issue? lol

I think it would be best to use the IRC to troubleshoot so it would be easier.
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DaBoss said:
No, it should be there.

And lol, I just read the known issues part of the guide and look at what I found here:
"Hackless method will not work on Wii U if you use a motion plus wiimote."

Maybe that is the issue? lol

I think it would be best to use the IRC to troubleshoot so it would be easier.
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Ah no wonder. That's all I have lol.
 
MasterBalls said:
It's different though, because if anything Snake has become even more detached and irrelevant from Nintendo since his appearance in Brawl.
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Not at all. In fact, around the time that Sakurai started to work on Smash Bros. 4, Snake Eater 3D was released. Not only was there a MGS 3DS bundle, but the game included Nintendo references like the little Yoshis. Snake was more relevant to Nintendo than ever before when Smash 4 development began.

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I really do think this game's change in direction has a lot to do with Snake's likely absence. Brawl was dull and "gritty," and Snake was intended to be the lone guest character infiltrating the Nintendo roster. (Remember, Sonic was added at the last minute due to fan demand. He wasn't originally planned.)

However, everything is more colorful this time around, we can play as Miis, and Sakurai is really pushing the Mario vs. Pac-Man vs. Sonic vs. Mega Man angle. Snake's inclusion wouldn't be nearly as organic as last time. The Nintendo irrelevance/legal complication arguments are really overthinking it.
 
Ryce said:
I really do think this game's change in direction has a lot to do with Snake's likely absence. Brawl was dull and "gritty," and Snake was intended to be the lone guest character infiltrating the Nintendo roster. (Remember, Sonic was added at the last minute due to fan demand. He wasn't originally planned.)

However, everything is more colorful this time around, we can play as Miis, and Sakurai is really pushing the Mario vs. Pac-Man vs. Sonic vs. Mega Man angle. Snake's inclusion wouldn't be nearly as organic as last time. The Nintendo irrelevance/legal complication arguments are really overthinking it.
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Kojima didn't ask this time so Sakurai didn't add him, simple as that.
I still think he's in the game lol
 
I really want to know if they actually said that Mii/Random thing. I think that would significantly increase Snake's chances. I'm really not expecting him back though.
 
Ryce said:
I really do think this game's change in direction has a lot to do with Snake's likely absence. Brawl was dull and "gritty," and Snake was intended to be the lone guest character infiltrating the Nintendo roster. (Remember, Sonic was added at the last minute due to fan demand. He wasn't originally planned.)

However, everything is more colorful this time around, we can play as Miis, and Sakurai is really pushing the Mario vs. Pac-Man vs. Sonic vs. Mega Man angle. Snake's inclusion wouldn't be nearly as organic as last time. The Nintendo irrelevance/legal complication arguments are really overthinking it.
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The artstyle doesn't matter one bit. For one thing the Zelda characters all still have their "dull and gritty" Twilight Princess designs and Sheik doesn't really look any more colorful than she did in Brawl and I doubt Ganondorf will either, yet they still all fit into the game just fine and so will/would Snake. Besides that's an extremely superficial reason to cut a character. Using that logic, characters like Toon Link shouldn't have made it into Brawl. I'd argue that he fit in Brawl way less than Snake would/will in Smash 4. Toon Link's design was butchered in Brawl, but Snake will/would still look like Snake in Smash 4.

As far as the whole "Mario vs. Pac-Man vs. Sonic vs. Mega Man" thing goes, you really think Sakurai would pass up the chance to embellish Pac-Man's reveal? Especially during E3? Sakurai would have done that whether Snake is in the game or not. He did something similar during Sonic's reveal.
 
JB-the-Hunter said:
The artstyle doesn't matter one bit. For one thing the Zelda characters all still have their "dull and gritty" Twilight Princess designs and Sheik doesn't really look any more colorful than she did in Brawl and I doubt Ganondorf will either, yet they still all fit into the game just fine and so will/would Snake. Besides that's an extremely superficial reason to cut a character. Using that logic, characters like Toon Link shouldn't have made it into Brawl. I'd argue that he fit in Brawl way less than Snake would/will in Smash 4. Toon Link's design was butchered in Brawl, but Snake will/would still look like Snake in Smash 4.

As far as the whole "Mario vs. Pac-Man vs. Sonic vs. Mega Man" thing goes, you really think Sakurai would pass up the chance to embellish Pac-Man's reveal? Especially during E3? Sakurai would have done that whether Snake is in the game or not. He did something similar during Sonic's reveal.
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Have to agree with this. Smash is a crossover that gets a new installment roughly once every 7 years. I don't think that Sakurai would decide a change of the aesthetics would be reason to remove such a unique and popular character without any other factors involved, I just really don't. I can't imagine the backlash from Snake fans upon reading an interview post-release where Sakurai says Snake was cut because he didn't personally feel like he'd fit in as well.
 
SaikyoBro said:
I can't imagine the backlash from Snake fans upon reading an interview post-release where Sakurai says Snake was cut because he didn't personally feel like he'd fit in as well.
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There'd be a "backlash" regardless of Sakurai's reasoning. Snake was explicitly included in Brawl because he wasn't relevant to Nintendo, so obviously that's not why he's being cut. I also don't see why Konami would suddenly refuse Sakurai the character when Smash Bros. is an incredibly successful IP. Snake's exclusion would have to be a conscious decision on Sakurai's part.
 
Ryce said:
There'd be a "backlash" regardless of Sakurai's reasoning. Snake was explicitly included in Brawl because he wasn't relevant to Nintendo, so obviously that's not why he's being cut. I also don't see why Konami would suddenly refuse Sakurai the character when Smash Bros. is an incredibly successful IP. Snake's exclusion would have to be a conscious decision on Sakurai's part.
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I get that that's what you're implying but it just doesn't make sense to me. It's entirely possible, but given various quotes from Sakurai and what we've seen in the series so far it just doesn't seem like the kind of character that Sakurai would cut as a design decision of all things. Sorry if I sound obnoxious putting it like that, but I'm still just not picking up on when exactly everyone decided that he went from a possible cut to completely out of the running (other than the 47 character roster which would admittedly make things look rather grim if it ends up being accurate).

Then again, my uh... amiibo hasn't been working...
 
SaikyoBro said:
Sorry if I sound obnoxious putting it like that, but I'm still just not picking up on when exactly everyone decided that he went from a possible cut to completely out of the running (other than the 47 character roster which would admittedly make things look rather grim if it ends up being accurate).
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The main issue that I see is that Snake is the type of character, like Sonic, that in spite of being a returning veteran, would likely get his own reveal. Without any big upcoming events before launch, I just find it hard to believe that we'd just get Snake in a random picture of the day, or that they'd keep his presence in the game a secret until launch.
 
NeonZ said:
The main issue that I see is that Snake is the type of character, like Sonic, that in spite of being a returning veteran, would likely get his own reveal. Without any big upcoming events before launch, I just find it hard to believe that we'd just get Snake in a random picture of the day, or that they'd keep his presence in the game a secret until launch.
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Much like Sonic, if he's indeed in, he could very well appear in the next Direct.
 
NeonZ said:
The main issue that I see is that Snake is the type of character, like Sonic, that in spite of being a returning veteran, would likely get his own reveal. Without any big upcoming events before launch, I just find it hard to believe that we'd just get Snake in a random picture of the day, or that they'd keep his presence in the game a secret until after launch.
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And again like Sonic, he could be revealed at a Nintendo Direct prior to launch. We generally get them bimonthly so it's a safe bet we'll see one in August, and I don't think that would be a bad time to show him. I've also seen lots of speculation that we could get a second Smash direct since there's clearly a lot we still don't know about the game. That's obviously not something guaranteed, but it's not out of the realm of possibility either.

And as unlikely as it may sound, he could very well be revealed as a "pic of the day" character. There's not a precedent for that I guess since Sonic was shown in a Direct, but when there are only two third-party veterans to speak of that might not mean all that much. We're coming closer to release and with that I think people need to open up their minds a bit regarding what information we're going to be getting and when we're going to get it.
 
I added Mewtwo back to my roster. Between its immense popularity and Sakurai’s “we’re thinking about it,” I can’t help but feel optimistic.

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Once again, the character ordering is based on this. Mii Fighters might be mapped to the random button as “rumored.” I don’t know. Also, in this revised roster, the sci-fi space pilot characters are all grouped together (Metroid, F-Zero, Pikmin, and Star Fox).

I just noticed an odd coincidence — the “headline” characters starting the rows are Mario, Link, Pit, Kirby, Pikachu, and Villager. Guess who the only characters on both the 3DS and Wii U boxes are? (Those six plus Samus.)
 
Ryce said:
I added Mewtwo back to my roster. Between its immense popularity and Sakurai’s “we’re thinking about it,” I can’t help but feel optimistic.

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Once again, the character ordering is based on this. Mii Fighters might be mapped to the random button as “rumored.” I don’t know. Also, in this revised roster, the sci-fi space pilot characters are all grouped together (Metroid, F-Zero, Pikmin, and Star Fox).

I just noticed an odd coincidence — the “headline” characters starting the rows are Mario, Link, Pit, Kirby, Pikachu, and Villager. Guess who the only characters on both the 3DS and Wii U boxes are? (Those six plus Samus.)
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I could really see it going either way. It kinda depends on how literally you want to take Sakurai's quotes I guess. The thing about having the roster decided in early 2012 with a spot being reserved for an X/Y Pokemon sounds pretty scary, but you're right about the "we're thinking about it" quote being pretty hard not to take as meaningful. He could very well be a late addition in the same vein as Sonic in Brawl.

And if not I'm pretty sure between his prominence lately and veteran status he'd be the first in line as a DLC character.
 
SaikyoBro said:
And if not I'm pretty sure between his prominence lately and veteran status he'd be the first in line as a DLC character.
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Yeah; if we do get DLC as rumored (I have no reason to doubt Gematsu at this point), Mewtwo's a shoo-in. He and Dixie Kong are the two potential DLC characters I'm most certain about. They're both major characters who experienced a "revival" shortly after the planning period.
 
I'm big on Mewtwo, Snake and Dixie and think they could all be in the game or DLC, but the one character unaccounted for that I really wanted but I'm pretty sure won't be present in any form at this point is Takamaru, and I'm pretty bummed out by that. He's got such a cool design, and imagining what he'd bring to the game got me super psyched up to see him. Imagining a stage that's a Japanese castle at night with sakura petals raining down and a remix of his theme playing... dammit, man. He would've been awesome.

At least some of his elements will be incorporated in the form of Greninja (throwing shurikens, disappearing in a cloud of smoke, etc.), but that's totally different from having a legit samurai in the game. Oh well, maybe in Smash 5.
 
SaikyoBro said:
I'm big on Mewtwo, Snake and Dixie and think they could all be in the game or DLC, but the one character unaccounted for that I really wanted but I'm pretty sure won't be present in any form at this point is Takamaru, and I'm pretty bummed out by that. He's got such a cool design, and imagining what he'd bring to the game got me super psyched up to see him. Imagining a stage that's a Japanese castle at night with sakura petals raining down and a remix of his theme playing... dammit, man. He would've been awesome.

At least some of his elements will be incorporated in the form of Greninja (throwing shurikens, disappearing in a cloud of smoke, etc.), but that's totally different from having a legit samurai in the game. Oh well, maybe in Smash 5.
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IntelliHeath said:
Please list them so we can compare them.
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I hadn't watched E3 since it aired, but I remember a bunch of their moves looking similar to some other character's moves.

Watching it again, there are some similarities to Samus' d-tilt, Charge Shot, and Final Smash, Mario's u-tilt, and ZSS' up-b (in particular). Their movesets will be pretty original by the looks of things, but I wouldn't count him out solely based on the inclusion of shuriken.

If all else fails, you can make a swordfighter Mii to fill the void :P
 
Wow I would like to join PM with you guys. I'm using Wii U right now but dunno if homebrew or PM works on it so I mainly play it on PC and Dolphin. Will the online setups work on PC too? I can try them later.
 
random25 said:
Wow I would like to join PM with you guys. I'm using Wii U right now but dunno if homebrew or PM works on it so I mainly play it on PC and Dolphin. Will the online setups work on PC too? I can try them later.
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From what I keep reading, homebrew works on Wii U in the wii mode. You can also use the HACKLESS method.
 
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