Didn't the trailer say Robin could run out of tomes?
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
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Vampirolol
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Come on. I want to spam Nosferatu on my enemies!
JStein0222
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Still very doubtful there is a tome switching mechanic because of the end of yesterday's trailer. The part with female Robin clearly shows 2 different elemental attacks being used almost back to back with no tome switching to be seen.
Because of this, I'm confused as to how a tome 'running out' would work.
Because of this, I'm confused as to how a tome 'running out' would work.
It's not random if it comes out in order. So, like, Thunder -> Elthunder -> Arc Thunder -> Thoron -> Fire -> Elfire -> Arcfire -> Bolganone -> Wind -> Elwind -> Arcwind -> Excalibur, reset afterwards.But I thought Sakurai was getting rid of randomness.
If you watch this in slow mo you can see Robin changing tomes mid move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ytrX0wweA#t=122
Robin jumps backwards, and the Tome is yellow (thunder), but then he starts the animation for Arcfire, and the Tome turns red. The opposite happens with female Robin here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ytrX0wweA#t=160 (after she rolls, she casts thunder and Tome turns from red to yellow).
So, the Tomes are definitely your 4 specials. It seems like neutral special is Thunder (Yellow), side special is Fire (Red), down special is Dark (Purple) and up special is Wind (Green). The difference between Thunder, Elthunder, Archtunder and Thoron is ambiguous. They could be different charge levels of the neutral special, or they could be custom moves for neutral special.
Robin jumps backwards, and the Tome is yellow (thunder), but then he starts the animation for Arcfire, and the Tome turns red. The opposite happens with female Robin here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ytrX0wweA#t=160 (after she rolls, she casts thunder and Tome turns from red to yellow).
So, the Tomes are definitely your 4 specials. It seems like neutral special is Thunder (Yellow), side special is Fire (Red), down special is Dark (Purple) and up special is Wind (Green). The difference between Thunder, Elthunder, Archtunder and Thoron is ambiguous. They could be different charge levels of the neutral special, or they could be custom moves for neutral special.
I just can't see your point of view at all. Staunchly believing in a falsehood and not correcting in light of the truth. FWIW, I've never played any of the other versions of TTYD either, so I went on thinking Vivian was physically female for years. It wasn't until I found out about NoA's censorship that I honestly re-examine my own beliefs and updated them accordingly.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cause drama.
Maybe his/her specials will work in the same way as the Levin Sword? Robin will be limited in the amount of times he/she can use a special without recharging.
(affirmative)
Hours Left
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The tomes probably need to "recharge" like the Levin Sword does.
The question is, what does Robin do when he/she has no tomes?
The question is, what does Robin do when he/she has no tomes?
JStein0222
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When you say tome switch is that synonymous with element switch? (FE Scrub over here)
" The Levin sword and tomes are Robin's life lines"
Im pretty sure both are in danger of breaking, but only the Levi sword gets a replacement as the items recharge. Meaning if you run out of tomes your screwed with specials. Elements will be assigned to his specials, with each of them probably having 3 uses each till it needs to be recharged, and goes through the levels with each use.
Im pretty sure both are in danger of breaking, but only the Levi sword gets a replacement as the items recharge. Meaning if you run out of tomes your screwed with specials. Elements will be assigned to his specials, with each of them probably having 3 uses each till it needs to be recharged, and goes through the levels with each use.
i've watched the video reveal many times and this is how i assume his tome attacks work.
elwind attacks are from his regular attacks even though it's technically a tome from the game. i say this because i saw his standard combo using wind attacks and in the air using down a. so not special
the thunder attacks are his neutral b attacks
fire attacks side b
and nosferatu down b
but then that leaves his up b which i have no idea what it is. maybe its related to that floating thing he used in the cutscene. im probably totally wrong, but this is my impression after watching it many times
elwind attacks are from his regular attacks even though it's technically a tome from the game. i say this because i saw his standard combo using wind attacks and in the air using down a. so not special
the thunder attacks are his neutral b attacks
fire attacks side b
and nosferatu down b
but then that leaves his up b which i have no idea what it is. maybe its related to that floating thing he used in the cutscene. im probably totally wrong, but this is my impression after watching it many times
It would be bad news if they couldn't use them period until they recharge.
Imagine trying to recover when the Gale tomb is out of juice. X(
Ah shit, this is a good point. I just checked the trailer myself (was replaying it for hints) and female Robin casts Arcfire, Arcthunder, and then Thoron immediately after each other.
Still think that it's reactionary to say that means that tome switching isn't a thing, though. It's just like... why is it in the trailer, then? I don't know why a trailer would deliberately be confusing about a character's mechanics.
Maybe Robin's aeriels are fairly similar to the smashes, so you just hold down the button to basically do a beefed up version of it.
So like, imagine Captain Falcon's knee working the same, where if you held the button instead you got...I dunno, a nuclear explosion upon impact.
Troubled Bat
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It is, if it's on a time limit. Not everyone would pay attention to when the tomes would change. What if you got a fancy combo is going on and you're about to finish it off, but then.. Boom! Changes and now you can no longer do it.
foxuzamaki
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Im finding it absolutely hilarious how smashgaf was so random 30 mins ago and now everyone is super discussing smash like they should, which im loving because im reading everyone's posts, but I have to go to bed, so night ya'll
JB-the-Hunter
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Guys, the tomes don't go through a cycle, each one is tied to a direction. Most likely:
Neutral - Thunder
Side - Fire
Up - Wind
Down - Dark
After Robin uses one of the moves, that becomes the time that he holds, which may or may not effect titls and grabs.
Neutral - Thunder
Side - Fire
Up - Wind
Down - Dark
After Robin uses one of the moves, that becomes the time that he holds, which may or may not effect titls and grabs.
sorakirosaki
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i think the whole cyclying aspect of it would be kinda weird though since from the way it was shown elwind is the only actual spell that he calls out in the entire trailer
i really believe that the only actual changing spell will just be the thunder tomes which while elwind will be his up b, elfire being side b and noserfatu being his down b
also if the spells do in fact "break" you will definetly need to manage your resources and will be basically playing a game within a game lol
also i think some of robins normals will be affected by the special he used prior at least most likely all his ground based ones
thats my take on it
i presume after a certain umber of uses the tomes will refresh
SenorArdilla
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Robin's trailer showed her using Elfire, dodge-rolling, and then using Arcthunder. The tome changed from red to yellow almost immediately. So it's probably safe to say that all the tomes are linked to her specials.
And then it also looks like there are changes to some of Robin's normal attacks depending on what tome he's holding.
A-combo while holding red tome is Slash-Slash-Explosion.
A-combo while holding green tome is Slash-Wind Slice.
foxuzamaki
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Yup.
JStein0222
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I think I'm agreeing with you. Here's my conclusion now after reading yall's thoughts:
- Each special + direction is a different tome (element)
- Special moves can be exhausted after many uses and require a recharge waiting period.
- Special moves get stronger as you use them and then reset to base strength when your tome breaks.
Sounds logical.
MaverickHunterAsh
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This has been an amazing week for pics of the day so far. First an out-of-nowhere Rayman trophy, then detailed info on Lucina and Robin - no screwing around or information delays!
Since Ike is returning, it would have taken a lot of extra work to try to differentiate Chrom from him and Marth so I think Sakurai chose a great compromise. Not only do we get a brand new unique character, we also got Lucina.it's all good, imo.
This is pretty much how I feel, just as a FE non-fan. I just don't know how Sakurai would have made Chrom feel and play differently enough from Marth and Ike.
Yeah, that'd be great to get your take on it then. Also, I'd be interested to hear updated thoughts from Andre and Derrick on the new characters. We got their first impressions on Monday, but a second take would be nice since Derrick seems to have figured out some of Robin's move-set now, and we've all had time to digest everything that happened.
Yeah, they'll probably chime in with their updated thoughts as I'm talking about Robin and Lucina as well!
Just for fun, damn.
You should go get a drink.
No, no I shouldn't.
Ugh, please don't start this shit.
That would be awesome! We haven't seen one yet, have we? Maybe the E-Tank will appear as a new recovery item?
Yep. Turns out this was one of the first super-late pics of the day to not be filler!
WAIT WAIT WAIT
I got it. It makes perfect sense.
Each spell is on a different input. So, let's say that Thunder is Neutral, Fire is side, Wind is Down (which makes sense because Elwind is pointing down). My theory still sorta applies but it's not all mapped to Neutral B. Basically, let's say that you cast Neutral Thunder twice. Like I said previously, it starts from the weakest tome, Thunder, and works it's way up, to say, Arcthunder. However, afterwards, you use Fire. It starts at Fire and not Bolganone. And you use it again to use Elfire. The tomes all cycle, but they're all tracked separately on each Special input. So you can have Arcthunder loaded up on Neutral and still have Wind and not Arcwind on Down-B. This is perfectly consistent with female Robin's part, too. She uses Arcfire, then moves into Arcthunder, and uses thunder again, which is Thoron. Once each tome has reached its' most powerful version, it resets with a cooldown.
Am I making sense?
I got it. It makes perfect sense.
Each spell is on a different input. So, let's say that Thunder is Neutral, Fire is side, Wind is Down (which makes sense because Elwind is pointing down). My theory still sorta applies but it's not all mapped to Neutral B. Basically, let's say that you cast Neutral Thunder twice. Like I said previously, it starts from the weakest tome, Thunder, and works it's way up, to say, Arcthunder. However, afterwards, you use Fire. It starts at Fire and not Bolganone. And you use it again to use Elfire. The tomes all cycle, but they're all tracked separately on each Special input. So you can have Arcthunder loaded up on Neutral and still have Wind and not Arcwind on Down-B. This is perfectly consistent with female Robin's part, too. She uses Arcfire, then moves into Arcthunder, and uses thunder again, which is Thoron. Once each tome has reached its' most powerful version, it resets with a cooldown.
Am I making sense?
So if the elements are mapped to specials, I would guess:
Thunder- B
Wind- Up-B
Fire- Side-B
Dark- Down-B
But Robin uses wind on the ground in the trailer as well, which is weird if it's just a recovery. Robin uses all moves on the ground without upward movement it looks like. Though wind looks like it can give a bit of a boost in midair.
Thunder- B
Wind- Up-B
Fire- Side-B
Dark- Down-B
But Robin uses wind on the ground in the trailer as well, which is weird if it's just a recovery. Robin uses all moves on the ground without upward movement it looks like. Though wind looks like it can give a bit of a boost in midair.
Amazeballs
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Choose your character!
@Moonlight.
El Wind is most likely an up special. It's been thought that the spells up to the arc series are alternate specials while the highest tier spells like Thoron are charge moves for any chosen special.
@Moonlight.
El Wind is most likely an up special. It's been thought that the spells up to the arc series are alternate specials while the highest tier spells like Thoron are charge moves for any chosen special.
SenorArdilla
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But she moves to a completely different stage when using Thoron.
GameXplain noted that the wind spells shoot downward but propel Robin UP, so I'm inclined to believe the wind magic is tied to Up Special. Meanwhile, dark magic is Down Special, fire magic is Side Special, and thunder magic is Neutral Special.
So you can switch between them freely, but I don't get what kind of limits might be placed on them. All we know is Robin says in the trailer there are limits on his tomes. And now here Sakurai is talking about additional limits on the sword. :-O
So you can switch between them freely, but I don't get what kind of limits might be placed on them. All we know is Robin says in the trailer there are limits on his tomes. And now here Sakurai is talking about additional limits on the sword. :-O
JStein0222
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I think I'm agreeing with you a couple posts up? This stuff is hard to digest haha
sorakirosaki
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thing is though arcfire and elwind were the nly ones actually being shown if the other spells were there he would have mentioned it. I think the only actual leveling spell is the thunder tomes (heck his splash page said bringing the thunder rofl) how they work could be anyones guess (since they can be charge able)
foxuzamaki
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This is brilliant.
No.
When Robin is charging his thunder spell his tome changes from this:
to this:
to this:
The lightning bolt on the tome increases the number of zigzags as the spell being cast becomes more powerful until it becomes a circle with a cross. Arcfire also uses the circle with the cross, so the symbols are probably thunder, elthunder, and arcthunder. Thoron appears to not have a tome and instead is fired when you charge to full.
JStein0222
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Starting to slide back into my initial inclination that there is no recharge mechanic to the tomes and the specials are just normal specials with the thunder move is just chargeable haha I gotta sleep. Smash gaf is rackinf my brain
sorakirosaki
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i feel like a psychic
JB-the-Hunter
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Actually, in the trailer you can see him performing another wind spell that's not elwind.
SenorArdilla
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1:19
Robin w/ red tome does what looks like his neutral attack combo. Ends with fire.
1:40
Cuts to Robin w/ green tome doing a similar move to Kirby. Ends with wind.
Robin w/ red tome does what looks like his neutral attack combo. Ends with fire.
1:40
Cuts to Robin w/ green tome doing a similar move to Kirby. Ends with wind.
Yeah, that was confusing me about the trailer but now I get it. Last special changes the tome which can affect that standard combo.
sorakirosaki
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at what time? because all i remember him actually mentioning is elwind :t if you are talking about the kirby thing is mostly likely with his normals hits
kuroneko0509
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can only hit with that Bronze Sword I guess
Now compare these two parts of the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ytrX0wweA#t=79
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ytrX0wweA#t=100
In both he appears to use either a tilt or a jab attack, followed by a magic attack that seems to act like a jab combo finisher. But the attacks are different, and he has a different tome when he uses them.
So maybe each of his four specials is a different Tome/Element like I said earlier, and his tilts/jabs change based on which Tome he currently has equipped? Ugh, that would be a super tricky thing to manage in combat if it's true.
Still no clue on what happens when you run out of Tome(s), though. We never see him attack without a Tome in hand during the trailer, regardless of which sword he's using (or she, same thing happens with female Robin).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ytrX0wweA#t=79
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ytrX0wweA#t=100
In both he appears to use either a tilt or a jab attack, followed by a magic attack that seems to act like a jab combo finisher. But the attacks are different, and he has a different tome when he uses them.
So maybe each of his four specials is a different Tome/Element like I said earlier, and his tilts/jabs change based on which Tome he currently has equipped? Ugh, that would be a super tricky thing to manage in combat if it's true.
Still no clue on what happens when you run out of Tome(s), though. We never see him attack without a Tome in hand during the trailer, regardless of which sword he's using (or she, same thing happens with female Robin).
HawthorneKitty
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So... Robin Kirby...
I expect white hair but I hope he gets a hood.
sorakirosaki
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he will most likely be able to access robins thunder spells.....my god short kirby with thoron.....jebeus
im guessing once you are out you gotta lame it out till you get your spells back also this sounds like my kind of character a game within a game my god
peanutbutterlatte
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It's the least work for them if he gets tonnes of hair alts.
hmm that sounds interesting.
SenorArdilla
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