Lucina, Robin AND FEMALE ROBIN, & Captain Falcon Are Today's Smash Newcomers!
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The various Mega Mans in the blue bomber's final smash are all highly detailed too, but I don't think all five of them were ever going to be playable. Sora modelers just take pride in their work, I guess.
The rest sounds like we're just making excuses for the leaker. And if his info is that outdated, or he's that confused over who is who, then his leaks are useless. Wrong leaks are worse than no leaks; just ask any Xenoblade fans today.
SporeCrawler
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i like lucina and robin but captain falcon is the big news for me
FALCON PUNCH!
FALCON PUNCH!
Coffee Dog
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It's very likely that Shulk and the Chorus Men are in the game, but given the nature of his Chrom fuckup, could be assist trophies or something. Obviously the leaker, if true, isn't privy to the whole picture, and could make mistakes like that.
I didn't even know who Robin was until he/she appeared in the trailer.
And I played FE:A lol.
As far as I remember Chrom, Lucina, and MC were all fairly boring/generic characters so I'm not hype ta see any of 'em included, nor the older FE dudes cause I don't like how boring they felt ta play!
But I accept 'em anyhow cause why not.
And I played FE:A lol.
As far as I remember Chrom, Lucina, and MC were all fairly boring/generic characters so I'm not hype ta see any of 'em included, nor the older FE dudes cause I don't like how boring they felt ta play!
But I accept 'em anyhow cause why not.
My playthrough of Awakening was deemed canonical meaning all but 6 people from that game died, Donnel included.
Mysterious
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Anyone?
Like I said maybe he didn´t just guess out of the blue, but it wasn´t my point if or not he knew what characters would be in. My point is that besides the WFT all the other confirmed characters have been likely candidates in my opinion due to the success (Mii), popularity/request (Mac), precedent (Pokemon/Fire Emblem) and partnership with BandaiNamco (PacMan). I also haven´t seen anyone guessing the WFT but it´s also true that the WiiFit games have been among the huge-sellers last gen.
Xenoblade has been popular that´s also a reason why quite a few want or guess Shulk to be in the game. About the chorus kids, in this case it´s more like I simply would prefer other representives of the franchise than anything else.
HawthorneKitty
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sorakirosaki
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HawthorneKitty
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That's why you hook him up with a choice lady and pass his skills on to make his kid the superstar of the second generation. I paired him up with Cordelia and Severa was rocking both insane stats, Swordthrift and Gale Force. Too bad Severa is also a platinum bitch...
Baron von Loathsome
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Fair enough, and given what went down today, I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone else, assuming the leaker can still be trusted.
Roy two-hit kills Idoun I believe. And the legion of mamkutes the chapter before. Far from useless. Really, it's a FE tradition to have shitty lords until Hector. We've all been spoiled after that.
Kraatu
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Well guys as of right now the smash bros game must be already done or in debug testing for release in september... It wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that maybe chrom got cut out during development or maybe he is even playable somehow and we're already discarding the gematsu leak.
What I mean is, some characters like Rosalina could have been included later than the leak and do not disprove the validity of it. And if one of the characters of the leak doesn't show up and all others do, for me the leak still counts as valid.
We've all seen many games change a lot during development with whole areas or parts of a story being cutout. And as a matter of fact it is impossible to make a prediction of the newcomers of smash with such precision as the sal romano leak, because after all we all make our own dream rosters and half of the characters don't show up in the final game.
It is to early to disprove anything if one character isn't in the game, only for us to find traces of the character inside the disk as it was with Toon Zelda, Mewtwo, Roy, and Dixie...
What I mean is, some characters like Rosalina could have been included later than the leak and do not disprove the validity of it. And if one of the characters of the leak doesn't show up and all others do, for me the leak still counts as valid.
We've all seen many games change a lot during development with whole areas or parts of a story being cutout. And as a matter of fact it is impossible to make a prediction of the newcomers of smash with such precision as the sal romano leak, because after all we all make our own dream rosters and half of the characters don't show up in the final game.
It is to early to disprove anything if one character isn't in the game, only for us to find traces of the character inside the disk as it was with Toon Zelda, Mewtwo, Roy, and Dixie...
phoenix296
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I have a sudden urge to replay Awakening a 4th time after that trailer haha
Booty Patrol
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Ugh, if Lucina is a clone I hope there's enough to set her apart from Marth. Kinda like Toon/Link I guess.
NeonZ
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The problem here is that you're assuming that all these leaks that appeared months from each other have the same validity, just because they were published by the same person - even though we don't know how his source got his information.
Like I had been saying before, and was heavily criticized for it, the first leak seems real, but the second leak really hasn't done enough to prove itself. It only has gotten one character accurately (Palutena). Its other hit was very vague ("Pokemon XY")... and now it was just plain wrong. The second list really hasn't done any better than many fan guesses.
Sword of Seals is broke, not the character. Other issue he has is that game favors mounted units and welp he is kinda slow.
And fixed the true op Lord for you.
That's why you hook him up with a choice lady and pass his skills on to make his kid the superstar of the second generation. I paired him up with Cordelia and Severa was rocking both insane stats, Swordthrift and Gale Force. Too bad Severa is also a platinum bitch...
That is the worst combo for both Donnel and Cordelia, has Severa will have both of those by default.
ShockingAlberto
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I dunno, Sakurai said the list is finalized before development even starts. It could possibly make sense that Chrom didn't get very far in development and was axed, but it's exceedingly unlikely that Chrom was axed and then replaced by Robin and Lucina without the leaker knowing.
I'll point out for the third time that the leak we got that included Chrom wasn't the first leak which was the 100% accurate E3 2013 leak. It was purportedly the same person, but none of us, even the Gematsu editor, can really be sure that's the case. It's possible, of the three leaks, only one or two of them were legitimate, or all three had incomplete information and chose to fill in the blanks themselves.
After all, the supposed sole leaker insisted today would be Shulk. It's one thing to say "Oh it was a FEA character but not the one he thought," but he was pretty sure about what today's reveal would be and it's not even the same series.
RMS Gigantic
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I absolutely love that the Arwing not only has functioning ailerons, but even spoilers! Presumably someone in the development team has at least a passing interest in aerodynamics.
Kraatu
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Aw, I always thought the leak was one thing that included both WFT and Villager and the rest of the characters, but as two parts it makes sense in my head now. The second part may be fake
Yes, as of the post above I understood why many people disprove the leak because of the second part of it.
But as Sakurai is a smart guy, he probably knows about the leak and still wants to have the surprises going so he could've changed the character to be revealed.
For me Rosalina kinda proves that the leak could work as she wasn't listed and still appeared anyway... I still have my hopes for Shulk!
Cow Mengde
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Robin has no canon looks, colors, or even voice. It's all up to the player.
What does this even mean? By the same token, Hector is outclassed by the many mounted units in FE7, and Hector is even slower than Roy, both in speed and movement.
The truth is he has decent growths all around stifled by a late promotion. The Roy is hated by the FE community thing is overblown, but this is NeoGAF I suppose.
Admiral Woofington
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He does have a canon look though, what he starts at when you begin the game. Just like the villager in Animal Crossing tends to have a look they use for ads or posters, aka the vanilla. As to voice that's less of an issue since most of the shit he says are the names of characters or grunts. Choosing a canon voice won't bring down cities.
Oni Link 666
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The celshaded parts looked so good. I wonder if that's in the Wii U version or just for the video. Celshaded Captain Falcom looked pretty cool.
sorakirosaki
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i just really like the default hair :/Baron von Loathsome
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Almost certainly just the video.
phoenix296
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If they chose who I think they chose to be his voice I'm really not going to like playing as him. The female Robin sounds fine.
Coffee Dog
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leatherhat
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They both do
Mac and Palutena also had stylized intros.
Baron von Loathsome
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Oh shit.
In regards to the leaker saying Shulk would be shown today: I think that's easily explained by him knowing (or thinking he knows) the characters, but not necessarily when or where they'll be shown.
So let's say he's legit. He knows Shulk is in, and when he sees Monolith Soft retweet, he assumes that this time (like previous occasions with X trailers) it will be Xenoblade-related. It's a bad assumption for him to make, of course, but it doesn't preclude the possibility he had some level of access at some other point in time.
So let's say he's legit. He knows Shulk is in, and when he sees Monolith Soft retweet, he assumes that this time (like previous occasions with X trailers) it will be Xenoblade-related. It's a bad assumption for him to make, of course, but it doesn't preclude the possibility he had some level of access at some other point in time.
Fair enough. Although in regards to the first leak, it's worth noting that in addition to Wii Fit Trainer, it was also remarkable how Villager and Mega Man were included, since at the time we were all operating under the assumption that Villager wasn't an option (Sakurai having said so himself during Brawl), and we were also under the impression that Mega Man was an inactive franchise we shouldn't expect to see anytime soon.
The problem with the "early in development" theory is that the first leak was very specific in its timing: the leaker claimed that a specific list of characters was going to be announced at or soon after E3. That first leak ended up being rather accurate, if some of the timeframe didn't hold true. However, it does reveal one key detail: the leaker was primarily privy to some of Nintendo's 2013 E3 plans. In fact, considering the leak was only released just prior to E3, that may have been the main avenue through which the leaker acquired his information.
2013 E3 isn't at all what I would call "early in development". It was well more than a year into development and, if the current release schedule holds, halfway done. I think it is safe to assume that the complete roster was finalized by then. In particular, we know that they had decided on Greninja as the X/Y rep well before X/Y's release, and Pokemon X/Y was only a few short months away from release. So, by the time the first, accurate, leak was made, it is very likely that Greninja was already decided upon as a character and already being developed as a Smash character.
So I think the immediacy and accuracy of the original leak contradicts the idea that the leaker was only involved in an early phase of development. Instead, it is much more likely that the leaker is someone who only got a partial snapshot of information halfway into the game's development. Thus you can't use the excuse that the leaker only saw early development stuff to excuse their mistakes. Their mistakes are their mistakes: they are proof that any information after the first leak is unreliable.
In any case, the idea that the leaker only had access to early development information is pure supposition with no corroborating evidence. And if some of the claims that the leaker mistook one character for another are true, all that does is further distance the leaker from genuinely reliable information. In short, the first leak was accurate, but the leaker has given us no reason to think the rest of the information will be accurate.
No Chrom, i am sad.
Does anybody else feel that Lucina's face looks a little pale/bland in the game? Maybe its not ANIME enough for me, i don't know.
It bothers me too but it looks like they based her and Robin's faces off their models in Awakening.
You're assuming that the leaker shared what he found as soon as he found it, and thus inferring from this that if he spoke around E3, he must've learned what he did at E3. But it's entirely possible he learned everything well before E3, back when the roster started coming together in 2012 (or whenever), and simply didn't speak until shortly before E3 2013. By which point, some details might've changed (including original plans for the reveal schedule).
Dark Ninja
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Just for the video they were trying to match FE:Awakening's cinematics
Robin's Final Smash should have been a Marriage Proposal
MistaBowaa
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Not going to lie, this lineup is making me seriously reconsider purchasing a WiiU. But we're adopting our first child, and money is tight. Plus 2015 looks to be an amazing year for the PS4. Here's hoping Amazon does some sweet Black Friday deals, this year or next
Fire Emblem 6 is a game that favors units with high movement just like FE 4.
FE 4 due to the fact that the maps were huge.
FE 6 due to the turn limits for the gaiden Maps.
Hector was an axe user with armor pen axe where pretty much every boss was a general and could promote early in the default game.
Roy gets a bad rap because he's one of the weaker lords of modern Fire Emblems (post Kaga).and people playing Fire Emblem 6 are playing it after they played one of the other modern ones.