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[Digital-Hero]

Hold up.

Did you just defend apartheid? Because it's a self defined Jewish state it's okay for non-Jews to be treated as second class citizens?

England is a Christian country, should we treat all the non-believers as second class citizens too?

Thats a load of crap. The nation is mostly secular.

 

[Terra Firma]

Why do you keep posting articles from a site run by a self-proclaimed anti-Zionist, a site that has been accused numerous times of being anti-Semitic?

With this logic, we cannot use any Western sources because they are all biased towards Israel. Do you dispute what is being reported? That is not an opinion piece.

Israel didnt "go back" on the deal. They arrested those that may have been involved in the kidnappings, and all likelihood will be released once investigations are completed. If they went back on the deal, they would have re-arrested the entire 1000 that were freed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28371966

The available evidence suggests that the kidnapping had not been authorised by Hamas' political leadership but seemed to be the work of members of a powerful Hebron clan, with a history of carrying out rogue attacks in opposition to the Hamas leadership.

 

[TheContact]

Do you even know the amount of stuff that is banned in Gaza due to the blockade? Here's some:

The article says prior to 2010, does that mean they're allowed now? Even still there are a lot of basic needs on there..

With this logic, we cannot use any Western sources because they are all biased towards Israel. Do you dispute what is being reported? That is not an opinion piece.

To be fair all western sources isn't comparable to one admitted racist.

 

[LNBL]

Why do you keep posting articles from a site run by a self-proclaimed anti-Zionist, a site that has been accused numerous times of being anti-Semitic?

Here have some other sources:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140717/OPINION01/307170004

http://www.btselem.org/press_release/20140716_al_wafa_hospital

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12830-israel-shells-hospital-in-gaza

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs...warning-missiles-gaza-city-geriatric-hospital

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/human-catastrophe-at-gazas-hospitals/

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...rehab-hospital-director/article1-1241638.aspx

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/18/371841/israel-bombs-more-hospitals-in-gaza/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel...abilitative-hospital-in-gaza-unlawful/5391745

This is from B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

B’Tselem has discovered that the Israeli military included the al-Wafaa rehabilitative hospital in a-Shuja’iyeh neighborhood in the demand it issued to residents of the a-Shuja’iyeh and a-Zeitun neighborhoods to evacuate their homes by today, July 16, 2014 at 8:00 AM. Hospital Director Basman al-‘Ashi told B’Tselem over the phone that the hospital received a recorded message last night at around 11:10 PM, saying that a-Shuja’iyeh residents must leave the area and move north to the city center. Shortly thereafter, at around 11:30 PM, the hospital received another phone call from a person saying he was from the military who repeated the demand to evacuate the hospital specifically.

According to al-‘Ashi, the hospital currently has 17 patients, between the ages of 14 and 95, all suffering from different degrees of paralysis. There are also some thirty staff members in the hospital at this time and a number of international activists. Al-‘Ashi clarified that there is no intention to evacuate the hospital, noting that this was one of the only hospitals in Gaza to offer rehabilitative treatment for patients in these conditions.

The military’s demand to evacuate the hospital is unlawful. A hospital is not a military target and the military may not target it even after it is evacuated. The information B’Tselem has indicates that the hospital was ordered to evacuate as part of the sweeping demand to evacuate the entire neighborhood, in blatant disregard for the fact that evacuating a rehabilitation institution is a complicated task which may put lives at risk. There is no other rehabilitative institute in the area where patients can be transferred. These patients require special conditions that cannot be recreated. Transferring hospital patients is complicated and dangerous at the best of times. Under the current conditions in Gaza, the danger is mortal.

http://www.btselem.org/press_release/20140716_al_wafa_hospital

 

[Digital-Hero]

""He is a prisoner, and if Zionists lie about the dead and wounded, then the fate of this soldier is their responsibility," the spokesman said."


And you guys will keep on dying. The cycle continues.

 

[RageBot]

No, the Gaza strip is just the strip where they have been walled in with nowhere else to go but the sea. Israel has taken more than enough land everywhere else in the surrounding areas and to argue against that is laughable.



Sorry, I don't buy the "it's the fault of HAMAS for the innocents getting bombed" line. No, it is not the most densely populated area on Earth, but it is surely ONE of them, as is well known. And once again, they are walled in like rats with nowhere to run and to argue that they are wrong for being pissed about being forced to live under such conditions is a joke. Furthermore, so is trying to shrug off the grossly disproportionate force being applied as nothing more than, "whoops, we are just stronger."

I don't recall i've ever argued against that, if anything I said that Israel should evacuate the Settlements.
And "as is well known" doesn't mean anything, it isn't the most densely populated area on earth, it isn't one of them, it isn't even among the top 200.

I've also never stated that they have nothing to be angry about, it seems like you're arguing mostly against a strawman, i've told you why shooting rockets only harms them.

And i'll ask (again?), if we can't use grossly disproportionate force, how would you like us to stop Hamas firing rockets? No, leaving land won't help, they've already proved so in 2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

And you can be damn sure that we would do our best for the safety of Israeli civilians, if you think we can do better, while having similar or better rates of success, please tell me.

 

[RustyNails]

The article says prior to 2010, does that mean they're allowed now? Even still there are a lot of basic needs on there..

The list is ever changing. Israel Human Rights group Gisha is feverishly hounding Israel over this blockade. Generally, the restrictions have softened over time. But imagine 1.5 million population in a city the size of Mobile Alabama under this blockade. There are bound to be some angry and frustrated people.

A list of items which Israel allowed for commercial import has been compiled by the BBC[3] from information from international groups including Israeli Human Rights Organisation Gisha. Humanitarian organisations, including UN agencies, which also bring goods into Gaza have their items approved or rejected on "a case-by-case basis". The items allowed are always changing, and commercial and humanitarian importers, according to BBC, "are constantly attempting to guess what will be approved."[3]

Gisha have said that their list is approximate, partial and it changes from time to time because Israeli authorities refuse to disclose information regarding the restrictions on transferring goods into Gaza. Gisha acquires information from Palestinian traders, international organizations, and the Palestinian Coordination Committee, "all of whom "deduce" what is permitted and what is banned based on their experience requesting permission to bring goods into Gaza and the answers they receive from the Israeli authorities".[20]

In January 2010, the Israeli human rights group Gisha took Israeli authorities to court, it attempt to force them to reveal which goods were permitted and which goods weren't. Israeli State denied it has "a list of permitted goods" for months. However, "in its updated response to a petition [21] submitted by Gisha under the Freedom of Information Act, the State recently admitted that it does have a list of permitted goods and other documents relating to the transfer of goods to Gaza,[22] but claimed that revealing them would harm state security and/or Israel's foreign relations. A hearing to determine whether the documents should be revealed will be held in October 2010." [23] Gisha reported that since Israel tightened the blockade on Gaza an average of 2,300 trucks entered the strip every month, about a quarter of the number of trucks before 2007.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

This is the most poorly executed genocide ever if that's the case.

Just because the Jewish people were victims of the most well known genocide in modern times doesn't mean you get to throw the word genocide around for any Israeli aggression. Not to belittle the plight of the Palestinians but it is not a genocide in any way shape or form. Calling it that just hardens hearts on every side

The fact that you're more concerned about responding to my post in order to split hairs about the definition of genocide, instead of voicing any opposition to the deaths, says alot about you I think. But I've seen your blind Israeli defense in other posts so its not shocking.

Israeli forces killed at least 100 Palestinians on Sunday, including 66 people in a single neighborhood of Gaza City, bringing the 13-day death toll to at least 437 people, the vast majority civilians and at least 100 children.

Early Sunday morning, Israel indiscriminately shelled the eastern Gaza City neighborhood of Shujaiya, destroying homes and buildings. Dozens of the dead and hundreds of injured and maimed people were pulled from the rubble.

Inside al-Shifa hospital, Gaza’s main medical center, a doctor says that the majority of those injured are children, and that the morgue was over capacity with victims of the massacre.

Yeah, I think shelling hospitals and flattening entire neighbourhoods can be defined as genocidal actions. I'm sorry if my terminology upsets you, but maybe you should go find photos of the hundreds of children killed in just a few days- hopefully that upsets you just a bit more. Is massacre better? No wait, how about "very targetted and careful attacks by the most moral army on the planet". Sorry, that's the PR that we're supposed to use.

 

[KingFire]

I am really surprised at the lenient mods' treatment of posters who are basically blaming the victims in this situation.

GAF is known to be pretty strict about this sort of behavior. For example, if a poster says that a lady deserved to be raped because of her clothing, walking alone at night, or being attractive, that poster will sure get a taste of the hammer.

Here, I see tons of posters who say stuff like the Palestinians should have listened to the warnings, they kinda deserved to be killed because Hamas, they should have walked to the next street etc...

Victim blaming is the worst and should not be tolerated. Killing innocent people is much worse than rape.

 

[ironcreed]

Even Gilad Sharon (son of Ariel Sharon) is calling for a collective punishment of the entire population.

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.

here is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip. Otherwise there will be no decisive victory. And we’re running out of time – we must achieve victory quickly. The Netanyahu government is on a short international leash. Soon the pressure will start – and a million civilians can’t live under fire for long. This needs to end quickly – with a bang, not a whimper.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/A-decisive-conclusion-is-necessary

 

[Terra Firma]

I don't recall i've ever argued against that, if anything I said that Israel should evacuate the Settlements.
And "as is well known" doesn't mean anything, it isn't the most densely populated area on earth, it isn't one of them, it isn't even among the top 200.

I've also never stated that they have nothing to be angry about, it seems like you're arguing mostly against a strawman, i've told you why shooting rockets only harms them.

And i'll ask (again?), if we can't use grossly disproportionate force, how would you like us to stop Hamas firing rockets? No, leaving land won't help, they've already proved so in 2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

And you can be damn sure that we would do our best for the safety of Israeli civilians, if you think we can do better, while having similar or better rates of success, please tell me.

Why did Israel assassinate Hamas personnel during a ceasefire where Hamas had stopped firing rockets?

And no, blockading someone's land, turning it into a prison is not something that is a positive. If Israel was locked in with all air, water, and land routes to it being blocked by the Arab nations, you can be sure that Israel would start a war.

 

[LNBL]

Why do you keep posting articles from a site run by a self-proclaimed anti-Zionist, a site that has been accused numerous times of being anti-Semitic?

Since you are accusing me of doing that prior to that post, please link me to my previous posts in which I repeatedly used that website as a source. I expect you to reply with a answer and to not just ignore this and drive by later again with accusations.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Why do you keep posting articles from a site run by a self-proclaimed anti-Zionist, a site that has been accused numerous times of being anti-Semitic?

[...].

I think its fair to understand mondoweisse as critical of Israel and biased; but going so far as to cal it antisemitic is not addressing the critiques presented. Mondoweisse gets support from the left-progressive spectrum.

Its strange how being anti-Zionist becomes translated to antisemitic or Israeli hater. Is a pro-Zionist position; less valid, more valid, or equally as valid?

 

[Terra Firma]

For those blaming Hamas only, here's a reminder:
http://blog.thejerusalemfund.org/2012/12/israeli-ceasefire-violations-in-gaza.html

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

I am really surprised at the lenient mods' treatment of posters who are basically blaming the victims in this situation.

GAF is known to be pretty strict about this sort of behavior. For example, if a poster says that a lady deserved to be raped because of her clothing, walking alone at night, or being attractive, that poster will sure get a taste of the hammer.

Here, I see tons of posters who say stuff like the Palestinians should have listened to the warnings, they kinda deserved to be killed because Hamas, they should have walked to the next street etc...

Victim blaming is the worst and should not be tolerated. Killing innocent people is much worse than rape.

I'm sitting here shocked with disbelief.

I had an Israeli acquaintance whose sibling was killed in the IDF. She was practically brainwashed into hating the other side.

I'm gonna laugh if I get banned for this, but whenever I talk to people from those parts of the world, nearly all of them come across as anachronistic warring brutes.

Their values just perpetuate war and hatred. I don't understand it, and never will. They're continuing a legacy of violence and hate that destroys the soul.

Think about it, both sides are practically assembly lines of hate-footsoldiers. Each generation more ambiguously bitter than the last.

 

[ironcreed]

I don't recall i've ever argued against that, if anything I said that Israel should evacuate the Settlements.
And "as is well known" doesn't mean anything, it isn't the most densely populated area on earth, it isn't one of them, it isn't even among the top 200.

I've also never stated that they have nothing to be angry about, it seems like you're arguing mostly against a strawman, i've told you why shooting rockets only harms them.

And i'll ask (again?), if we can't use grossly disproportionate force, how would you like us to stop Hamas firing rockets? No, leaving land won't help, they've already proved so in 2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

And you can be damn sure that we would do our best for the safety of Israeli civilians, if you think we can do better, while having similar or better rates of success, please tell me.

So killing of innocent civilians is justified with such force? Reigning death and destruction in acts of collective punishment is never the answer. The only solution to this is at the table and if Israel wants the Palestinians to recognize their right to exist and stop rocket attacks, efforts should be made to do the same.

Keeping them under siege and then bombing them into oblivion every time they lash out as a direct result of such treatment is not the solution. Never has been and never will be. The way it's headed, the only way it will ever end is when Israel finally drives the last of them out for good and occupies the rest of the land. Which is what they obviously want anyway.

 

[GaimeGuy]

The fact that you're more concerned about responding to my post in order to split hairs about the definition of genocide, instead of voicing any opposition to the deaths, says alot about you I think.



Yeah, I think shelling hospitals and flattening entire neighbourhoods can be defined as genocidal actions. I'm sorry if my terminology upsets you, but maybe you should go find photos of the hundreds of children killed in just a few days- hopefully that upsets you just a bit more. Is massacre better? No wait, how about "very targetted and careful attacks by the most moral army on the planet". Sorry, that's the PR that we're supposed to use.

Why are you antagonizing me?

 

[Terra Firma]

So killing of innocent civilians is justified with such force? Reigning death and destruction in acts of collective punishment is never the answer. The only solution to this is at the table and if Israel wants the Palestinians to recognize their right to exist and stop rocket attacks, efforts should be made to do the same.

Keeping them under siege and then bombing them into oblivion every time they lash out as a direct result of such treatment is not the solution. Never has been and never will be. The way it's headed, the only way it will ever end is when Israel finally drives the last of them out for good and occupies the rest of the land. Which is what they obviously want anyway.

Hamas had joined Fatah in a unity government right before this assault began. They were willing to recognize Israel, willing to get the 1967 borders instead of removing Israel, willing to move towards peace.

 

[jett]

heh at this GAF ad:

Nope.

 

[hylian_pirate]

This is an old article by Gilad Sharon. It gives you an idea of what goes on in the minds of some of the Israelis.

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.

The Gaza Strip functions as a state – it has a government and conducts foreign relations, there are schools, medical facilities, there are armed forces and all the other trappings of statehood. We have no territorial conflict with “Gaza State,” and it is not under Israeli siege – it shares a border with Egypt. Despite this, it fires on our citizens without restraint.

Why do our citizens have to live with rocket fire from Gaza while we fight with our hands tied? Why are the citizens of Gaza immune? If the Syrians were to open fire on our towns, would we not attack Damascus? If the Cubans were to fire at Miami, wouldn’t Havana suffer the consequences? That’s what’s called “deterrence” – if you shoot at me, I’ll shoot at you. There is no justification for the State of Gaza being able to shoot at our towns with impunity. We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/A-decisive-conclusion-is-necessary

 

[ironcreed]

Hamas had joined Fatah in a unity government right before this assault began. They were willing to recognize Israel, willing to get the 1967 borders instead of removing Israel, willing to move towards peace.

Indeed. Israel does not want a two state solution or compromise. They want them gone... period.

 

[RageBot]

Why did Israel assassinate Hamas personnel during a ceasefire where Hamas had stopped firing rockets?

And no, blockading someone's land, turning it into a prison is not something that is a positive. If Israel was locked in with all air, water, and land routes to it being blocked by the Arab nations, you can be sure that Israel would start a war.

Can you give me a source about the assassination?
Also, as long as no civilians are harmed, I have no problem with killing personnel of an organization (terror or otherwise) that calls for the destruction of my country:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

And it is positive, for Israeli citizens.
As long as there's a risk for Israeli civilian casualties, you can be damn sure we'll do whatever we can to prevent that.
And who knows, maybe the reason that we're not the ones under blockade in the first place is that had the situation been reversed, we would've negotiated, but anyway it's a hypothetical situation, you can say what we would've done, I can say what we would've done, but it just doesn't matter, because it's just a hypothetical situation.

 

[Pilgor]

I think its fair to understand mondoweisse as critical of Israel and biased; but going so far as to cal it antisemitic is not addressing the critiques presented. Mondoweisse gets support from the left-progressive spectrum.

Its strange how being anti-Zionist becomes translated to antisemitic or Israeli hater. Is a pro-Zionist position; less valid, more valid, or equally as valid?

Anti-Semitic Cartoons on Progressive Blogs

Mondoweiss consistently advances, among other classical anti-Semitic tropes, the argument that Jews exercise too much power over U.S. foreign policy[49] and that Jewish progressive voices on the Middle East are censored, or at least muzzled, by the “right-wing” organized Jewish community. Further, the site argues, accusations of anti-Semitism are cynically used to stifle debate. - See more at: http://jcpa.org/article/anti-semitic-cartoons-on-progressive-blogs/#sthash.WD03mwVe.dpuf

They also publish anti-Semitic cartoons, many available for view in the link.

A Reminder That Anti-Semitism Has No Place in Debates Over Israel

Mondoweiss often gives the appearance of an anti-Semitic enterprise. Site founder and editor Phil Weiss, a former writer for the American Conservative when Pat Buchanan was editor, wrote this past May, "I can justly be accused of being a conspiracy theorist because I believe in the Israel lobby theory...

 

[RustyNails]

heh at this GAF ad:

Nope.

Is it a good thing I have adaware? Because I don't see it (probably don't want to)

 

[Partial Gamification]

Has the investigation of the three Israelis abducted and killed actually linked it to Hamas? This was the trigger for this current conflict and I'd think there would be more coverage of the efforts to find out who it was that did this, and why.

 

[Pilgor]

Is it a good thing I have adaware? Because I don't see it (probably don't want to)

Notlikethis.gif

Sorry to see you go.

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

Indeed. Israel does not want a two state solution or compromise. They want them gone... period.

And Israelis say the same thing about the Palestinians to excuse their hatred.

 

[Zen]

Why do you keep posting articles from a site run by a self-proclaimed anti-Zionist, a site that has been accused numerous times of being anti-Semitic?

You mean Philip Weiss, a practicing Jewish man who happens to be anti Zionist and thus is dismissed as an anti-semitic self hating jew for going against the official party line?

While we are on that topic:

 

[RustyNails]

They certainly do run the schools! They also name their schools after terrorists.

lol durr terrists. Any other argument? You like to drive by a lot.

 

[Sapphire Dreams]

Let me say this as an Arab person who lives in the middle east.

I do not hate Jews, never did. But I am sad to say that I am a minority here, a lot of people have grown to hate Zionists and in turn they started to put Zionism and Judaism together as if one cannot be complete without the other but that is not true, you don't need to be Jewish to be Zionist and don't need to be Zionist to be Jewish. My personal hatreds are against Zionism's crimes against humanity and not Jews. I just wanted to clear that out so nobody would claim that I am an antisemitic person.

What happens in Palestine is nothing short of a massacre and had been going on for nearly 50 years since the six day war in 1967 and maybe even before that. Israel made immense crimes against humanity and no one can deny that, but at the same time I am having a very hard time supporting Palestine when they're doing methods that clearly doesn't work. Violence and Jihadist ways of doing things does not work and will not work against Israel because they're a too powerful foe to fight against so they will never win when they're at a huge disadvantage.

The only solution to this matter is trying their best to make a peace treaty but is seems like neither side is interested in making one (Remember what happened to Rabin?). Fatah seems like they want to make a peace treaty but Hamas clearly doesn't which caused a long conflict between the two groups which caused Hamas to take over the Gaza strip back in 2007. Not all Palestinians support Hamas but a lot do because they think they're the only one who has the courage to fight Israel among the Arabs but they are thinking emotionally and not rationally. I get it, they say their loved ones die by the hands of The Israeli but violence didn't work and will not work. So a peace treaty is the only thing that could stop this but a lot of people would see this as giving up and it's a form of weakness. I see it that sometimes it is the right thing to do and a lot of nations have risen to be great after giving up in war, Germany and Japan are the prime examples.

This is my take on the matter and I hope I didn't sound biased.

 

[Syriel]

Hamas had joined Fatah in a unity government right before this assault began. They were willing to recognize Israel, willing to get the 1967 borders instead of removing Israel, willing to move towards peace.

Except, they weren't.

http://www.newsweek.com/mahmoud-abb...nity-government-would-recognize-israel-248761

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters: "The recognition of Israel by the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, is not new. What is important is that Hamas did not and will never recognize Israel."

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-israel-a-red-line-for-hamas-says-abu-marzouk

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — “Hamas will not recognize Israel,” Mousa Abu Marzouk, deputy chairman of Hamas’ political bureau, told Al-Monitor in an exclusive interview.

“This is a red line that cannot be crossed,” said the 63-year-old Hamas leader who played a pivotal role in achieving the reconciliation deal with Fatah on April 23.

Abu Marzouk’s remarks come as Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas meet in Qatar. The Hamas leader added that the Quartet’s requirement that Hamas recognize Israel “do not concern us one bit.”

“We would have spared ourselves seven years of misery under the siege and two wars in 2008 and 2012 had we wanted to recognize Israel,” he said.

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

This is an old article by Gilad Sharon. It gives you an idea of what goes on in the minds of some of the Israelis.



http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/A-decisive-conclusion-is-necessary

Good God...

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Maybe some of you "It's Hamas fault because they didn't accept the ceasefire terms" should read this, and learn some basic facts. They weren't even fucking consulted on it, and Israel/Egypt didnt even respond to their requests for amendments. It gave the Palestians absolutely nothing, returning them to the status quo of being suffocated and starved by a brutal blockade. The whole thing was a joke, yet it served its purpose in the PR narrative.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...asefire-escalate-war-2014719173840867406.html

 

[RustyNails]

Notlikethis.gif

Sorry to see you go.

Is it banned? I had no idea.

 

[RageBot]

So killing of innocent civilians is justified with such force? Reigning death and destruction in acts of collective punishment is never the answer. The only solution to this is at the table and if Israel wants the Palestinians to recognize their right to exist and stop rocket attacks, efforts should be made to do the same.

Keeping them under siege and then bombing them into oblivion every time they lash out as a direct result of such treatment is not the solution. Never has been and never will be. The way it's headed, the only way it will ever end is when Israel finally drives the last of them out for good and occupies the rest of the land. Which is what they obviously want anyway.

Hamas doesn't want to negotiate with us, so no table, we've negotiated with Fatah, no deaths in the west bank, and sure we should evacuate the west bank too, but go ahead and convince the average Israeli that it won't come back and bite us.

Again, Hamas doesn't want to speak to us, and doesn't recognize our right to exist, what can we do to stop them from bombing us, other than bombing launching sites?

And again, why do you think we want to drive the Palestinians in the Gaza strip off? As you've seen, it's in constant population growth, and we've actually evacuated all of our settlements from the Gaza strip.

It seeme to me like you act on the base belief that Israel/the Israelies wish is to drive the Palestinians off, can you give me solid proof of that? (And no, the fact that there are a lot of Palestinian casulties don't point to that, considering that the Gazan population grows constantly).

 

[Cake Boss]

How long until the other arab countries get involved or are they all afraid of Israel's big fat sister?

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Has the investigation of the three Israelis abducted and killed actually linked it to Hamas? This was the trigger for this current conflict and I'd think there would be more coverage of the efforts to find out who it was that did this, and why.

No, and Israel hasn't put forth a shred of evidence to make that link. But as usual, the mainstream media parrots Israel's talking points on focuses only on what Isarel wants them to focus on- so no, it appears noone actually gives a shit who really killed the teens.

 

[Sapphire Dreams]

How long until the other arab countries get involved or are they all afraid of Israel's big fat sister?

Too busy fasting and drinking Vimto at sunset to act.

 

[LNBL]

Notlikethis.gif

Sorry to see you go.

Are you going to reply to my posts or just ignore them? I'm still waiting to see what you based your claim on.

 

[TheContact]

Looking at that list, The only peace Israel wants is where all resistance to occupation is eliminated and Israel has as much land as possible.

If that was the case they wouldn't have given land back to Egypt in exchange for peace

 

[Partial Gamification]

Anti-Semitic Cartoons on Progressive Blogs



They also publish anti-Semitic cartoons, many available for view in the link.

A Reminder That Anti-Semitism Has No Place in Debates Over Israel

I'm not seeing the antisemitism at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. They [mondoweisse] seem critical of Israeli policy and not of Jews. Hitler frenching Netanyahu might be offensive but its the artful shock-value of an editorial cartoon. I'm not convinced the publication is expressly antisemitic. It is certainly biased.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

In the West Bank(Not Gaza) they blew up two homes of the suspected Hamas members suspected in playing a role in the kidnappings. The homes were empty, nobody was killed. It was a controlled demolition.

Let's cover what you are advocating. This is destruction of personal property without a trial or actual charged levied. They destroyed homes as a form of collective punishment. That is a war crime. Destruction of a civilian target by association. How is that an "ok" act?

Israel didnt "go back" on the deal. They arrested those that may have been involved in the kidnappings, and all likelihood will be released once investigations are completed. If they went back on the deal, they would have re-arrested the entire 1000 that were freed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28371966

Yup. These people have been arrested without charge and due process. Again these are basic him rights being denied. Indefensible.

 

[Moussi]

How long until the other arab countries get involved or are they all afraid of Israel's big fat sister?

Besides Syria (which has been torn apart and are still dealing with their civil war), lebanon(as a lebanese person I can tell you more than half of the lebanese population is despicable and does not want lebanon involved in this and would rather turn a blind eye) no one. All the other arab countries are Israeli puppets. Iran hasn't done shit yet. Even though they said they would. So yea, good job Israel and the USA, for turning the feeble arabs against each other while you destroy them one country at a time.

 

[ironcreed]

And Israelis say the same thing about the Palestinians to excuse their hatred.

It just bewilders me. These are people, human beings walled in like animals in piss-poor conditions being decimated like fish in a barrel. Literally running around like trapped rats, watching in horror as their friends and loved ones get bombed, not knowing if they will soon suffer the same fate. It's utterly sickening.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Why do you keep posting articles from a site run by a self-proclaimed anti-Zionist, a site that has been accused numerous times of being anti-Semitic?

What's wrong with being against Zionism?

 

[Terra Firma]

Can you give me a source about the assassination?
Also, as long as no civilians are harmed, I have no problem with killing personnel of an organization (terror or otherwise) that calls for the destruction of my country:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

And it is positive, for Israeli citizens.
As long as there's a risk for Israeli civilian casualties, you can be damn sure we'll do whatever we can to prevent that.
And who knows, maybe the reason that we're not the ones under blockade in the first place is that had the situation been reversed, we would've negotiated, but anyway it's a hypothetical situation, you can say what we would've done, I can say what we would've done, but it just doesn't matter, because it's just a hypothetical situation.

That's the oldest trick in the book to bring up the Hamas charter. Do you even bother reading the links you post? Read what Hamas has to say about the charter now:

In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons."[6]

Hamas's policies are expressed in their election and political platforms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Current_status_of_the_Charter

Ahmed Yousef, an adviser to Ismail Haniyeh, has questioned the use of the charter by Israel and its supporters to brand Hamas as a fundamentalist, terrorist, racist, anti-Semitic organization and claims that they have taken parts of the charter out of context for propaganda purposes. He claims that they dwell on the charter and ignore that Hamas has changed its views with time.[88]

As for Israel's assassination that broke the 2012 ceasefire:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...with-terms-of-november-truce.premium-1.518493

I could only find Israel's side to the story; but what is interesting is that Israel broke the ceasefire by responding back instead of going through the Egyptians as per the agreements of the ceasefire. Hamas even agreed that the rocket fire was not warranted (shows how much control Hamas has over its own elements). But the fact remains, Israel broke that ceasefire.

And Israel's violations of the ceasefire, where Hamas did not respond in any way:
http://blog.thejerusalemfund.org/2012/12/israeli-ceasefire-violations-in-gaza.html

And in 2008:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Israel–Hamas_ceasefire#Dissolution

 

[Zen]

Except, they weren't.

http://www.newsweek.com/mahmoud-abb...nity-government-would-recognize-israel-248761



http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-israel-a-red-line-for-hamas-says-abu-marzouk

Hamas has repeatedly said that they would accept settling the conflict on the 1967 borders, and under law they are not obligated to recognize Israel regardless.

 

[Moussi]

I like how Israel seems to do the same shit to different countries all the time. They always claim that hezbollah/hamas hide fucking nuclear warheads in peoples living rooms, human shields etc which is the excuse they use to defend their ethnic cleansing. So baffling how people fall for this. every. time. They use white phosphorus for the lulz every time too just to troll the world. fuck this.

 

[jchap]

I like how Israel seems to do the same shit to different countries all the time. They always claim that hezbollah/hamas hide fucking nuclear warheads in peoples living rooms, human shields etc which is the excuse they use to defend their ethnic cleansing. So baffling how people fall for this. every. time. They use white phosphorus for the lulz every time too just to troll the world. fuck this.

Ethnic cleansing isn't a few hundred casualties. If they wanted to kill more the death toll could be 1000 fold what it is.

 

[Pilgor]

Are you going to reply to my posts or just ignore them? I'm still waiting to see what you based your claim on.

You're right, you only used it once before.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121731790&postcount=108

What's wrong with being against Zionism?

Nothing. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. It's just a biased source.