Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
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Shadow Hog
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Pokémon X/Y characters.
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Braixen > Delphox
Luchador Hawk > Ninja Frog
I think Gen 3 was kinda repped in Brawl, or at least, the remakes in gen 3 were. Plus Plusle & Minun were almost certainly intended for Brawl.
As for your Sakurai thing, Sakurai already said that he selected Greninja early on, way before X and Y were finished. He looked through some designs, loved Greninja's, and made one of the figures he uses to make a moveset for him.
foxuzamaki
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Remind me who Marshal is.
theprodigy
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Fennekin's line just gets progressively worse, which is a shame because Fennekin is adorable.
Disagree entirely, Delphox is awesome.
foxuzamaki
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Damn right.
ShockingAlberto
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Except that can't be the case, because there was a Famitsu article ready that had already been printed on shelves a day or two after the reveal.
This theory doesn't make any sense. Sakurai is not a Machiavellian puppet master. The leaker was just wrong.
He actually looks similar to Chorus Kids, which led the GameFAQs leaker to speculate that Sal's source doesn't know his games too well and is naming some of them incorrectly.
Exactly, so the idea that it's illogical when we know Sakurai gets access to these things earlier is, in itself, illogical.
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C'mon guys, you make a ninja frog and it's obvious all the kids are gonna favour that. Have you missed all the Miiverse posts asking for Naruto?
He specifically mentioned starters, though.
theprodigy
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That won't stop fans from making up crazy theories!
Actually, I wouldn't put it past Sakurai to ask Monolith Soft for a retweet, just to set us up for a surprise. Many of his Miiverse updates (most notably the string of Kid Icarus updates the week Palutena was "leaked") suggest he has his finger on the pulse of what fans are expecting, and he likes to toy with us accordingly.
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Braixen's tail looks like a broomstick; that's hella cute. Maybe they should have given Delphox a hat instead of making its fur look like a tunic if they wanted to keep the witch theme going.
kuroneko0509
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Magical Fox Braixen is the better Fox
foxuzamaki
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I think you misinterpreted what I was saying, the leaker most likely had no clue when each character was going to be revealed, only some know-how of who atleast most were, what most likely happened is that the leaker thought it would be shulk after everyone else did and decided to capitalize on it
ShockingAlberto
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Also all the Lucina and Robin pictures were very careful not to show anyone or anything that had been revealed. If it were just a matter of hitting the "Fire Emblem" button instead of the "Xenoblade" button, this would be fairly annoying to coordinate a switcharoo.
C.Olimar788
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There's no doubt in my eyes that at least part of the announcement was made with the knowledge that a bunch of people expected Shulk - or, at the very least, didn't expect Lucina/Robin. The tagline for Lucina ends with a surprised "?!", after all.
Plus that trailer was most likely decided months in advance for that date due to the Fire Emblem Thracia and F-Zero X anniversaries.
ShockingAlberto
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I think that was more about everyone expecting Chrom.
Which would probably be true even without the leak. There's been sort of a pattern to Fire Emblem reps.
JStein0222
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Okay I got a question. I'm a bit unfamiliar with how game development works so stick with me. But I'm just kinda curious. How much power does Mr. Sakurai actually have? It seems like every time any decision about the game is discussed Mr. Sakurai is held responsible. Is this fair? As game director is he really the dictator in terms of characters/stages/big decisions in the like? I feel like corporate Nintendo along with key groups developing the game alongside him must have a lot to say and a pretty heavy hand in things too, right?
My theory is this:
- Fire Emblem trailer was planned all along
- Sakurai knows this; Monolith knows this
- Sakurai also knows fans expect Shulk
- Sakurai sets them up by asking Monolith Soft to retweet
- Tweet goes out, now everyone is REALLY expecting Shulk
- Fire Emblem trailer goes live, as planned all along
- Everyone shits their pants
- All bets are off
- Sakurai smiles
theprodigy
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Wait what?
foxuzamaki
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Alberto
Perhaps the leaker had an very early design draft that listed Greninja as "Pokemon from X & Y" and Robin as "Hero from Fire Emblem Awakening." Naturally, he couldn't guess who the Pokemon from X & Y was, but guessed that following trends with Roy and Ike, that it would be Chrom. This would also explain why he didn't guess Lucina since, as a Melee-style Moveset Clone, she's obviously a last minute addition as a unique character. However, Sakurai, seeing that he had two swordsmen already with Marth and Ike and a third Fire Emblem Awakening Hero who was a magic-user in Robin, he chose Robin to represent Awakening for a more unique look and moveset.
I think if any switcheroo was pulled, he probably just lied to some of the development staff that the trailer would be showing off Shulk in an attempt to throw off the leaker. Wouldn't be that hard to do, especially if he already suspected what department the leaker was in.
But again, I kinda doubt there was a switcheroo pulled.
The 14th (Monday) was F-Zero X's anniversary, the following day, the 15th was Fire Emblem's anniversary.
ShockingAlberto
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It varies from studio to studio and even team to team. Some games are real collaborative efforts, some games have a head honcho or two that oversee everything. Almost nothing in Smash gets by without Sakurai's approval.
Considering Smash is, I'm pretty sure, the best selling fighting game series of all time, they give him a fairly long rope to handle everything the way he wants.
Oh wow, I looked this up -- F-Zero X was released in Japan on July 14. It was indeed its anniversary. But Sakurai didn't make any mention of this. :-\
JB-the-Hunter
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So comic-con is this week. I'm hyped even if there's no reveal. Hopefully there's an updated demo build for the tournament. I wanna see some more VGBC moveset vids for Pac-Man, Palutena, Ike, Charizard, Captain Falcon and Robin.
Looks like you have to be reeeeeeeeeally close in order for it to work, though
Could be, but I find it likely personally, we will probably never know why they got Chrom wrong in the leak. Unless hackers find files that Chrom was being worked on or something.
JStein0222
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Thanks for the response, that's so interesting. I work in the film industry and it sounds like it would be so different. I'd kill to hang around the dev offices for a few days just to see how all the stuff goes down
ShockingAlberto
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Or. or
- Trailer was always planned for that date
- Dude from Monolith thinks "Oh, Shulk should be coming up soon, right?"
- It wasn't Shulk, but it was Fire Emblem.
- Sakurai is confused why everyone expected Shulk from a retweet.
Alternatively:
- Trailer was always planned for that date
- Dude from Monolith (and also other non-Monolith things, his life is not just Xenoblade) thinks "Oh, I like Smash Bros., I'll retweet this because I noticed it and it's cool."
- It wasn't Shulk, but it was Fire Emblem.
- Sakurai is confused why everyone expected Shulk from a retweet.
kuroneko0509
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ahh I thought it was the same date
Have ever Sakurai specifically mentioned any anniversary related before making announcement or such? I don't think recalled it.
JediLink
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Sakurai's power is absolute. He's said before that he decides everything, and his staff only follow his instructions.
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I find it weird that Nosferatu does more damage from behind when that's more of a Final Fantasy Tactics / Tactics Ogre strategy rather than Fire Emblem.
I'm guessing he's got a lot of power, but still has some limits. I think he's probably most limited with second and third party characters. But even then he has a lot of power, being able to pick Chrom over Robin, being able to pick which Pokemon from X and Y he wanted in, getting Snake in largely because he's friends with Kojima, etc.
ShockingAlberto
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You know how Edgar Wright takes total control of his movies and that's probably why he got taken off Ant-Man (you can't really do that with a movie on a strict schedule)? Sakurai is like that with Smash.
JStein0222
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You gotta believe...
I was actually making a similar connection! That's so crazy. To see so much go through one man, AHH!
Yep, I'm aware of those possibilities. That first one you suggested feels just as likely to me as the one I suggested. Them knowing Shulk's in the game might be why they retweet whenever Smash news is about to break.
Actually, on that last note, how consistent has Monolith been on that front? Do they retweet every Smash-related announcement?
C.Olimar788
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Maybe, juuuuust maybe, the supposed-leak was fake all along? Excluding the original list, of course, which could have been a legit leak while the rest was made up because Sal Romano wanted to look important and in-the-know.
No, that would be too crazy. Someone on the internet making things up? That never happens.
It's because Sakurai and their team implemented the mechanic for Shulk's back slash and decided it'd be neat for Robin's nosferatu too.
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This is exactly what I think happened. Sakurai is very aware of the Gematsu leaks and figured that even though this trailer's date was prepared far well in advance, he might as well have fun with it and get Monolith Soft to mislead the fans.
I sincerely think the reason he still looks so young is because he finds enjoyment upon the trolling of his fans. I hate to use the word trolling as it's just a very immature word, but this is exactly what he's doing.
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