Jimquisition (July 21) - The Xbox One: A Lying Failure Machine
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Prototype Viktor
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What Xbox news? The layoffs?
SerTapTap
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Layoffs and moreso the Xbox original programming winding down.
Just about everything in the initial announcement has been 180ed at this point. From DRM to the Family Plan to the Kinetic to TV TV TV.
Microsoft closing the studio working on the all the TV stuff, which Microsoft actually made a big deal of when they originally unveiled the console.
When you look at that unveiling, and look at the XB1 now, you realise that pretty much nothing from the original "vision" remains. DRM, the TV focus, the pricing, Kinect, etc... They're all gone, victimes of consecutive 180°.
Metallix87
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I'm not sure how I feel about this video. Jim usually makes good, valid points, but it seems like he's arguing that, unless Microsoft comes out and outright apologizes for everything, that we should not be happy that things have changed for the better with regards to the Xbox One.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I think this video would have been more effective if it wasn't just focused on Xbox One. The core I pull away from this video is how we shouldn't forget the contempt companies like MS and EA have for their customers, lying to customer's faces about what is "crucial" to a product when it clearly isn't (see also: SimCity's online requirement).
LiveFromKyoto
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Clearly the most evil console of all time.
Metallix87
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Wow.
I think it's more about doing all the right things from the start, rather than trying to force crap, back down when you realise it's not working and then apologising (or not apologising, actually) for it (and potentially spinning it as something positive).
Novel Mike
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Video pretty much goes over everything wrong with the system and I agree with everything he said. I've said for months that my biggest problem with Microsoft is that they haven't actually apologized for anything they've done wrong with the system and instead of blamed their customers and everyone else saying the system was 'ahead of its time' or 'people aren't ready for this innovation yet' instead of actually admitting they screwed up and they were at all sorry for screwing over pretty much everyone outside of the EA's of the world with the original idea.
gamechanger87
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Exactly
Metallix87
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There's very little to disagree with here, in terms of the events, but this is why making gaming purchases based products and services already in existence would save people from a lot of frustration and disappointment. Simply waiting until a platform has the features and games actually in place that let you justify your purchase is like a magical null-ray to protect you from overreaching marketing promises and rubbish.
Here's the thing: Approaching the hobby this way means your purchases don't have to be based on trust. Good software and platform support will be immediately rewarded. Half-baked, over (or under) ambitious products will only be rewarded when they've improved. Sadly, this is a novel idea in a business currently rooted in pre-ordering and pre-purchasing.
Here's the thing: Approaching the hobby this way means your purchases don't have to be based on trust. Good software and platform support will be immediately rewarded. Half-baked, over (or under) ambitious products will only be rewarded when they've improved. Sadly, this is a novel idea in a business currently rooted in pre-ordering and pre-purchasing.
TheRealTalker
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man what an old fashioned video player that website has
Edit: And it is still better then the GT one
Edit: And it is still better then the GT one
Byron Bluth
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Pretty much. The issue is that they were trying to beat Apple to the "Smart TV" dominance that will surely come when they unveil their TV plans.
The problem is that they tried to do this with the next XBOX, which no 360 owner or prospective buyer wanted, and their obvious grasp at the market beyond games just thought of it as a gaming machine, not TVTVTV or whatever.
So big failure all around. Honestly tho, if Kinect worked 100% and the OS was better, it may have been a big success. But broken voice recognition and a convoluted OS meant the mainstream didn't get on board.
Apple is clear for entry.
Changed for the better? At least the entertainment ideas differentiated the system from the competition. Now it's just a weaker PS4. And judging by recent NPD results that isn't going to be enough.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Anyway to watch this on a tablet?
Metallix87
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It has arguably better exclusives and arguably a better controller. It's more competitive now, and a lot of the entertainment ideas are not going away.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Also, the leadership has changed. This isn't Mattrick's Xbox anymore; it's Spencer's. This seems like a fruitless discussion now that things have changed, and things keep getting better for Xbox (huge monthly updates, renewed focus on games, etc.).
Netherscourge
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Harsh, but pretty much true.
They didn't really lie about anything though - their problem was 1.) overcharging for inferior hardware and 2.) backtracking on lot of unpopular decisions only after public backlash and competitor pressure.
They didn't really lie about anything though - their problem was 1.) overcharging for inferior hardware and 2.) backtracking on lot of unpopular decisions only after public backlash and competitor pressure.
It's their fault for implementing the features in the first place. They should be punished for attempting to enforce their anti-consumer policies in the beginning.
holding that second place badge is their punishment. Xbox One will always be a second place console. In the end it has to be this way. People know that the PS4 is superior. Hell I'm a huge Xbox-head and I know that the PS4 is pissing on the Xbox One.
But second place isn't so bad. I mean, with this in mind, MS has to improve for the better if it wants to stay relevant. Which they will, come Gamescom and beyond.
Providing good shit, andd another cut to the Bone's price won't save the bone. It'll keep it relevant, but it won't save it.
Zvonimir Boban
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Metallix87
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This as well. The new leadership is refocusing the console on games. He's not completely abandoning all of Mattrick's ideas, but he's definitely trying to save the system by shifting some priorities.
So now Microsoft listening to customers and market quos and doubling down on the things that gamers insisted were more important...is a BAD thing?
The guy who made a 100 videos shitting on every one of Microsoft's plans is now shitting on them for shifting priorities to what he wanted? Yeah, whatever.
One useful thing about this thread will be a good ignore list harvest.
The guy who made a 100 videos shitting on every one of Microsoft's plans is now shitting on them for shifting priorities to what he wanted? Yeah, whatever.
One useful thing about this thread will be a good ignore list harvest.
Delusibeta
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This is going to be an entertaining thread. I wonder how many death threats Jim will receive over the next week, and whether that number would be higher or lower than the week after he does a feminism episode?
AcademicSaucer
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I disagree about the controller since I prefer the DS4, but "better exclusives" didn't exactly help the PS3 last gen. 360 crushed it in North America relying on the same 3 or 4 franchises.
Even tough I'm pretty confident that Microsoft 180'd only because Sony is crushing them right now, and not because of a renewed sense of customer-centric marketing, I'm planning on picking up an XB1 later this year. We punished Microsoft for what they did wrong with the XB1, I think they should be rewarded for trying to make things right.
Metallix87
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The 360 had a year head start and some of the biggest exclusives of the last generation, and the PS3 struggled because of a LOT of Sony fuck ups, and yet the PS3 is still pretty close to outselling the 360 (if it hasn't already).
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
While I don't agree, this isn't talking about a person losing a life. It's a piece of kit. Let's just be clear on that.
And yes, XB1 has been sketchy. That's only part of the reason as to why it's getting outsold by the superior PS4. I use superior on purpose. From marketing and messaging to the most important thing, games. XB has been handled poorly and PS4 has not been. Simple as that right?
Unless it doesn't fit certain people's view that is.
Wow... wow...
... wow.
As for the video, I literally couldn't tell if it was satire or not. Could someone more familiar with the show/guy tell me?
Edit: From the responses in this thread I'm assuming it is serious. Well, what a truly shit video.
Audioboxer
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Harsh, but colossally shit decisions cannot just be swept under the rug or we'll end up with them being disguised as something we need next generation all over again.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
It's not that it's not true(I have no idea), but it's probably on equal footing with the DS4. The DS3 was not terrible, but was quite inferior to the 360 controller, so I am assuming most people are still going by that logic.
Phat Michael
Banned
What?
I think you're looking at it from a "what does it do for me" standpoint. Jim is looking at it from a; they tried to force a perceived anti-consumer standard(always online, controlled second hand market), telling us Kinect was needed and ect, standpoint. He didnt like how the company did business, and instead of being fine with the current rendition of the product, decided to not praise a company product, when he is unhappy with the company in general, due to their anti-consumer mannerisms.
You can think the product, now, is fine and what you originally wanted it to be yet still not praise or be happy where the system is now, due to your displeasure and/or distrust in the company. That doesnt mean the xbox doesnt have good games or is worthless, it just means that you think Microsoft did bad business and are not going to tell them good job for getting to where they need to be, despite lying or trying to manipulate the consumer.
Coffee Dog
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We shouldn't be ever so thankful that microsoft decided to stop fucking us over. We are not in any way beholden to them (at least I am not) and therefore they don't get to dig themselves out of a hole by doing the bare fucking minimum.
You do not earn praise through doing what should be standard in the first place.
All I know is none of that shit happened and they have been going out of their way to make sure it is something people want. I am not going to hold some grudge like they caused me harm. The system has the most games I want to play, a controller I like better and more features that I'll use. That is all I care about. Not some race for first place system war.
Metallix87
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I disagree on the bolded, personally.
As for the rest, you're right, it's a piece of kit, but let's be clear on this: There are hundreds of thousands of jobs connected to that piece of kit. If the Xbox One dies a quick death, those people could potentially be jobless, so let's not pretend human lives wouldn't be horribly impacted.
StrikeFirst117
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Really you want the console to fail so quickly, I'm sorry I'd rather have all 3 living, for healthy competition in the console business.
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