Ah, the good old "I'm enjoying it so all objective analysis of this thing is dumb" and the "hey guys let's ignore tech analysis who cares the game is fun" in a tech analysis thread.
Sniper Elite 3 Digital Foundry Face-Off
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Ah, the good old "I'm enjoying it so all objective analysis of this thing is dumb" and the "hey guys let's ignore tech analysis who cares the game is fun" in a tech analysis thread.
thats what I thought it might of been but those shots are from the video and they dont load any better. It seems like the X1 version has better tessellation and textures in some spots?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aItGKOjrKBQ#t=103
but here the PS4 has the better road texture and has better textures elsewhere
It just seems odd that the PS4 is generally the better looking but the X1 seems to be superior in some spots?
WeAreStarStuff
Member
I never expected this game to be such a graphical treat, but I've been consistently floored by the IQ I've seen for the PS4. This is not really my type of game, but I'll likely pick it up when it is on sale.
The character is identical in other shots. The textures just didn't stream in time for that scene.
geordiemp
Member
Read somewhere it could be LOD transition as well.
Either way I cant watch that video, tearing gives me a headache (it really does), my eyes try to refocus after each tear.
So many games last gen I just could not play for more than a few minutes I often wait to buy games after DF analysis / lens Truth (anybody) to avoid them.
You see in the video the textures dont get better so its not a texture streaming issue.
For the couple seconds they show of that scene. They likely load after.
It's the player character, there would never be an intentional difference that large.
geordiemp
Member
but here the PS4 has the better road texture and has better textures elsewhere
It just seems odd that the PS4 is generally the better looking but the X1 seems to be superior in some spots?
I never understand why a game does not just show a cut scene and get all the texture data into RAM and then run.
Just a thought, DF did not say what hard drives were being used in Ps4 and Xb1, maybe Xb1 had an external SSD and benefited in some streaming areas..?
Well it is still a texture streaming issue as the texture is not loaded, maybe texture streaming bugs in both versions could be a better description ?
If this is just DF picking out a few texture streaming bugs and its not across the board, its just a few bugs and shows lack of final polish imo
feint_ruled
Member
Perhaps so much energy has been devoted to hitting 1080p as the headline figure, they are prepared to let other stuff slide as it is more subjective?
Anyway, I don't think its invalid to say that differences are due to hardware, as it needs more optimisation precisely because of that weaker hardware.
iceatcs
Junior Member
The multiplatform titles showing.
It was just resolution gap which it is nothing big about it, Now we have see more of textures, filters, shadow and big average framerate difference from many later titles.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Shame about the xbox version. I will be picking this up soon!
IIRC it's rarely just resolution gap. there's usually additional graphical differences as well
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Not a big difference.
Jimmyfenix
Member
For me the x ray kills is the best thing about this franchise.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
so i played a round of the PS3 version, there's some micro tearing almost all the time, and the frame rate is kind of jittery .. but its got better shadows than the xbone version .. so its got that going for it.
the screen tearing in the xbox one version is terrible
Summer Haze
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I'd say a lack of texture filtering, lower res shadows, worse framerate, and tons of screen tearing is a pretty big difference.
But that's just me.
travisbickle
Member
The developers did tweak things down to get it running smoother. At this point, you have to admit MS should have tweaked things up.
whatevermort
Member
Yes. In exactly the same way that, last gen, they blamed devs for bad PS3 performance. Lots of things can be fixed and optimised that aren't. It's not always about brute force.
I never understood the tearing thing and what's so bad about it, but now... oh god :/
I never imagined that much of a difference
I don't mind or even notice screen tearing for most games that people complain about, but this game in particular looks bad.
LowerLevel
Member
Yeah, I'll wait for the Games with Gold version at a later date.
That or the PC/Ps4 version whenever I build/buy one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgUC7DVCOEQ&list=PL_QtSMEGimbzxemwgChMS0MOJp6j8-lfO#t=27
It appears to be for cut scenes only. still odd.
InFamousRaiden
Banned
HOLY.. it matches PC on ultra ?
I am getting PS4 ver as soon as the price comes down a bit.
I am getting PS4 ver as soon as the price comes down a bit.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Can't wait to finally play it. Just picked the game up.
With the update you get 30fps kinda of locked with little tearing, so the experience should still be good on X1. Hell still looks a pretty decent experience on 360/ps3
garbagejuicer
Neo Member
I own it for XB1. I hate screen tearing so I turned vsync on immediately. I think it looks great and plays awesome.
Are there any noticeable frame dips with v sync enabled?
Threefingered
Banned
I am not ignoring it. I love the DF analysis articles... All I am saying is that the experience was great until I came here and saw how "terrible" the version I am playing is...
It's an awesome game that runs at 1080p with an option for locked 30 or unlocked 60fps....Isn't that what we have all been clamoring for the most?
I am enjoying it immensely, regardless of the "lesser" version and anyone who picks up the X1 version will too.
AgentOtaku
Member
not cool xbox, not cool...
Infernal Monkey
Member
Goodness, this article is a poorly written mess.
My fucking brain.
You are ignoring it and mentioning anecdotal evidence in a thread with empirical evidence. And then you conclude you're enjoying it and so will other people.
These threads are to let people know which console version is the best for multiplatform games. If you can't deal with the very premise of the thread you should probably just enjoy games without getting into technical minutae.
PS3 was something different, a way different architecture .
PS4 and XB1 use the same CPU same gpu manufacturer ...
3D only on ps4 ?
chickdigger802
Banned
so what is the general consensus on xb1 vs ps4 right stick for shooters?
Picked up a xb1 controller for my pc the other day (been using DS4 for a while), the sticks are noticeably different compare to ds4 and 360. Not played with it enough to feel if I like it better or not.
Picked up a xb1 controller for my pc the other day (been using DS4 for a while), the sticks are noticeably different compare to ds4 and 360. Not played with it enough to feel if I like it better or not.
geordiemp
Member
Oh cut scenes only - great, no issues...
As long as its not the main game then missing textures only on a cut scene is no harm for either version.
Summer Haze
Banned
It's not so much to do with the sticks, but the resistance of the sticks. At least for me, anyway. I find the resistance in the DS4 sticks to be perfect. They're not as stiff as the 360 controller sticks were, but they're stiffer than the PS3's controller sticks. Whereas the X1 sticks are looser than them all.
I dunno, i just feel like i have more control over my movement with the DS4. Which is a problem i had with the DS3, and a problem i have when playing Titanfall on X1. I don't feel confident when i aim.
Unfortunately, it's the same in-game too -
Is it just me or are the screenshots now showing? Here are the links instead -
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/9/1/6/6/5/XO_025.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/9/1/6/6/5/PS4_025.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/9/1/6/6/5/XO_016.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/9/1/6/6/5/PS4_016.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
craigrushforth
Member
The real stand out feature for me has been the stereoscopic 3D on PS4. For some reason though there seems to be more cross talk on the night stages. Looks incredible on the day stages though.
EL CUCO
Member
I think PC has the option as well.
geordiemp
Member
Probably the one you have been using last
Always get used to controllers and its always hard switching for a short while.
For me DS4 > 360 >>>> DS3
My 360 sticks all suffer from drift (not centre perfectly), DS4 needs thumb grips and then perfect.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
I Just see it like somone who has a 7770 video card and somone who has a 7850 video card, the person with the 7850 will have the better version, though its does not mean the person with the 7770 will be disappointed, it just wont be as good. hell i play sniper elite v2 on a 5450 lol.
I would get the PS4 version because its better, but im sure I would still enjoy the X1 version probably just as much there seems to be nothing about it which makes it a poor experience in comparison to the PS4 version.
when people say things like ''shame about the x1 version''
it sounds like they think the X1 is broken in some way, pure hyperbole. The PS4 just has more polish,its the pristine console version as opposed to the very good console version.
Yeah I agree....
PS4/PC owners should definitely pick it up, it's a surprise hit for me as I didn't expect it to be so awesome. Been using the share button overtime.
I mean, at some point Digital Foundry is going to decide whether these graphical inconsistencies are the fault of hardware gaps between PC/PS4 and XB1, or the fault of the devs. To say that it needed more time in the oven is to blame the devs, and that's not fair considering how well the PS4 version turned out.
To put it another way: theoretically the PS3 versions of games compared to XB360 could turn out comparable or even better if they were optimized to take full advantage of the Cell processor. That literally never happened for multiplatform games. Does that mean third party ports were unoptimized and should have fared better with more time in the oven? Or can we place some blame on the hardware itself? At some point, you can't blame devs for working with complex architecture.
And tweaking things down to get it running smoother? XB1 already has v-sync off, no "obscurance fields effect," little anisotropic filtering, lower quality textures, lower quality shadows, lesser texture filtering...what more did you want them to do? And if you say "lower the resolution" in a game that fundamentally depends on picking out tiny targets in the far distance, well, no, they made the right decision for 1080p.
I mean, at some point Digital Foundry is going to decide whether these graphical inconsistencies are the fault of hardware gaps between PC/PS4 and XB1, or the fault of the devs. To say that it needed more time in the oven is to blame the devs, and that's not fair considering how well the PS4 version turned out.
To put it another way: theoretically the PS3 versions of games compared to XB360 could turn out comparable or even better if they were optimized to take full advantage of the Cell processor. That literally never happened for multiplatform games. Does that mean third party ports were unoptimized and should have fared better with more time in the oven? Or can we place some blame on the hardware itself? At some point, you can't blame devs for working with complex architecture.
And tweaking things down to get it running smoother? XB1 already has v-sync off, no "obscurance fields effect," little anisotropic filtering, lower quality textures, lower quality shadows, lesser texture filtering...what more did you want them to do? And if you say "lower the resolution" in a game that fundamentally depends on picking out tiny targets in the far distance, well, no, they made the right decision for 1080p.
TheCanisDirus
Member
I have all 3 current gen consoles and the DS4 is by far my favorite for shooters. The XB1's pad is great too i just don't like the triggers or bumpers as much as the 360s. Sony nailed the controller this gen. Noticeable mention to the WIii U Pro Controller... thing would be perfection with analog triggers.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
I was pretty happy with the visuals on PC. It's an okay upgrade over what we got in Sniper V2, but a lot of it seems to be from better visual direction in the levels. The tessellation is probably the nicest new addition (I'm pretty sure V2 had none).
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Night usually means higher contrast between light and dark which makes crosstalk more visible.