Sam Wilson (The Falcon) is the New Captain America
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He forgot where he left the super serum and now cannot find it.
It can happen to anyone!
Pai Pai Master
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Because reasons.
wolverine's son daken too
Angelus Errare
Banned
Famous? Unfortunately not many. But there are some great Asian characters who should more exposure.
Marvel
Hazmat
Karma
Surge
Mantis - Technically she's not Asian because she's an alien but meh.
Nico Minoru
Shang Chi
Omega Sentinel
Sunfire
Jubilee
DC
Dr. Light
Katana
Cheshire
Fever (I think)
AbsolutBro
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Shit, what ever happened to the Runaways anyway? Last I read of them was like, Civil war or Whedon's "time travel back to victorian england" crap.
Falcon is one of Cap's oldest partners, after Bucky, who is otherwise occupied. He's actually worn the suit previously, as have like 13 other guys. Having someone stand in for Cap is as old as the comics themselves.
So I clearly have no problem with him standing in for Steve, while they try to fix his loss of the super-soldier serum (which they've been foreshadowing for more than a year now). Of course it's not permanent, any more than any other time Cap has been out of the picture, which happens pretty often. Just recently he was dead, and after that lost in an alternate dimension.
I presume Sam won't have super-serum, just his own skills and, I'd guess, so gadgety stuff to help him match up to Cap's abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if those are his wings we see wrapping around his upper ribcage on the sides.
So I clearly have no problem with him standing in for Steve, while they try to fix his loss of the super-soldier serum (which they've been foreshadowing for more than a year now). Of course it's not permanent, any more than any other time Cap has been out of the picture, which happens pretty often. Just recently he was dead, and after that lost in an alternate dimension.
I presume Sam won't have super-serum, just his own skills and, I'd guess, so gadgety stuff to help him match up to Cap's abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if those are his wings we see wrapping around his upper ribcage on the sides.
A story where you know there will be no real consequence is always rather lacking. It's an unfortunate thing, but can you really say that anything within the Marvel universe was really shook up when you know that Steve will be back in 3 months? Thor in 6?
It feels like the only real permanent deaths that stayed meaningful was Jean Grey and Nightcrawler, and even then, I'm waiting for them to get dusted off when they decide that Xmen is getting stale again.
AbsolutBro
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I mean, we currently have an Arab american Ms. Marvel. I don't know how well that book is doing though.
Spike Spiegel
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A little extra "meta" there as well, since the guy Ororo's looking for is about to be "dead" for an undetermined period of time too.
I don't know how well it's doing, but I'm really enjoying it. It reminds me a lot of classic Peter Parker trying to balance home, school, and super heroing.
It's currently Marvel's highest selling female led book.
DoktorEvil
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Aren't the majority of comic book fans ok for changes like having a black Captain America or a female Thor?
The only thing that matters in comic books are the stories and lore that are built around the heroes. (Wishful thinking I know, but I should check to see how different sales numbers are when a origin comic book character is replaced with another character in that universe)
IncandescentPrecept
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Angelus Errare
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They were involved with this whole Avengers Arena thing (basically battle royale, Avengers Academy kids + Runaways + a few randoms). After that ended the survivors became part of this new series called Avengers Undercover.
There's a not-small number of comic fans who hate change in general, and a lot of them get especially rowdy when race, gender, or sexuality issues get involved.
This Sam Wilson thing is a perfect example. The only reason some folk are mad is because Sam is black, which automatically makes it "PC" and a "social statement" in their minds. Nevermind that Sam has basically been Cap's "Robin" for decade and is the logical choice to take the mantle. He's a black man, so it's automatically pandering and Marvel trying to make a statement.
You joke, but as far as comic sales go, it's doing pretty well.
I broke down the of female led comics for the Big Two yesterday:
Angelus Errare
Banned
I thought it was second to "X-Men" ?
And they know better, they know they will change it back with in a year.
Cyclops is a top 5 shittiest Marvel character of all time.
OriginofHysteria
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To quote Thank You For Smoking:
"Thank God we invented the...you know, whatever device."
IncandescentPrecept
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Arabian Knight, he even has a Mossad partner.
Yeah, I'm talking about a superhero that people know. Like an arab Iron Man or mongolian Spider-Man. Let's be honest - that is never going to happen.
ViewtifulJC
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Nor should it, they should come up on their own. Luke Cage was joke for 95% of his history but now he is a major player in the superhero landscape.
AbsolutBro
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Zen_Arcade
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That's an ugly Captain America costume. Falcon is cool though, I wish JRJR wasn't on the Cap book when it relaunched so I'd have motivation to start from the beginning of these events.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Baz
The newest Green Lantern is an Arab-American man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Baz
I only counted solo titles, but yeah, X-Men is first (39,499 units sold in May).
Sibersk Esto
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Everyone talking about Anthony replacing Evans are forgetting that Cap turns into a crotchety old man. I fully expect Cap 4 to feature Mackie Captain America led by Clint Eastwood
I'd actually like to see a Dubai Iron Man. Dubairon Man.
Not the best example since his origin invovles a car bomb and blowing up something.
DoktorEvil
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Wow, that's really stupid.
Even the most ardent purist of comics can't argue when someone whose a well established character in a universe becomes the new face of the hero costume.
This is anything but PC or a social statement. This is keeping continuity within that universe.
Because he's a black hole for charisma.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
RIP
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
They need more Asian men in the ranks.
Zen_Arcade
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Sure, but Luke Cage started off as a thief and a gang member. Look at him now. Who doesn't like Luke Cage?
Their inner cynic knows that Marvel is doing it for publicity first and foremost. I mean, they announced female Thor on the View. Plus real Thor is still around as the Unworthy Thor, thereby splitting up Thor the character and Thor the title.
When an affirmative action legacy is done in a well told story, fans are more positive towards it. Compare the response to Renee Montoya (Hispanic lesbian) becoming the Question in 52 in a protracted, well told story involving the previous Question Vic Sage that had tons of character development for both of them to when Firestorm got unceremoniously killed in Identity Crisis, a book that he had little to no involvement in, and then replaced with a black kid a few months later.
that was the 70s, DC should know better in 2012
Well when white bread boy scout Cap finally decided to touch himself...
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