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[nath999]

What would you guys recommend for a CPU? I'm not going to be doing a lot of gaming but a lot of multiple stream watching.

I want to be able to watch, Multi Twitch and MLB.TV at the same time without any slow down.

I already have my GTX 770 video card, now I just need a Mobo and Processor. I'm looking to spend max $400 dollars on a CPU and $300 on a Mobo. I'm also going to go with 16Gb of Ram so if anyone has recommendations on that I would appreciate it.

 

[kennah]

I'm guessing trying water cooling for a first time build isn't recommended? I've been reading and it seems like water cooled builds run cooler and quieter, with the reduced noise being the biggest point for me. However it seems like there is also the potential for more things to go wrong. What does PC GAF think of it for a PC noob?

Full custom loop - terrible idea

The corsair/etc all in one coolers - no problem.

 

[Water]

I'm guessing trying water cooling for a first time build isn't recommended? I've been reading and it seems like water cooled builds run cooler and quieter, with the reduced noise being the biggest point for me.

Air cooling easily and cheaply gives you a system that is really quiet / near silent whenever the machine is mostly idle. The cheap watercooling (closed loop) systems aren't about low noise, but convenience (space taken inside case) and looks; they are typically louder than air cooling at idle since they need to run their pumps no matter what. The only way watercooling can give you a quieter system is if you're going for a high end, custom setup where the graphics cards are watercooled, and even then the gains only apply to times when the system is stressed.

 

[Calibus]

Decided to get a laser mouse after all. Picked up this little puppy on Amazon -- great price for what it offers.

 

[michaelius]

I'm guessing trying water cooling for a first time build isn't recommended? I've been reading and it seems like water cooled builds run cooler and quieter, with the reduced noise being the biggest point for me. However it seems like there is also the potential for more things to go wrong. What does PC GAF think of it for a PC noob?

Don't bother

It's expensive - proper wc will cost you 200-300$ maybe more
It needs maintenance - from time to time you will have to at least check level of liquid in system
Performance gains are going to be limited (if you are lucky you will get few hundred more Mhz on cpu which translates to single digit % increase over high end air coolers and bit more on gpus)
It's complicated - there's a lot of things that might go wrong and putting full cover water block on gpu isn't easiest thing to do.

It only makes sense if you want super quiet pc with very high overclocking of top end parts (otherwise you will benefit more by investing that money into better cpu or gpu).

 

[Joco]

Thanks for the replies guys. Air cooling it is! Now I'll just have to find quiet fan/case.

 

[Calibus]

Thanks for the replies guys. Air cooling it is! Now I'll just have to find quiet fan/case.

Corsair Air 540 is whisper quiet with stock fans.

 

[CreepingFear]

Have you tried disabling PCI-E link state power management?

Just turned PCI-E link state power management off. If that works, I want to kiss you.

 

[mkenyon]

What would you guys recommend for a CPU? I'm not going to be doing a lot of gaming but a lot of multiple stream watching.

I want to be able to watch, Multi Twitch and MLB.TV at the same time without any slow down.

I already have my GTX 770 video card, now I just need a Mobo and Processor. I'm looking to spend max $400 dollars on a CPU and $300 on a Mobo. I'm also going to go with 16Gb of Ram so if anyone has recommendations on that I would appreciate it.

Hold on, GTX 770 and 16GB of RAM for stream watching?

No games at all?

 

[appaws]

I'm guessing trying water cooling for a first time build isn't recommended? I've been reading and it seems like water cooled builds run cooler and quieter, with the reduced noise being the biggest point for me. However it seems like there is also the potential for more things to go wrong. What does PC GAF think of it for a PC noob?

I would say you should probably start with a basic air cooled system if you have never built a PC before....it is easy enough to take off and move to water.

But I don't want to come off negative about it...because I think a custom loop is awesome. It gives performance....it looks amazing!....and I think it is fun as hell to build. When people talk about the maintenence aspect...that is a positive not a negative for me...I LIKE tinkering around with parts and stuff any chance I get.

If you are that type of person you might like it. But yeah, start with air. Just buy a big case so you have options when the time comes.

 

[Blak_Status]

Can I buy an r7 265 to upgrade an old Q6600 system I'm not even using?

 

[Hazaro]

Can I buy an r7 265 to upgrade an old Q6600 system I'm not even using?

Yeah if its got the PSU for it.
I actually just put in a 750Ti in a Q6600 system for someone.

 

[PaulLFC]

Hey GAF, i'm looking for a monitor for gaming (PC and consoles). After some research, i'm considering these two models:

• Dell U2414H
• Asus VS248H-P

Which one would you recommend? Other suggestions around the 200€ mark (~160 pounds) are also welcomed.

I have the Dell and I love it. Fantastic monitor, looks great, really good picture quality, and the thin bezel is a really nice touch.

Can't compare it to the Asus as I haven't used that monitor, but the Dell is great.

 

[Kinsei]

I'm trying to base a build off of the Great - Best Value build in the OP, but I have a couple of questions. I wouldn't need an optical drive if I plan on going 100% digital, and I wouldn't need a sound card if I plan on using headphones, correct?


Your Current Specs: The build I'm currently looking at: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/n97M4D
Budget: ~$1000 Canadian
Main Use: Light Gaming: 3, Gaming: 5, Emulation: (PS2/Wii) 4, Video Editing: 4, Streaming games in HD: 3, General Usage : 5
Monitor Resolution: 720p. I'll be upgrading to a 1080p monitor later on down the road
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: I want to be able to run FF XIV, The Witcher 3, and Killing Floor 2 well. 60FPS is preferable but I can deal with 30FPS. I have no idea what PHYSX/ SuperSampling/ CUDA is.
Looking to reuse any parts?: This is my first PC, so no.
When will you build?: I'm hoping to order the parts within the next three weeks. My laptop died last week so I'm hoping to replace it ASAP.
Will you be overclocking?: No.

Honestly, I have no idea what I'm doing.

 

[Blak_Status]

Yeah if its got the PSU for it.
I actually just put in a 750Ti in a Q6600 system for someone.

Ok.. thanks

 

[Hawk269]

I'm guessing trying water cooling for a first time build isn't recommended? I've been reading and it seems like water cooled builds run cooler and quieter, with the reduced noise being the biggest point for me. However it seems like there is also the potential for more things to go wrong. What does PC GAF think of it for a PC noob?

It is not that hard. I mean, it was nerve racking for me when I did the leak test, but outside of that it was not that hard. Time consuming it is because you should go slow, but it is not all that hard. I think once you build your first rig and then you add water cooling to it after the fact, I am sure that you will think why you did not do it from the get go. But that is just me!

 

[paskowitz]

GAF, is there such a thing as a wireless keyboard (RF or BT) that has mechanical keys and a touch pad?

Next question would be what is the best wireless keyboard with a touchpad (lets forget about mechanical keys)?

 

[Woffls]

Getting a new PSU and I want it to be very quiet. I'm looking at this fanless 500w PSU - only got a 750Ti and nothing fancy. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-000-SF. Want something gold/platinum rated as well.

Are fanless PSUs worth it, or are there some ridiculously quiet PSUs with fans in?

Yeah if its got the PSU for it.
I actually just put in a 750Ti in a Q6600 system for someone.

I did exactly that a few weeks ago and the difference is staggering compared to the 8800GT that preceded it. Runs very well considering most of the hardware is seven years old.

 

[The Llama]

I'm trying to base a build off of the Great - Best Value build in the OP, but I have a couple of questions. I wouldn't need an optical drive if I plan on going 100% digital, and I wouldn't need a sound card if I plan on using headphones, correct?


Your Current Specs: The build I'm currently looking at: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/n97M4D
Budget: ~$1000 Canadian
Main Use: Light Gaming: 3, Gaming: 5, Emulation: (PS2/Wii) 4, Video Editing: 4, Streaming games in HD: 3, General Usage : 5
Monitor Resolution: 720p. I'll be upgrading to a 1080p monitor later on down the road
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: I want to be able to run FF XIV, The Witcher 3, and Killing Floor 2 well. 60FPS is preferable but I can deal with 30FPS. I have no idea what PHYSX/ SuperSampling/ CUDA is.
Looking to reuse any parts?: This is my first PC, so no.
When will you build?: I'm hoping to order the parts within the next three weeks. My laptop died last week so I'm hoping to replace it ASAP.
Will you be overclocking?: No.

Honestly, I have no idea what I'm doing.

That build looks like a good start. I'd get a better power supply, and maybe throw a little extra $$$ at the 256GB MX100 if you want (either that or at a better GPU).

You're right about the optical drive and the sound card. For most purposes, you don't need a sound card , since virtually every mobo these days has it built in.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Alright, PC-GAF. Let's say I've got a $40-50 budget, a 300W PSU, and need a new graphics card that's better than Intel HD Graphics 2000 Desktop. What should I do?

(And please, no "Get a new PC" suggestions. If I could do that, I would. I'm dirt poor. Aside from the GPU, my PC is fine. It's just the integrated graphics causing me hell.)

 

[Tablo]

So anyone else have trouble fitting motherboard backplates in the Node 304? Especially the Asus ones with the added padding layer?

 

[The Llama]

Alright, PC-GAF. Let's say I've got a $40-50 budget, a 300W PSU, and need a new graphics card that's better than Intel HD Graphics 2000 Desktop. What should I do?

(And please, no "Get a new PC" suggestions. If I could do that, I would. I'm dirt poor. Aside from the GPU, my PC is fine. It's just the integrated graphics causing me hell.)

$50? Honestly, I wouldn't even bother. I'm sure you could get something, but why bother?

I'd look at used stuff, though. You could probably get something decent thats 2-3 years old.

 

[kharma45]

Alright, PC-GAF. Let's say I've got a $40-50 budget, a 300W PSU, and need a new graphics card that's better than Intel HD Graphics 2000 Desktop. What should I do?

(And please, no "Get a new PC" suggestions. If I could do that, I would. I'm dirt poor. Aside from the GPU, my PC is fine. It's just the integrated graphics causing me hell.)

Honestly? Just keep saving until you can afford a used 750 Ti.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

what are your current specs?

Pentium G630 2.70GHz
4GB RAM
Intel HD Graphics 2000 Desktop
Win 7 64-bit

 

[Kinsei]

That build looks like a good start. I'd get a better power supply, and maybe throw a little extra $$$ at the 256GB MX100 if you want (either that or at a better GPU).

You're right about the optical drive and the sound card. For most purposes, you don't need a sound card , since virtually every mobo these days has it built in.

Is the Antec BP550 Plus a good power supply? With that and the 256GB MX100 the price is perfect for me.

 

[nath999]

Hold on, GTX 770 and 16GB of RAM for stream watching?

No games at all?

Mostly indie gaming and things I can only play on PC, I'm looking for something that will last me a while the last time I upgraded my rig was in 2007 when the Q6600 came out and now when multitasking it's really showing it's age.

 

[appaws]

Getting a new PSU and I want it to be very quiet. I'm looking at this fanless 500w PSU - only got a 750Ti and nothing fancy. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-000-SF. Want something gold/platinum rated as well.

Are fanless PSUs worth it, or are there some ridiculously quiet PSUs with fans in?

I know PC Perspective did a review of one recently that they liked a lot....

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/SilverStone-Nightjar-520W-Fanless-Power-Supply-Review

I guess it just depends on how much you want to spend.

 

[Ray Wonder]

120/144 Hz monitor with native firmware-based strobing is the future, so definitely worth the upgrade there.

Ok, I did my research. Partially on a thread that you made. I'm convinced. 144hz it is. Thanks, I think I would've regretted buying the 60Hz monitor.

 

[That Wont Fit In There]

Turns out the memory was the problem. Did some trouble shooting and made sure the sticks were tight after switching them and we're good to go! Thanks everyone!

 

[hawkshockey11]

Are dual molex to 6-pin- PCIe adapters generally safe? The antec 450w only has one 6 pin but the 270x needs 2.

 

[Zaph]

UK GAF - If, like myself, you prefer larger ITX cases similar to the Prodigy range, but want better build quality/aluminium construction, Quiet PC now has local stock of Cooltek's range: http://www.quietpc.com/cooltek

 

[Hazaro]

Alright, PC-GAF. Let's say I've got a $40-50 budget, a 300W PSU, and need a new graphics card that's better than Intel HD Graphics 2000 Desktop. What should I do?

(And please, no "Get a new PC" suggestions. If I could do that, I would. I'm dirt poor. Aside from the GPU, my PC is fine. It's just the integrated graphics causing me hell.)

The 300W PSU is iffy since it's don't know how much it delivers on 12V.
Price is GTX 460 though. ~$60
VP450/CX430 - $40

Are dual molex to 6-pin- PCIe adapters generally safe? The antec 450w only has one 6 pin but the 270x needs 2.

I use it no problem, but someones they can go bad. You can buy SATA converters if it makes you feel more comfortable.

 

[mkenyon]

Mostly indie gaming and things I can only play on PC, I'm looking for something that will last me a while the last time I upgraded my rig was in 2007 when the Q6600 came out and now when multitasking it's really showing it's age.

An i3 would do that no problem. Pair it with an inexpensive H87/B85 motherboard from the OP. And get an SSD.

If you want to do emulation, get the $70 Pentium Anniversary Edition and pair it with a Z97 motherboard. Then overclock it to 4.2-4.6 GHz. It'll also play Dota 2 really well.

Ok, I did my research. Partially on a thread that you made. I'm convinced. 144hz it is. Thanks, I think I would've regretted buying the 60Hz monitor.

You won't regret it. Welcome to real next gen!

 

[PrematureQuiche]

I might be being an idiot but for some reason I want to replace my broken monitor for an ultrawide one. I found this one for quite a good price. Any good? Or should I just get a better 16:9 one?

 

[hawkshockey11]

The 300W PSU is iffy since it's don't know how much it delivers on 12V.
Price is GTX 460 though. ~$60
VP450/CX430 - $40

I use it no problem, but someones they can go bad. You can buy SATA converters if it makes you feel more comfortable.

Thanks. I found one online with really good reviews after sifting through a lot of crap ones so I feel comfortable,

 

[Ray Wonder]

If I want to take my hdd that has windows 7 installed on it, to my new build that will have windows 7 on my new ssd. Will that cause any problems?

 

[JordanN]

Edit: My PC is on its way out. Just had the GPU completely start flickering. I rebooted it and got it working but I fear it's not going to last.

I'm hoping to replace the GPU, PSU and monitor.

Specs:
CPU: i7 860
GPU: HD 7770 (dying)
RAM: 12GB
Monitor: Asus Vh236 (dying)
PSU: 300 watt (I'm surprised I got away with this)
MOBO: Intel dh55tc

I already got a hard drive, windows 7, PC Case and mouse + keyboard.

Budget: Last time I spent $1000 but I'm not sure if I can afford that again. So I'll try under $500. I'm also in Canada.

Other: I mostly do 3D modeling and level design in Unreal Engine 4. Deadline is very urgent, I'm hoping to replace this immediately. I never overclocked.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

The 300W PSU is iffy since it's don't know how much it delivers on 12V.
Price is GTX 460 though. ~$60
VP450/CX430 - $40

Thanks for this. Maybe by the end of the year I'll be able to swing it. Seems like a good path to go.

 

[crooked spin]

What are my options if I suspect that my Hyper 212 EVO is not installed properly? Just ran Cinebench on my new computer and while the CPU cores idle around 32C the temps shot up into the 90s during the CPU test . This is the ONE thing I really didn't want to fuck up...

 

[Hazaro]

What are my options if I suspect that my Hyper 212 EVO is not installed properly? Just ran Cinebench on my new computer and while the CPU cores idle around 32C the temps shot up into the 90s during the CPU test . This is the ONE thing I really didn't want to fuck up...

Watch an install video and remount

 

[Smokey]

Just turned PCI-E link state power management off. If that works, I want to kiss you.

I had to reinstall Windows. Something had my machine going crazy. Enabling SLI would force me to reset the machine at which point it would go into a infinite loop where Windows kept throwing blue screens. Horrible stuttering in games. Never seen anything like it.

 

[ChrisMahoney]

Are PCI-e SSDs affordable yet, or is Apple the only ones to figure that out still?

Also can Windows boot with PCI-e SSDs by default now?

 

[Granadier]

Are PCI-e SSDs affordable yet, or is Apple the only ones to figure that out still?

Also can Windows boot with PCI-e SSDs by default now?

They seem to still be around 2 - 4 times the price of a 2.5" SSD.

 

[eBay Huckster]

So is it worthwhile dropping an extra $9 on 2x8GB DDR3-2400 (CAS 11) over DDR3-1866 (9), or is Newegg trying to catch me in a clever ruse to take my money?

(This is my current part list otherwise. Budget is now $400 higher than it originally was, though I don't anticipate actually crossing over the $1900 mark.)

 

[CreepingFear]

I had to reinstall Windows. Something had my machine going crazy. Enabling SLI would force me to reset the machine at which point it would go into a infinite loop where Windows kept throwing blue screens. Horrible stuttering in games. Never seen anything like it.

Damn, that sucks. I really don't want to have to reinstall Windows. I went from Windows 7>Windows8>8.1. I'm not sure how I'd go about re-installing it. I hope worst case scenario would be using the 8 upgrade key and a windows 8 iso, then dling the 8.1 update.

 

[Hazaro]

So is it worthwhile dropping an extra $9 on 2x8GB DDR3-2400 (CAS 11) over DDR3-1866 (9), or is Newegg trying to catch me in a clever ruse to take my money?

(This is my current part list otherwise. Budget is now $400 higher than it originally was, though I don't anticipate actually crossing over the $1900 mark.)

On Haswell on that budget yes.

 

[Icomp]

What keyboard/mouse do people use for couch gaming?

I'm sitting around 5-6m away from the TV

 

[DjRalford]

What keyboard/mouse do people use for couch gaming?

I'm sitting around 5-6m away from the TV

I got a standard USB Microsoft keyboard and sidewinder mouse, a 10m usb extension run round the room to a powered hub which does my tactical alpha headset too. Only safe way of keeping wired with the kids charging around

 

[luffeN]

I might be being an idiot but for some reason I want to replace my broken monitor for an ultrawide one. I found this one for quite a good price. Any good? Or should I just get a better 16:9 one?

It depends on what you are going to do with it. Do you want 120/144 fps in your games and make it super smooth? Then go for a good 16:9 monitor (for the record, I currently don't know if 21:9 with 144hz exist). Of course there are more scenarios such as work and so on.

I recently ordered an LG 29EB73-P for work. It can adjust the height compared to the EA model, has nice colors, a good screen splitting software if you need that and the speakers are decent for when you don't want do use headphones. The only "problem" I have is that it wobbles a little bit when I type. But I have to say that my desk is a cheap Ikea one and that I am a translator with a mechanical keyboard. Also, if you are watching movies that are not 21:9 then you will have black bars on the sides. I have yet to try a game with a 21:9 resolution (my work laptop is not built for games).

If you are satisfied with one screen than go for a good 16:9. If you want two screens in one and for work and so on then look at the model above or your model (but 2 1920x1080 screens are of course better than one 2560x1080 screen).

One last thing - the 21:9 is comparable to a 22 inch in height IIRC. So if you currently own a 24 inch for example then it will look a bit smaller in that regards.

EB on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00H2DK0I0/
EA on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GFP9QF4/

 

[Dries]

Guys, is it worth choosing the Samsung 850 Pro over the 840 EVO?