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I imagine parts of the GB community have been harassing her all day.

This.

Really this.

Just leave the woman alone. Of course she's seemingly overreacting sometimes, but a large portion of the toxic background noise she has to endure comes her way from the GB community. Just look at what happens whenever her name comes up.

I can't blame her.
 
From the sound of it, some so-called GB fans are targeting Leigh with abuse. She s lashing out with tweets at the GB community and staff.

Both sides are making bad moves here.
 
I'd be perfectly fine if we put a moratorium on talking about Leigh Alexander in this thread. She's paid for whatever sins against GB she committed, and talking about her tweets and the like accomplishes absolutely nothing.

If nothing else, she doesn't really deserve a lot of the harassment she's received since that night.

She had two bad nights on the Bombcast, it's clear that she doesn't like Giant Bomb and (many of) the fans of Giant Bomb don't like her. Let's just move on, shall we?
 
I definitely think there's some people that are in the wrong for blaming Giant Bomb exclusively, as if they've done a big misgiving to the gaming journalist community, but I also feel that this hiring news is also just being used as a focal point for larger industry issues. As an African-American myself and someone who at one point (and still sometimes does) considered wanting to get into gaming journalism, news like this is really discouraging and the industry as a whole is disheartening as well. People say they hired the "best person for the job" but if the industry continues to play out the way it has for however long, then the "best person for the job" will NEVER be a minority, woman etc.

And why? Because the best person for the job will always be "generic white dude #3" who probably has 10+ years of experience, has lived in New York or Cali the majority of their lives and is likely already friends with the same other 100 or so people that have held the same positions for years.

So how is a minority or woman ever supposed to even reach a position where they become the "best person for the job" when the majority of the time they're never given the opportunity for any advancement or even the chance to build a portfolio of credible work on the same level as a Dan Ryckert when all the jobs all go to the same people?

It's the equivalent of Hollywood casting the same 10 or 12 guys for the same leading roles in films year after year and when the directors are questioned for their hiring procedures they go "hey man, I just hired the best guy for the role, he's a proven actor with years of experience!" Well no shit, none of the new guys ever really got a chance to show what they could do because you always go with same bets that have already been established. No one is asking for sites like GB to force diversity for the sake of diversity but the truth is that diversity in large part is never going to "naturally happen" if the industry never opens itself to "naturally change" and present new opportunities

Times are changing though and sites like Twitch and YouTube have opened up the door for people to make names for themselves in new ways that sidestep a lot of these problems but it's still an issue regardless. If history has shown us anything though, whether it be television, film, music, art, etc., if minorities or women want to have positions in these fields, they have to create their own things as the majority of the industry will never really give a fuck about you and remain a closed-off revolving door of the same faces gobbling up the lions' share of the work.

I don't want this post to come off as angry or bitter, because I love Giant Bomb and the duders like everybody else does and have been a huge fan for years. I look forward to seeing what Dan and Jason bring to the table for GB and feel they were great hires, but we can't deny the greater issue at hand and pretend it's not a problem that doesn't exist.
All valid points, I just don't think it's right to force it.
 
At some point, GB fans also need to be less emotional and vehement in their desire to dive upon any perceived grenades lobbed at them.

They can take care of themselves, everyone should chill.
 
Attention seeking. She knows the comments will get caught, talked about, idiots will abuse her on twitter and she'll get to continue believing she did no wrong, the community is evil and was witch hunted after her embarrassing appearances.

She also agreed with quite a nasty tweet suggesting GB was for industry veterens who "can't retire". She feels GB hung her out to dry and likes to get her digs in now and then.

And then all the legitimate criticism gets drowned out, doing her friends a disservice (but no one will call the top dog out on it). It's great.


I don' think it's fair to assume she is just doing it for attention. Nobody can read into her mind and her motives. I think it much more likely that it is just (ill advised) lashing out. I agree with you as to the result, though.
 
Does this mean we get to skip the "I hate the new guy, he doesn't fit at all" stuff? Or do we have to do that too?

Dan is one of the most "new guy backlash" proof people they could have hired. Second to only Danny O'Dwyer.

At some point, GB fans also need to be less emotional and vehement in their desire to dive upon any perceived grenades lobbed at them.

They can take care of themselves, everyone should chill.

The level of sycophancy that some display for their Internet Dads is really creepy.
 
At some point, GB fans also need to be less emotional and vehement in their desire to dive upon any perceived grenades lobbed at them.

They can take care of themselves, everyone should chill.

Yup. Don't see what was gained from posting that tweet. "Yay let's hate on someone that's hating on something!"
 
I listen to the podcast weekly, I watch most, if not all of Giant Bomb's content. I've been subscriber for a little over 2 years now.

And I can't believe how almost worshiped these guys are. The sleuthing and the weird stalker-like behavior some of the community has is NUTS to me.
 
All valid points, I just don't think it's right to force it.

But the problem is how do you NOT force it? As he pointed out, the cycle just keeps repeating itself otherwise unless there is a conscious effort to avoid it. The problem isn't some conspiracy of people all set out to discriminate against those from different backgrounds. Rather it is a result of the naturalized hierarchy and sub culture within the gaming industry. As he correctly points out, unless people make a conscious effort to go outside of the safe bets and traditional hires, they most well known and most experienced will continue to be the same group they always have with little way in for anybody else.
 
Seems like some members of the community are being awful on Twitter towards some of the detractors. Not surprising (I'll mark that down to the community being big and there of course being bad apples there, not the community being "toxic" or anything like that), but still sucks.
 
I don' think it's fair to assume she is just doing it for attention. Nobody can read into her mind and her motives. I think it much more likely that it is just (ill advised) lashing out. I agree with you as to the result, though.
I'd agree with you but it's not the first time she's said incendiary things about GB and the community, then quickly deleted the tweets.

Either say it and engage the conversation (and abuse, unfortunately), or don't.
 
Leigh didn't apply. She just likes to put the boot in to giant bomb. The "community" should let it go but then she does keep poking them with a stick.
 
I'd agree with you but it's not the first time she's said incendiary things about GB and the community, then quickly deleted the tweets.

Either say it and engage the conversation (and abuse, unfortunately), or don't.
I dunno, at some point, for some people, twitter becomes as natural as speaking normally. You type something out because you're angry, then realize you shouldn't have said it or saying it only invites more abuse, and you take it down.
 
Attention seeking. She knows the comments will get caught, talked about, idiots will abuse her on twitter and she'll get to continue believing she did no wrong, the community is evil and was witch hunted after her embarrassing appearances.

She also agreed with quite a nasty tweet suggesting GB was for industry veterens who "can't retire". She feels GB hung her out to dry and likes to get her digs in now and then.

And then all the legitimate criticism gets drowned out, doing her friends a disservice (but no one will call the top dog out on it). It's great.

Where did it all come from? The 775 thing?
 
Undoubtedly poor form. But I emphathize with the frustrations. Hell, I pretty much knew it was a tremendous stretch when I was hoping they might pick up Jeff Green, a old straight Jewish white dude. I don't have any particular affinity for Leigh Alexander and in fact I quite often disagree with her opinions, but it's pretty clear how the deck is stacked.

Eh, Jeff would represent a different demographic that's even more underutilized, the demographic of over 50 gamers. That's a mindset that you rarely get unless...well..you're listening to a podcast with Jeff Green.

Or Leo Laporte.

While I would really like a female cast member on GB, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that I would classify as a good fit. The one person who I think would mesh well with the group is Tina Sanchez, and there's no way she's leaving Activision to back into games journalism.

I mean help me out. Who is a good female GB candidate? Every female games journalist I can think of right now is either freelance and questionable or working directly for a publisher.
 
Who is a good female GB candidate? Every female games journalist I can think of right now is either freelance and questionable or working directly for a publisher.
Gouskos is the only one up to the task. Of course she's on another level entirely at this point, no way she's going back.
 
I mean help me out. Who is a good female GB candidate? Every female games journalist I can think of right now is either freelance and questionable or working directly for a publisher.

Carrie. People keep saying that this or that would be a good fit, but a 30 minute appearance on a panel is different to working with someone for years.
 
I dunno, at some point, for some people, twitter becomes as natural as speaking normally. You type something out because you're angry, then realize you shouldn't have said it or saying it only invites more abuse, and you take it down.

Twitter is also an awful place to have a serious discussion about anything because of the character limit and how easy a lot of people go directly to abuse there. It's just an awful venue for anything of substance.
 
Where did it all come from? The 775 thing?

More likely it's due to the lack of effort in stopping the fallout from the 775 thing, which honestly isn't the responsibility of the GB crew. That stuff is chronicled in time, and it's no one's fault but her own. She got two shots, that's more than most people get.

But, having said that, the grand majority of this ire is probably due to the fact that she got drunk on a live podcast and was ostracized by the entire gaming community for months and that 775 thing is going to be her scarlet letter forever; and then; Dave Lang and Johnny V get drunk on live podcasts all the time, and it's seen as endearing and part of their personas. It's a really touchy double standard that really isn't fair towards her.

Carrie. People keep saying that this or that would be a good fit, but a 30 minute appearance on a panel is different to working with someone for years.

But why would she leave Mythic?
 
I'd agree with you but it's not the first time she's said incendiary things about GB and the community, then quickly deleted the tweets.

Either say it and engage the conversation (and abuse, unfortunately), or don't.

if she was doing it for attention she'd leave the post up. I'm sure everyone has said something in an argument that they then immediately wish they could take back.

I don't see why that's a concept that's so hard to understand.
 
Where did it all come from? The 775 thing?
Yeah, she's now turned this conversation back on that again and is calling out the editors to denounce their community's abuse.

She's not let it go and brings it up more often than this thread.

It's like she's given all the valid criticism regarding the hires 5 minutes, then decided its time to make it about her again.

Ryan was right.
 
That's the thing, he was just as drunk and abrasive. Actually, perhaps even more so. I went back and watched Leigh's GB appearances, and Miller is actually disruptive in a way she kind of wasn't. I mean, she was just drunk. He was throwing shit around and coming back to wipe chicken shirts on John Drake, except this time it was apparently endearing.

I found that shit just as unwatchable as Leigh's appearances. Loudmouthed, obnoxious drunks aren't funny.
 
More likely it's due to the lack of effort in stopping the fallout from the 775 thing, which honestly isn't the responsibility of the GB crew. That stuff is chronicled in time, and it's no one's fault but her own. She got two shots, that's more than most people get.

But, having said that, the grand majority of this ire is probably due to the fact that she got drunk on a live podcast and was ostracized by the entire gaming community for months and that 775 thing is going to be her scarlet letter forever; and then; Dave Lang and Johnny V get drunk on live podcasts all the time, and it's seen as endearing and part of their personas. It's a really touchy double standard that really isn't fair towards her.

I will say that the bolded plus the Greg Miller antics not resulting in anywhere near the same reaction as Leigh's drunken night have made me somewhat uncomfortable.

It's difficult to argue against the idea that there's at least an appearance of a double-standard.
 
JEFF:"Dear people acting like shit on the internet in the name of Giant Bomb: You don’t represent us or our community. Stop it."

GIANT BOMB :"For the record, we don't discuss specific moderations publicly. This has always been our policy."

Whats going on...?
 
But why would she leave Mythic?

Pretty sure she already left Mythic cause EA closed Mythic some weeks ago

JEFF:"Dear people acting like shit on the internet in the name of Giant Bomb: You don’t represent us or our community. Stop it."

GIANT BOMB :"For the record, we don't discuss specific moderations publicly. This has always been our policy."

Whats going on...?

If I had to guess? Assholes attacking people on Twitter who were disappointed with the new hires "in the name of GB"
 
I will say that the bolded plus the Greg Miller antics not resulting in anywhere near the same reaction as Leigh's drunken night have made me somewhat uncomfortable.

It's difficult to argue against the idea that there's at least an appearance of a double-standard.

Granted, he wasn't screaming over people, but yeah, his behavior wasn't any better than hers, but everyone thought he was funny.

::Shrugs:: I don't know man.

Pretty sure she already left Mythic cause EA closed Mythic some weeks ago

Oh, well then.
 
I guess some bad stuff has been going on in the Giant Bomb community. It's always sad to see this kind of stuff happen, especially now. I mean, this should be an exciting time for duders everywhere.
 
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This is the bad side of the Internet as a whole. Regardless of if it is a Giant Bomb fan, a Call of Duty fan or a One Direction fan, when mob mentality grips a fanbase the bad side of everyone is on show.
 
JEFF:"Dear people acting like shit on the internet in the name of Giant Bomb: You don’t represent us or our community. Stop it."

GIANT BOMB :"For the record, we don't discuss specific moderations publicly. This has always been our policy."

Whats going on...?

I imagine what's being talked about here is also being talked about on the Giantbomb forums.
 
JEFF:"Dear people acting like shit on the internet in the name of Giant Bomb: You don’t represent us or our community. Stop it."

GIANT BOMB :"For the record, we don't discuss specific moderations publicly. This has always been our policy."

Whats going on...?

The week is turning in a bit of a clusterfuck. None of it really GB's fault.

First all the controversy everywhere in general over the hires
Then Leigh running her show again
Jeff calling out people bitching about it
Rorie repeating the moderation rules
The mod twitter account kerfuffle this morning...

Yikes.
 
Eh, Jeff would represent a different demographic that's even more underutilized, the demographic of over 50 gamers. That's a mindset that you rarely get unless...well..you're listening to a podcast with Jeff Green.

Or Leo Laporte.

While I would really like a female cast member on GB, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that I would classify as a good fit. The one person who I think would mesh well with the group is Tina Sanchez, and there's no way she's leaving Activision to back into games journalism.

I mean help me out. Who is a good female GB candidate? Every female games journalist I can think of right now is either freelance and questionable or working directly for a publisher.

Well the fact that we don't know about them is kind of damning in and of itself, right?

But Cara Elison, Kat Bailey, Daniel Riendeau are all good examples I think. I particularly like the former two.

But I agree Jeff Green would have also been an underrepresented demographic and I honestly think that is held against him too. I mean who the fuck has more experience in the game's industry than Jeff Green? Yet the dude ended up going game testing pretty much admitting it wasn't his first choice of gigs because he couldn't find a gig doing what he's most qualified to do.
 
JEFF:"Dear people acting like shit on the internet in the name of Giant Bomb: You don’t represent us or our community. Stop it."

GIANT BOMB :"For the record, we don't discuss specific moderations publicly. This has always been our policy."

Whats going on...?

Someone tattled I guess.
 
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