Jimquisition (July 21) - The Xbox One: A Lying Failure Machine

nynt9

Member
Perfect! He is absolute right.
Especially the Spencer part.
Another reason why I always have to laugh when I see the lol-worthy "I believe in Phil Spencer" pins/quotes on twitter/forums, etc.

Especially considering he's one of the people behind the $400mil NFL deal. Do people really "believe his lies", as the meme goes? He's just another executive, it's just that the MS PR department decided to change gears.

Serious question: Did Sony come out and apologize for all of their bullshit about the PS3 and PSP launches?

What bullshit are you specifically referring to? They've done a lot of apologizing for the PS3.
 

USC-fan

Banned
Worse was the nonsense they came onto gaf and said. No way we are giving up a xx% hardware advantage to the ps4.....righttt....

With a new coe it going to be fun to watch because for the longest time the gaming division just had a blank check to buy whatever they wanted. Losses were hidden by android patent money.
 

meppi

Member
I'm not sure how I feel about this video. Jim usually makes good, valid points, but it seems like he's arguing that, unless Microsoft comes out and outright apologizes for everything, that we should not be happy that things have changed for the better with regards to the Xbox One.

I think it has more to do with the problem that MS has proven to not be reliable.
Even more so, that they have lied to us in the past and continue to do so in an attempt to win over the people that they all of a sudden realise they actually need.

The whole thing of "well MS changed everything for the better so we should all forget what happened before" is something I have a bit of trouble with.
And that's coming from someone who had the 360 with over 300 games as his main system last gen, alongside the Wii.
 
But continuing to castigate them does for correcting their mistakes make sense?

PR departments do some PR and people flip their shit.



Yeah, but we're all refusing to buy PS4s because Sony were dicks last time around right?

Linux gaming PCs for everyone!

Why doesn't it make sense? I mean if someone screwed you over wouldn't you be a bit weary of trusting them again? People are saying "well since ms seems to be about games now and are fixing their problems theres no reason to keep making them pay for their mistakes". Okay thats fine but at the same time its only been a little over a year. Some people don't feel comfortable trusting them yet and thats reasonable too. Sometimes these big companies simply also tell us what we want to hear as well. I mean look at EA. Mistake after mistake and sometimes they apologize for it yet they continue with their same shady ways. I think some people need more time to see if microsoft really is focused on pleasing the consumer.
 

Einbroch

Banned
I love my Xbox One. Probably the beat console I've ever owned.

Don't know what Jim is so hurt.

How could this be true? No one should say the PS4 or One are the best consoles they've ever owned unless it's their first and only console.

There are barely any games on each system and there are broken and missing features on both. I'm sure it's a fine system, but don't get all hyperbolic now.
 

Navy Bean

Member
Really hard to defend the Xbox without sounding defensive. So I'll just say this: I really like my Xbox1. I really like my PS4. Overall I enjoy using the Xbox1 more than the PS4. And I honestly couldn't care less about the PR from either company.
 

Peterpan

Member
Not shockingly, there are people here missing the point.

Yes, Microsoft (finally) started to do the right things with their console, but only after it became clear that each and every thing they did wrong was causing the console to completely tank. It wasn't out of the goodness of their heart, or because they believe that's how a console should be handled. In fact, they quietly seem to feel the opposite; that their original vision is still the best and that consumers either didn't understand it or didn't appreciate it. We (the consumers) are the bad guys here in their eyes.

The fact that they don't seem to have any genuine remorse or understanding of their own wrong-doings when it comes to the Xbox One means they're all the more likely to commit similar mistakes in the future.
What a silly comment. Since when does a company ever do something out of the kindness of their heart. Any company takes feedback, from sales or general feedback. We as consumers decide what we want and if Microsoft do the same mistake and not learn from it, which they probably have, then we as consumers will speak again. No-one forces you to buy these luxuries and I don't think Microsoft has to apologize for anything, they had a vision it failed, they went back to the drawing board, like many of us do when we fail, we re-access and re-do and if you can not forgive someone for doing something they believed was correct then be angry, be bitter, no-one is telling you not to, but don't make it sound like they owe you something. There's people behind decisions you forget its not some machine which shows the best possible result, people make mistakes and people's inability to see that is problematic. Its just people being angry to be angry, you would be angry if they didn't change anything, so they should just die I suppose.
 

Metallix87

Member
What bullshit are you specifically referring to? They've done a lot of apologizing for the PS3.

$599 USD, all of the bullshit quotes associated with that, all of the backtracking and broken promises about hardware features, and the launch PSP's button issue and the glorious comment associated with that.
 

Silky

Banned
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of the video, so here's a summary for those who keep jumping to conclusions or are just saying stupid shit that have nothing to do with what Jim's actually trying to say.

What Jim is not saying
  • The Xbox One in its current state isn't a good console or doesn't have games et cetera.
  • The Xbox One isn't worth buying.
  • People shouldn't be happy with the current state of the console.
  • The Xbox One should die off.
What Jim is saying
  • MS started out horribly, treated its consumers like shit and blamed them for their own shortcomings. Even now they constantly lie about hardware power.
  • People shouldn't just immediately perform fellatio on them for deciding not to treat us like total shit anymore.
  • The original vision of the One and the current state is significantly different. The original vision is thankfully dead.
  • Devs/Publishers/Industry should try to treat the consumer with respect from the get go and not lie to them and try to deceive them.
  • We shouldn't be thankful for them backpedaling and doing the bare minimum, they should be thankful that we still support them now after all they've done.

Don't treat people like shit. It's literally all the vid is about. How is that so hard to understand?

People don't like watching videos and usually assume the worst from thread titles.
 
Some of the mistakes.
4 years after the PS3 was out.

Are they admitting the flaws the PS4 has right now?

Sony apologized for being hacked and extended PS3 network outages shortly after being hacked. They straight apologized. They didn't spin it. They got on stage and openly said 'We fucked up', no bullshit.
 

WaffleTaco

Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of the video, so here's a summary for those who keep jumping to conclusions or are just saying stupid shit that have nothing to do with what Jim's actually trying to say.

What Jim is not saying
  • The Xbox One in its current state isn't a good console or doesn't have games et cetera.
  • The Xbox One isn't worth buying.
  • People shouldn't be happy with the current state of the console.
  • The Xbox One should die off.
What Jim is saying
  • MS started out horribly, treated its consumers like shit and blamed them for their own shortcomings. Even now they constantly lie about hardware power.
  • People shouldn't just immediately perform fellatio on them for deciding not to treat us like total shit anymore.
  • The original vision of the One and the current state is significantly different. The original vision is thankfully dead.
  • Devs/Publishers/Industry should try to treat the consumer with respect from the get go and not lie to them and try to deceive them.
  • We shouldn't be thankful for them backpedaling and doing the bare minimum, they should be thankful that we still support them now after all they've done.

Don't treat people like shit. It's literally all the vid is about. How is that so hard to understand?

That's a good summary for people who don't watch the video. First time I watched a video by this guy and can say that I probably never will again.
 

Metallix87

Member
Sony apologized for being hacked and extended PS3 network outages shortly after being hacked. They straight apologized. They didn't spin it. They got on stage and openly said 'We fucked up', no bullshit.

Are we comparing a shift in vision to compromising the security of millions of consumers, all while also locking them out of some of their games and content for well over a month?
 

Vlodril

Member
Even tough I'm pretty confident that Microsoft 180'd only because Sony is crushing them right now, and not because of a renewed sense of customer-centric marketing, I'm planning on picking up an XB1 later this year. We punished Microsoft for what they did wrong with the XB1, I think they should be rewarded for trying to make things right.

So I should be buying a X1 to save jobs, not on the product's merits?

So far in this thread you should buy an xbox one to save jobs or to reward the company for fixing their fuckups. how about for buying it if it has things that you would find fun and you want it?

Who buys a 400 whatever machine for either those things. Seems insane to me.
 

Sephzilla

Member
So far in this thread you should buy an xbox one to save jobs or to reward the company for fixing their fuckups. how about for buying it if it has things that you would find fun and you want it?

Who buys a 400 whatever machine for either those things. Seems insane to me.

well, that's part of the 'fixing their fuckups' part
 

Markitron

Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Are we comparing a shift in vision to compromising the security of millions of consumers, all while also locking them out of some of their games and content for well over a month?

The restrictions MS wanted to impose on gamers is far worse than Sony's lacking security.
 

Metallix87

Member
So far in this thread you should buy an xbox one to save jobs or to reward the company for fixing their fuckups. how about for buying it if it has things that you would find fun and you want it?

Who buys a 400 whatever machine for either those things. Seems insane to me.

Who the heck ever said this?
 
Sony apologized for being hacked and extended PS3 network outages shortly after being hacked. They straight apologized. They didn't spin it. They got on stage and openly said 'We fucked up', no bullshit.

Theres no way to spin it. The psn hacking was being covered by not just the gaming media but the main media as well. They HAD to apologize to save some face.
 

Tagyhag

Member
It's a shame that he's right, MS should apologize, in all their 180 articles they sound like they were forced to change rather than wanting to change for the consumer. The changes are good considering their original vision was destroyed (Whether their original vision would have been better for the consumer, we'll never know, I will assume it wouldn't have been) but would they really learn their lesson if they're doing all this because they feel they're forced to?

But for those comparing both companies, Sony has immensely improved their PR but still isn't a beacon of honesty so I wouldn't use them as a standard.
 
I agree with him. I used to be a xbox player and i got to say when MS started focus on kinect the 360 started to die, the last few years were bad. When they first showed the Xbox one the only thing i could think was i hope Sony makes a gaming console or i will skip this generation.
When E3 came around i was not excited i was worried, worried that Sony would pull the same shit and the console business as we know it would die. In my eyes Microsoft tried to destroy or take away what i love, but gamers would not stand for it. We made our voices heard and we reached out to the mainstream media. We exposed what they were doing and they got backed into a corner, that is why we have the Xbox one today and that is why i will not be buying one.
 
great vid

I enjoy my XB1 and am glad they made the 180° turnaround.

Phil seems to know what he's doing, but I need some new first party games here ASAP!
 

remnant

Banned
Sony apologized for being hacked and extended PS3 network outages shortly after being hacked. They straight apologized. They didn't spin it. They got on stage and openly said 'We fucked up', no bullshit.
Of course they did. They could(and should) have been hit with lawsuits from every angle.

If the bar is "fuck up so bad that hackers have CC info and potential identity theft occurred. Then we should apologize." Fine. MS is not at that level yet. They shouldn't have to apologize for announcing a service.
 

jaypah

Member
Hey, Sony acknowledged a lot of mistakes they made with the PS3, and people think way more positively of them nowadays, so some companies actually do it and it actually works.

Did they admit them at the time or when it was time to pimp the new console that fixed all those silly problems? Regardless, even that show of good PR was probably rooted in money. Because business. Look, people can trust companies or not. That's up to the individual. I'm just saying I can't take any of them seriously because I've watched them all fuck and get fucked for decades. If they have enough stuff that I like I buy it. If I don't like their stuff I don't. No trust, no thinking that a company has 'feels'. Just a swap of money for goods because I can't trust anything that's solely motivated by money. You're asking to feel played when you do.
 

Markitron

Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I very much doubt that DRM is anywhere near as bad as criminals getting their hands on the personal information of tens of millions of users.

The difference being Sony were attacked, maybe their security could have been better but someone else was the aggressor there. The DRM was MS's plan, they wanted to restrict gamers.
 
Why doesn't it make sense? I mean if someone screwed you over wouldn't you be a bit weary of trusting them again? People are saying "well since ms seems to be about games now and are fixing their problems theres no reason to keep making them pay for their mistakes". Okay thats fine but at the same time its only been a little over a year. Some people don't feel comfortable trusting them yet and thats reasonable too. Sometimes these big companies simply also tell us what we want to hear as well. I mean look at EA. Mistake after mistake and sometimes they apologize for it yet they continue with their same shady ways. I think some people need more time to see if microsoft really is focused on pleasing the consumer.

Who did they screw over though? The always-on DRM sounded crap, people complained, they changed it before the product ever landed on shelves. You'll have to explain to me how the consumers all got the shaft there.

As for EA being dicks, as long as millions of people are happy to hand over money then why should they stop what they're doing?
 
Xbox1 is a solid system now. But the way they handled their disingenuous marketing and PR over the past year by treating customers like idiots and with such disdain left a lot of bad taste in people's mouths for a long time, and I don't think it's going to go away anytime soon imo. This has been a rough year for them so far, but I think 2015 is going to be an even steeper mountain to climb once the PS4 starts unleashing it's heavy hitters.
 

Avari

Member
But continuing to castigate them does for correcting their mistakes make sense?

PR departments do some PR and people flip their shit. Corporations don't give a shit about us, why would anyone pretend otherwise and try to position them as good guys or bad guys just to justify their own purchases? It's idiotic.

Yeah, but we're all refusing to buy PS4s because Sony were dicks last time around right?

Linux gaming PCs for everyone!

Agree with many of Jim's points, but certainly not the entirety of the video. When do big companies like Sony and Nintendo apologize? All these big companies have made statements that could be characterized as lies. Remember when rumble was a 'last generation feature' - until it wasn't? When Sony had a slow start, a start many viewed as being off putting and arrogant, it got going again by focusing on games and gamers.

Disappointing to see some of the posts here - can't see how they are anything but fanboyism. Saying the One is a shit console that deserves to die really isn't going to foster much discussion.
 

duessano

Member
One useful thing about this thread will be a good ignore list harvest.

I don't agree with everyone on GAF, but that's weak.

All Jim is asking for is an apology but Microsoft just keeps deflecting.

Albert Penello said that Microsoft created DirectX and wouldn't give up too much in processing power and that was false and the Microsoft wanted to implement crazy DRM. We haven't forgotten. Just do the American thing and apologize for forgiveness, MS. I want to buy a One.
 

Swass

Member
Seems to be a lot of hate for Xbox One.

At least M$ is changing its ways. They recognize what fans want, and they are changing accordingly. For that, I applaud them.

Why do people keep saying they are changing and trying to give the fans what they want? I don't think there is a statement that could be made that is further from the truth. No what they are doing is trying to get traction on their product that no one is interested in, well not no one, but definitely not the amount of people they had hoped for. Wasn't it Yusuf Mehdi that said their aim was 1 billion lifetime sales on the system? So now all they are doing is mimicking the product that has all the momentum.

Like Sterling said, the company has never apologized. Instead they shifted blame to it's customers. This and all the other actions of last year should not be forgotten which is what I believe Sterling was trying to convey.
 
Even tough I'm pretty confident that Microsoft 180'd only because Sony is crushing them right now, and not because of a renewed sense of customer-centric marketing, I'm planning on picking up an XB1 later this year. We punished Microsoft for what they did wrong with the XB1, I think they should be rewarded for trying to make things right.
Oh how our standards have fallen. Sorry for the long rant, and this isn't aimed directly at you, but my goodness. Will the defense of Microsoft ever end?

Plenty of consoles were "punished" in the financial/business sense for doing stuff that wasn't a quarter as evil or anti-consumer as what Microsoft attempted (and is still doing), and they were punished so bad that the console makers were jettisoned from the console market. Saturn and Dreamcast were both aimed at being primo arcade-in-your-home machines not to mention some cool do-dads like high-quality sprite capability (Saturn) and online/VMU (DC) and were punished because the market was moving in a different direction. N64 and Gamecube were punished because Nintendo lost favor with 3rd parties and also tried to focus on gaming instead of multimedia features.

Vita was/is punished for being a $250 (now $200) multimedia handheld in the age of smartphones, with expensive memsticks. Neo Geo tried to be an arcade-perfect home console and was punished because it priced itself out of the market. Systems like Neo Geo Color and Game Gear attempted full color games (with more richness, too) long before Nintendo gave it a shot, and they failed because they lacked in accessibily, affordability, and batter life.. Atari Jaguar was Atari's final attempt at getting back into the market and was actually a pretty cool box, but things were too crowded back then so it failed.. 3D0 was an attempt to de-centralize console hardware and was also one of the first attempts to bridge between PC and console.

What was noble about Microsoft's attempt? What redeeming aspects of the Xbox One deserve a free pass? Compared to the above consoles that were punished with failure just because they misread the market or went too powerful or were too expensive, why does Microsoft's PR statements and behavior deserve to be forgotten, especially when many of the Execs are still in key positions at Microsoft? The only reason why Microsoft is not going to fail whereas the above consoles did is because Microsoft has enough money to throw at it to keep it alive...and people such as yourself who think Microsoft is all hunky-dorey simply because they changed policies that should've have been there at all.

What Microsoft was attempting is exactly what they attempt in every other industry: muscle their way in with money and try to wrest control away from everyone else by any means possible. For one of the few instances in Microsoft's history, they failed that attempt. Now we should just move on and let them try again? Cute.
 
The difference being Sony were attacked, maybe their security could have been better but someone else was the aggressor here. The DRM was MS's plan, they wanted to restrict gamers.

It wasn't that they were hacked that was the problem but the flaws in how they managed peoples personal data by having piss poor protection when it came to sensitive information.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
Why would I care about lies that don't affect me? People lie all the time.

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man what an old fashioned video player that website has


Edit: And it is still better then the GT one

True, I always have big issues playing them on my note 2, crashing the browser etc.

I think Jim swears a leetle bit too much.I am no prude and swear a lot myself, but I don't think it is really nenecessary in a somewhat scripted video performance.

Makes a fair point about the xbone though. No matter what ever commercial success it may yet achieve, it must be seen as a crushing failure as a concept.
 
$599 USD, all of the bullshit quotes associated with that, all of the backtracking and broken promises about hardware features, and the launch PSP's button issue and the glorious comment associated with that.

I don't think the $599 (which was a disaster) was something they had to apologize for. They released a hugely expensive piece of hardware. They suffered for it. It wasn't anti consumer. They didn't do a 180 on it. They designed a powerful fully featured system that just couldn't be made for an affordable price.

They cut hardware features to try and get the price to an affordable place. It took a long time. They weren't trying to screw consumers. They didn't try to pretend when they went in a different direction that they were doing us a favour.
 

Metallix87

Member
The difference being Sony were attacked, maybe their security could have been better but someone else was the aggressor there. The DRM was MS's plan, they wanted to restrict gamers.

Maybe? I'm pretty sure this attack revealed just how little security there was around our information. Sony fucked up royally, they jeopardized the personal information of tens of millions of users, and they likely could've and should've faced many lawsuits for their negligence. An apologize is the bare fucking minimum in that regard.

I don't think the $599 (which was a disaster) was something they had to apologize for. They released a hugely expensive piece of hardware. They suffered for it. It wasn't anti consumer. They didn't do a 180 on it. They designed a powerful fully featured system that just couldn't be made for an affordable price.

They cut hardware features to try and get the price to an affordable place. It took a long time. They weren't trying to screw consumers. They didn't try to pretend when they went in a different direction that they were doing us a favour.

The evidence suggests otherwise:

Linky

This move has been part of our longer term business strategy for PS3 since early on and we believe this lower priced model, combined with our broad line-up of content will appeal to a great many of you who want a lower entry price without sacrificing any of the core components of PS3.

...

Our goal this holiday season is to make PS3 even more affordable and to offer you greater choice to suit your gaming and entertainment needs.
 

sublimit

Banned
B-B-But Phil Spencer is the messiah of the games industry and had nothing to do with MS lies!!!The one who was responsible was the evil Don Matrick but mighty Phil kicked him out of MS and now it's all about gamez gamez gamez!!!


Well said Jim.
 
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of the video, so here's a summary for those who keep jumping to conclusions or are just saying stupid shit that have nothing to do with what Jim's actually trying to say.

What Jim is not saying
  • The Xbox One in its current state isn't a good console or doesn't have games et cetera.
  • The Xbox One isn't worth buying.
  • People shouldn't be happy with the current state of the console.
  • The Xbox One should die off.
What Jim is saying
  • MS started out horribly, treated its consumers like shit and blamed them for their own shortcomings. Even now they constantly lie about hardware power.
  • People shouldn't just immediately perform fellatio on them for deciding not to treat us like total shit anymore.
  • The original vision of the One and the current state is significantly different. The original vision is thankfully dead.
  • Devs/Publishers/Industry should try to treat the consumer with respect from the get go and not lie to them and try to deceive them.
  • We shouldn't be thankful for them backpedaling and doing the bare minimum, they should be thankful that we still support them now after all they've done.

Don't treat people like shit. It's literally all the vid is about. How is that so hard to understand?

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The restrictions MS wanted to impose on gamers is far worse than Sony's lacking security.

What? Get out of here with that shit.

You can refuse to buy an always-online console, I will have a harder time tracking down people that hacked PSN and asking them not to defraud me too much.
 
Xbox1 is a solid system now. But the way they handled their disingenuous marketing and PR over the past year by treating customers like idiots and with such disdain left a lot of bad taste in people's mouths for a long time, and I don't think it's going to go away anytime soon imo. This has been a rough year for them so far, but I think 2015 is going to be an even steeper mountain to climb once the PS4 starts unleashing it's heavy hitters.

MS is slightly lucky Sony has been so slow on it's games and firmware or there wouldn't even be a contest this gen.
 

nynt9

Member
Did they admit them at the time or when it was time to pimp the new console that fixed all those silly problems? Regardless, even that show of good PR was probably rooted in money. Because business. Look, people can trust companies or not. That's up to the individual. I'm just saying I can't take any of them seriously because I've watched them all fuck and get fucked for decades. If they have enough stuff that I like I buy it. If I don't like their stuff I don't. No trust, no thinking that a company has 'feels'. Just a swap of money for goods because I can't trust anything that's solely motivated by money. You're asking to feel played when you do.

Yeah, let's just fire all PR departments because managing public perception doesn't matter at all, right?

Obviously it's all money and business. But I believe there are two types of corporation. The corporation which wants to make money at all costs and ignores everything else, and the corporation which knows that a happy consumer will give them money, so they try to make the consumers happy and reap the rewards. It's pretty clear to me which type Microsoft is. That won't (and hasn't) stop(ped) me from buying their products, but it does make me prefer to support competing products when I can. I'd rather support the company that tries to make money by making me happy, not the one that tries to make money by screwing me over.

I think it's a good system, each to their own I guess

What is the point of this post? Have you even watched the video or read any of the discussion? This post literally says nothing.
 

remnant

Banned
What Microsoft was attempting is exactly what they attempt in every other industry: muscle their way in with money and try to wrest control away from everyone else by any means possible. For one of the few instances in Microsoft's history, they failed that attempt. Now we should just move on and let them try again? Cute.

I'm amazed at how many people speak about the industry like it's some fight between good and eveil. There is nothing noble about the MS recent moves, yes but there is nothing wrong with them either. If they make a platform that has the games people want to play. good for them. Maybe Sony/Nintendo should have done the same.
 

jem0208

Member
What Jim is saying
  • MS started out horribly, treated its consumers like shit and blamed them for their own shortcomings. Even now they constantly lie about hardware power.
  • People shouldn't just immediately perform fellatio on them for deciding not to treat us like total shit anymore.
  • The original vision of the One and the current state is significantly different. The original vision is thankfully dead.
  • Devs/Publishers/Industry should try to treat the consumer with respect from the get go and not lie to them and try to deceive them.
  • We shouldn't be thankful for them backpedaling and doing the bare minimum, they should be thankful that we still support them now after all they've done.

Don't treat people like shit. It's literally all the vid is about. How is that so hard to understand?


1. Yes, they started out horribly but that lasted all on one week before they changed things. Also more than 5 months before the console released.

2. Sure, however how were they treating us like shit (except for the DRM, but for that see #1)

3. True.

4. True, don't really see how MS has been repeatedly lying and deceiving us though (admittedly denying the power difference is a bit stupid)

5. What's wrong with backpedaling? A large proportion of the consumer base didn't like some aspects of the console so they changed them. Also "doing the bare minimum" I'm sorry but how is this even slightly true? Monthly updates to the OS adding lots of new features, awesome games being made, actually listening to feedback. I'm not seeing it.


And finally "they should be thankful that we still support them now after all they've done." What kind of bullshit is this? Other than the DRM (look at #1), what have they done which has screwed us over?
 

jaypah

Member
The DRM didn't happen and they certainly aren't about to remind us of it or enlighten those who never knew. Expecting them to bring up a policy that never launched and then apologize for it is just crazy. You're smoking magic crack in crazy town.
 
So they are to be scorned even more for listening and removing features that people hated? LOL, okay.
No, they should be scorned for being the type of company that would even consider selling you a $500 box of lies whose primary design goals were taking away your rights and observing your responses to ads.

They should not be praised for failing to get away with it.
 

Nokterian

Member
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of the video, so here's a summary for those who keep jumping to conclusions or are just saying stupid shit that have nothing to do with what Jim's actually trying to say.

What Jim is not saying
  • The Xbox One in its current state isn't a good console or doesn't have games et cetera.
  • The Xbox One isn't worth buying.
  • People shouldn't be happy with the current state of the console.
  • The Xbox One should die off.
What Jim is saying
  • MS started out horribly, treated its consumers like shit and blamed them for their own shortcomings. Even now they constantly lie about hardware power.
  • People shouldn't just immediately perform fellatio on them for deciding not to treat us like total shit anymore.
  • The original vision of the One and the current state is significantly different. The original vision is thankfully dead.
  • Devs/Publishers/Industry should try to treat the consumer with respect from the get go and not lie to them and try to deceive them.
  • We shouldn't be thankful for them backpedaling and doing the bare minimum, they should be thankful that we still support them now after all they've done.

Don't treat people like shit. It's literally all the vid is about. How is that so hard to understand?

Add this OP since people do not watch the video.
 
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