Fighting Games Weekly | July 14-20 | Bracket Resets Full of Tears (of Joy?)

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I've never been to Vegas, I need to start planning and see if I can go next year. Even though I'll just get bopped lol.
 
I am never sad when EVO is over. Just relieved. Can't wait to get a good night's sleep again for the first time since Wednesday and take a mental break from playing.
 
I am going through the EVO thread while people were having their reactions during the hype moments. I didn't post much or read GAF much during the top 8 because they were so insane (could not take my eyes off even between matches). There were some HILARIOUS/awesome gifs posted:

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(Dat JWong professor X LMAO!)


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Also even Nitsuma responded to the Justin wins:

Ryota Niitsuma
‏@Ryota_Niitsuma
Amazing! Justin!!
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USF4 stuff:


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Also this beauty right here:

Eduardo Pérez
‏@PR_Balrog
Yo I thought sagat and Fei Long sucked why are they in the top 3??

Tylor Hakim ‏@TylorJockin 3m
@PR_Balrog Yo I thought YOU were GOOD, why aint you near Top 3?

#dead
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+ A TON of One Piece gifs.

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1 of my favorite moments was during the awards ceremony for BlazBlue when Ms. Ueda gave an extra nod to N-Man.
I thought it was cute.
 
I only use gaf on my fone, so I not gonna dig for it

I had louffy winning in my predictions in last weeks thread

I'm so happy louffy won, I don't even care anymore that justin frauded his way to the top
 
A shame no one got to see what Justin's new tech was, I won't say it for obvious reasons but it's some of the dirtiest fucking shit I've heard for marvel. Let's just say Justin had this EVO in the bag if he wanted to show the ace up his sleeve.

Saying he frauded it is dumb as fuck too.
 
QisTopTier said:
A shame no one got to see what Justin's new tech was, I won't say it for obvious reasons but it's some of the dirtiest fucking shit I've heard for marvel. Let's just say Justin had this EVO in the bag if he wanted to show the ace up his sleeve.

Saying he frauded it is dumb as fuck too.
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Yoooo, what is it?
 
BadWolf said:
Huh? They are hopping just as much as in 13 there.

And lol at brain dead pressure.

Tokido and Xiao Hai's crazy movement and use of normals to cover both defense and offense is what KOF is all about imo.
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braindead is in quotes. Its not literally braindead.

KOF13 is the extreme in KOFs in terms of offense. Combos are way longer, pace is way faster, and there is less emphasis on grounded footsies compared to 98.
 
Dahbomb said:
Spill the beans son!!!!

EVO is over and Justin Wong won already.. no point in saving that stuff.
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If Justin didn't drop that TAC last year he could of use that secret tech to THREEPEAT in Marvel.

Man.... in the era of 1,000 man tournaments that's an accomplishment that would be very hard to top.
 
Dahbomb, you need the neck-breaking punch in there, too.

QisTopTier said:
I ain't no god damn rat, why would I ruin something he told me himself. That shit is for next year. Just know that his tweets were the real deal.


No LOL
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At least say this: is it situational, or general and practical? As in, did JWong choose not to use it, or did the situation never present itself?
 
was it better than the solo-combo after throw tech that he made with wolverine? That was his tech last year and he never used it, nor was it was game changing.
 
Seyavesh said:
oh yeah. also champ literally had matches won vs both justin and chris like 5 times over and choked them all away.

that shit was depressing because his play was 100% the best out of those 3 besides those. nerves/wong factor/chris jitters are fuckin' real
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Yeah this is dead on. Champ's technical skills were amazing last night. Justin and Chris were just a little more clutch.
 
QisTopTier said:
Also I'm sad EVO is over now, I need a time machine.

and of course A BIG THANK YOU to everyone that helped me get out there for the first time. I've been wanting to go for ages and finally getting to experience it let alone the ways I did made it an UNFORGETTABLE EXPERIENCE. <3 you all

And an extra big thanks to Shouta for organizing the things to get me there and to Beef for letting me room with him :D

Oh best moment was when seth was chilling in our hotel room and Beef came in and he looked fucking flabbergasted like he got drugged or something after Seth left Beef said he didn't know what the fuck was going on at first hahahaha

Also Seth stole my room key on day 2, well it was an accident but still was funny
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NP man, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

And fucking Seth, lmao. I love how he just ripped on my laid-back attitude LOL
 
Prototype said:
This is pretty rich considering years ago people were saying the same thing about art himself, that he had access to top level talent to train when he would go to other tournaments and take everyone's money. Skill even wrote a domination 101 article on it.

So it's OK to use that as an excuse now?
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Well to be fair I don't think these situations are even comparable. Art is criticizing the lack of camaraderie in his immediate community which has created a frog in the well situation for everyone in it.
 
Riposte said:
It's an open-ended question, I don't really care how people take it as long as they actually think about it. When people complain about an incredibly skillful match being boring while watching a stream I wonder if they are self-aware to that point. Btw, I found "both" to be an annoying answer, because it is a cop-out and also doesn't even make sense (how can two things both be more than the other?).
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What's more important during a fighting game stream: the level/depth of play or the entertainment value?

I'm reminded of what Ryan Hart said in this documentary


if the time stamp doesn't work, start 38 minutes and 25 seconds into the video

I notice your question is in regards to fighting game streams. Well, there's the term "marquee matchup".

During USF4 quarter finals, only matches in the winners bracket were being put on the main stage/stream. This is based on the premise that the players who are undefeated are more "skilled". However, they broke that rule when they saw that a match queued in losers bracket was Daigo Umehara vs Alex Valle.

There are also exhibition matches such as the NLBC vs WNF 5 v 5. The ten players involved aren't the 10 best players in the world.But the regional rivalry and the fanfare surrounding their clash gave them a completely separate stage to showcase themselves.

Still, FGC as an institution, is about results. In tournament, there's no value to being the more "entertaining" player. There's no value to having an enchanting story. There's nothing like the Smash E3 invitational where people voted for their favorite and they moved on to the next round regardless of result. Anything goes. If you win, you go on. If you lose, you don't. Streams exist to show those results to a wide audience. There are such things as marquee matchups but if the players don't meet each other in the brackets, then those are the breaks.

The problem really is, is that the FGC continues to use "hype" as a way to differentiate itself from other esports. And then the viewers cultivated in the last 5 years buy into that, and gloss over the rest of the experience as a result. It should be taught to people to appreciate high level fighting game play as opposed to just raw spectacle. Evo moments should be thought of as a bonus, as opposed to a requirement.
 
QisTopTier said:
A shame no one got to see what Justin's new tech was, I won't say it for obvious reasons but it's some of the dirtiest fucking shit I've heard for marvel. Let's just say Justin had this EVO in the bag if he wanted to show the ace up his sleeve.

Saying he frauded it is dumb as fuck too.
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Well I got my early reason to get hype for next year's EVO.
 
Well esports people use hype now too so FGC doesn't exactly have a monopoly on the term.

I do agree that this expectation of "hype hype hype" all the time from fighting game tournaments is getting a bit absurd. Then you have commentators trying to manufacture hype which is just cringe worthy at times.
 
DryEyeRelief said:
What's more important during a fighting game stream: the level/depth of play or the entertainment value?

I'm reminded of what Ryan Hart said in this documentary


if the time stamp doesn't work, start 38 minutes and 25 seconds into the video

I notice your question is in regards to fighting game streams. Well, there's the term "marquee matchup".

During USF4 quarter finals, only matches in the winners bracket were being put on the main stage/stream. This is based on the premise that the players who are undefeated are more "skilled". However, they broke that rule when they saw that a match queued in losers bracket was Daigo Umehara vs Alex Valle.

There are also exhibition matches such as the NLBC vs WNF 5 v 5. The ten players involved aren't the 10 best players in the world.But the regional rivalry and the fanfare surrounding their clash gave them a completely separate stage to showcase themselves.

Still, FGC as an institution, is about results. In tournament, there's no value to being the more "entertaining" player. There's no value to having an enchanting story. There's nothing like the Smash E3 invitational where people voted for their favorite and they moved on to the next round regardless of result. Anything goes. If you win, you go on. If you lose, you don't. Streams exist to show those results to a wide audience. There are such things as marquee matchups but if the players don't meet each other in the brackets, then those are the breaks.

The problem really is, is that the FGC continues to use "hype" as a way to differentiate itself from other esports. And then the viewers cultivated in the last 5 years buy into that, and gloss over the rest of the experience as a result. It should be taught to people to appreciate high level fighting game play as opposed to just raw spectacle.
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This is a good post. Your last bit makes a degree of sense but I also think it's ironic since stream monster culture (for lack of a better expression) is inherent to esports with these games being on PC and being broadcast for years to it's audience. The opposite can be said for fighting games since that was born out of the arcades. Twitch is pretty much synonymous with daily LoL streams from esports personalities. Streams is still a very new thing for the FGC and still something we are trying to understand. I think people conflate "hype" with "rawness" or authenticity when trying to differentiate an FGC stream and event from an esports one.
 
Magna_Mixalis said:
Could be worse, you could've been there and STILL missed everything. (;_;)

...At least people seemed to like our games.
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At least you could hear the sounds? :y

I really enjoyed your streams tho, caught them when I wasn't hopping in between 6 at once.

Busaiku said:
When the heck did the FGC ever have a monopoly on hype.
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Certainly has a lot more hype than MOBAs IMO. Back when I was really into League/whatever the act of playing the game bored me to tears. The only moderately exciting moments were "Oh man I made it out with 10 hp. I did it. Hand me a trophy."
 
DryEyeRelief said:
What's more important during a fighting game stream: the level/depth of play or the entertainment value?

I'm reminded of what Ryan Hart said in this documentary


if the time stamp doesn't work, start 38 minutes and 25 seconds into the video

I notice your question is in regards to fighting game streams. Well, there's the term "marquee matchup".

During USF4 quarter finals, only matches in the winners bracket were being put on the main stage/stream. This is based on the premise that the players who are undefeated are more "skilled". However, they broke that rule when they saw that a match queued in losers bracket was Daigo Umehara vs Alex Valle.

There are also exhibition matches such as the NLBC vs WNF 5 v 5. The ten players involved aren't the 10 best players in the world.But the regional rivalry and the fanfare surrounding their clash gave them a completely separate stage to showcase themselves.

Still, FGC as an institution, is about results. In tournament, there's no value to being the more "entertaining" player. There's no value to having an enchanting story. There's nothing like the Smash E3 invitational where people voted for their favorite and they moved on to the next round regardless of result. Anything goes. If you win, you go on. If you lose, you don't. Streams exist to show those results to a wide audience. There are such things as marquee matchups but if the players don't meet each other in the brackets, then those are the breaks.

The problem really is, is that the FGC continues to use "hype" as a way to differentiate itself from other esports. And then the viewers cultivated in the last 5 years buy into that, and gloss over the rest of the experience as a result. It should be taught to people to appreciate high level fighting game play as opposed to just raw spectacle. Evo moments should be thought of as a bonus, as opposed to a requirement.
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This is a fantastic post, and I enjoyed watching that segment of the video.
 
I remember reading an essay discussing whether soccer was exciting to watch or not.

The author said that any spectator sport can be called boring or exciting based on the following two criteria:

(1) the probability of something important to the end result happening at any given time
(2) whether the contest gets decided long before it is over or not.
 
Dandy J said:
thats not really a good comparison, chris' jump cd is about half the speed of things like karate jump cds in 13
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yeah it just made me laugh when that came up and he's talkin' about hop-> button city USA

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theowne said:
I remember reading an essay discussing whether soccer was exciting to watch or not.

The author said that any spectator sport can be called boring or exciting based on the following two criteria:

(1) the probability of something important to the end result happening at any given time
(2) whether the contest gets decided long before it is over or not.
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that dude is 100% correct. the probability of meaningful things happening also ties into pacing. a higher probability means higher pacing bc 'more things are happening' which usually is more interesting to watch

i think
 
Hitokage said:
Blazblue isn't played on 360!

I mean, it really sucks for him, but this is an absolutely basic and fundamental part of tournament preparation, and you probably could have just gutted the battery in a PS3 pad so it only runs wired.
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If I had more time to prepare sure. I was actually going to be pretty well prepared with a month minimum of practice on new stuff but shit hit the fan. I mean it's not like I was planning on going to EVO all year either.
 
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