Just like some ppl hilariously thinking its some 8D chess move by MS to get Sony games on an Xbox device...its really not this serious.
If MS does that and porting Xbox games to PS and Nintendo was the outcome....does it really matter?
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[Tom Warren] The next Xbox is going to be very different
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If MS does that and porting Xbox games to PS and Nintendo was the outcome....does it really matter?
Crayon
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If it's easily runs steam, the whole dynamic is changed and sony probably doesn't care.
I'm nobody
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It mines crypto currency so you can buy games with it
mayham2199
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That's just it they aren't trying to turn anything around. You can't sell a console with no exclusive games. We all know this, the industry knows this, and MS knows this. Don't believe the nonsense Phil spits out about differentiating himself through hardware. He knows that wont matter. I'm very surprised anyone still actually believes they have some hope of doing that. Their only purpose now is to keep as many people in the ecosystem as they can and they will be satisfied just selling games at $70 a pop to whoever leaves.
Panajev2001a
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mayham2199
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This is one of the top things I'm interested in seeing how Steam\PS\MS handle it. The next question becomes will the next xbox even allow Steam? I always thought it was strange how Phil mentioned other stores but not Steam, why? Steam is the most well known PC store. Seems strange to not use it as an example.
So if MS uses Epic instead of Steam now it becomes a different issue because I can 100% see Epic following Sony's lead and blocking PS games from being purchased/played on Xbox.
Astray
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Because Steam is an ally of necessity to Microsoft and not a friend. They're on a collision course and few can see this right now, but soon we will hear about how Steam is evil and choking the life out of the poor devs.
Epic has an investment from Sony btw, they will absolutely have an input on what happens with their games.
Bonfires Down
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Xbox is toast so probablythis is an Xbox?
bender
What time is it?
I have super bad news for those hoping Xbox is pulling out of the console making business
Sorry
Who's hoping? What they should do and what they will do are two very, very different things.
clarky
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Ironic coming from a typical Neo Gaf post
Ashamam
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Not really, I'm not paid to provide content for a global media outlet. That was my point, I'd expect more and the content was about as informed as my posts which if you look at my history I've never seen worthy of starting a thread.
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clarky
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Just messing fella, all good.
bigdad2007
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The issue with Microsoft is they don’t pick a target demographic and stick with it. They are constantly chasing trends and so as soon as one group of people warm to a product they completely shift focus.
They are never satisfied unless literally every human on the planet uses a given product they develop. Like give it up Gates you got lucky with Windows and Office. I feel like that is the success they chase and the fact Apple and Jobs beat them to the mobile space iPhone still haunts every decision they make.
They are never satisfied unless literally every human on the planet uses a given product they develop. Like give it up Gates you got lucky with Windows and Office. I feel like that is the success they chase and the fact Apple and Jobs beat them to the mobile space iPhone still haunts every decision they make.
clarky
Gold Member
Boggles my mind how they turned office into a subscription. Like fuck off.
Timberwolf25
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I agree. If they leave remote play intact, then I will have a handheld via my Ipad anyway. Or XCloud, although that still needs some serious work from the last time I tried it.
gokurho
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The Verge is not well-versed in tech, so they don’t know how to hide the main text.
Although a popup indicating a paywall appears, the full text is still in the source code, making it easy to read the article
Roberts
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As much as I loved PSP back in the day, I just don’t see myself spending my time on handheld these days so I would rather have traditional console or a PC hybrid, but lets see. I’m too invested in the ecosystem so I guess a handheld is better than if they just call it quits on future hardware.
IFireflyl
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I stopped reading at that point. That claim was such a blatant lie that I can't take anything else they say seriously. Now, if by some miracle the next Xbox comes out and it is an absolute technological marvel then I'll eat my words, no problem. I just can't fathom the next Xbox being a technological leap greater than any other hardware generation leap.
clarky
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Nothing they can produce in the next couple of years would best anything thats available in the PC market.
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awwr999999
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It would likely be MS licensing one specific ARM/Nvidia configuration to OEMs - a Switch killer.
Something like $199 standardized mass-produced Windows boxes and matching handhelds with a hybrid Xbox OS could work.
Being digital-only and working as a Switch emulator that works with Nintendo controllers will give it a massive advantage over Switch while MS studios would make games for both platforms.
The massive pressure on Nintendo paired with the fact that Switch HW isn't special or unique could eventually bring them to join MS as a means of maximizing profits, minimizing expenses and eliminating piracy.
The reality that people like SD and FHD gaming opens up a world of possibility for MS as a publisher when the objective is selling the most units to facilitate selling the most games.
reinking
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James Sawyer Ford
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Exactly.
Nobody is "hoping" they leave the hardware business.
The market reality is that we are seeing it play out in front of our very eyes.
- 67% of Microsoft's software revenue comes from Playstation platforms and it is growing.
- Playstation 5 sold 9.5 Million Units last Quarter, which is 33% of the ENTIRE LIFETIME SALES of Xbox Series S / X in just 3 months
- Microsoft is already clearly messaging that ALL of their games will be coming to Playstation in the future, and the trend is Day and Date
How this starts is Microsoft still releases Xbox hardware in the form of multiple devices, but they do not subsidize these consoles/handhelds, and they ALSO add in side-loading of PC applications to bridge the gap of PC/Xbox ecosystems. These consoles will NOT be cost competitive with PS6, but may offer some differentiation in terms of power and where the console may cost what you would expect from a gaming PC. So what Microsoft is doing is comepting with a potential Steam Box and Steam OS to bridge the PC/Console gap going forward, but they are not competing with Sony on affordable, mainstream consoles. You should expect this approach will be extremely niche, essentially < 20 Million units sold over an entire generation. Eventually, Microsoft creates an emulation for their Xbox Store and Platform onto a PC, and there's virtually no difference between the two platforms.
Maybe they continue making hardware and are fine with only selling 10-20 million units, tops, but they are effectively abandoning the race for mainstream console sales. Eventually it may not be worth it at all and just completely abandon the hardware market because there's no value they can add to it.
It's gonna be some bullshit XSX FP16 Vector vs XSX 2 FP4 Sparse Matrix comparison with a 100x increase or something.
Fess
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Will Sony and Microsoft allow Steam to have PlayStation and Xbox games on a Steam Console?
That’s what the console warriors should start being concerned about. Because when Valve go that route there will literally be a new console on the market with an already big userbase that plays Xbox, PlayStation and PC games, have old school emulators, no paid online, always first early access, mods.
And Valve can do that just as an experiment with little risk while they keep raking in money as usual on Steam on PC.
ShaiKhulud1989
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Ah yes, MS still didn’t get the full memo. An internal one at that too.
To me they should keep the game accessories (the market where MS was mighty strong even in the 90s) and stop effing around and finding out with hardware platforms. Because with current HW bleeding I fully expect them to be at the next PlayStation showcase.
To me they should keep the game accessories (the market where MS was mighty strong even in the 90s) and stop effing around and finding out with hardware platforms. Because with current HW bleeding I fully expect them to be at the next PlayStation showcase.
MacReady13
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And I would buy that Steam console in a heartbeat. I’d drop Sony and Microsoft tomorrow if Steam did that. I almost did when I got the Steam deck.
bigdad2007
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I don’t ever really see Valve and Microsoft partnering. Heck Steam OS and Proton I’m sure started as contingency plans if Microsoft ever actually tried to turn Windows into a walled garden.
I can’t see Microsoft ever really wanting to cooperate with a rival OS or a rival App Store. Unless they really intended to go the Atari and Sega route and just license the Xbox name.
I can’t see Microsoft ever really wanting to cooperate with a rival OS or a rival App Store. Unless they really intended to go the Atari and Sega route and just license the Xbox name.
BlackTron
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Indeed just about the only thing PC doesn't have is old BC games. For that matter if they made some sort of Xbox compatibility later you could just play the Xbox version of games you already own instead of the PC versions.
My issue is that I already got a used Series S that sufficiently upgrades old games and there isn't really anything wrong with it. If the new Xbox doesn't let me drag files over to install a mod in a PC game, I may as well just put a Series S on top of a real PC instead and call it a day.
Bungie
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this is an Xbox?
Gorgon
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And what are the chances that MS makes a move to buy Valve/Steam? I think the company is valued at about 8 Billion? That's peanuts compared with the 69 Billion they paid for Activision. But I don't know how realistic that scenario is.
If MS got Valve/Steam they'd get what they need and want: the biggest PC player base + present Xbox clients + sales on the Playstation pltaform. Win.
But with Steam as a competitor I don't see a bright future for "Xbox" as an ecosystem + store front, and thus MS better just realise that "Xbox" is just another name for MS Game Studios and call it a day.
If MS got Valve/Steam they'd get what they need and want: the biggest PC player base + present Xbox clients + sales on the Playstation pltaform. Win.
But with Steam as a competitor I don't see a bright future for "Xbox" as an ecosystem + store front, and thus MS better just realise that "Xbox" is just another name for MS Game Studios and call it a day.
Angry_Megalodon
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Definitely different. Its best-selling model will feature a PlayStation logo.
Astray
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Antitrust issues would go through the roof.
Valve is not only THE most dominant PC storefront, it's also a key contributor to Linux dev.
Being saying this from the start, it's like some people took the good guy Phil Spencer meme too damn serious, they're not going to do charity so Steam can reap all the benefits from it and if the answer to that is "but MS will not subsidize the system, so they're getting the money from HW sales from the start with no concessions" yeah sure, but they also need to keep running the Xbox ecosystem along side the HW, not letting it get replaced by Steam/others
Tiamat2san
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Different ?….
Like successful?
Like successful?
Rocinante618
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Shame that the XSX didn't sell well, its the best product out there, powerful enough, meticulously designed, sleek, aesthetically pleasing and packed with MS/DirectX tech, clearly it should have decimated PS5 but it has not and I believe its a combination of Xbox Series S + gamepass/netflix type game releases which are also on PC and lack of marketing/word of mouth in many countries outside America.
Just check the "Rent/Reselling" community in any country and you'll immediately realize which console is winning. Unfortunate because I really like XSX and if I did not have a powerful PC I would have got it.
- Hardcore gaming enthusiasts have a PC and get gamepass.
- Gaming enthusiasts in most developing countries ((most of the non-mobile gamers are students or mid 30s guys, everyone else is on mobiles grinding candy crush or some mobile battle royale)) have a decent PC (gaming is not a priority) and few of those who have money to spend do subscribe to gamepass but mostly pirate games as the prices MS sets are exorbitant, regional pricing is a shitshow.
- Casuals just get the Series S and plug it and just play, resolution or frames don't matter too much. It's cheap (with pass) and it works.
Just check the "Rent/Reselling" community in any country and you'll immediately realize which console is winning. Unfortunate because I really like XSX and if I did not have a powerful PC I would have got it.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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More word salad from Warren.
Fess
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Yeah Steam Deck was the living room PC trigger for me, after getting the OLED I set up my old LCD Deck like a Switch, had it docked and connected to the TV. But the power wasn’t enough so I eventually built a separate PC just for the living room that boot into Steam big picture mode.
Madserb2023
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Yes, it's going to be a PlayStation.
awwr999999
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It's about drawing users to Windows gaming via the ability to play Xbox games, not about bolstering Xbox.
MS noticed that Nintendo's convertible Switch could easily be running Windows and they want to flood the world with cheap Switch-level Windows PCs.
The PCs will be built Android-style by OEMS around a standardized Xbox HW configuration, given Xbox certification and the Xbox store.
They'll run reduced spec Xbox games made for the platform (and sold on Switch) as well as launchers from Steam, Rockstar, Epic and GOG.
PC has the massive advantage of being open and capable of emulating every Nintendo platform with OEM wireless Nintendo controllers.
Every kid with half a brain will want Xbox games plus unlimited free Nintendo games and that's how Windows stays relevant and gains users.
Parents will be more likely to subsidize a Windows PC purchase for a kid than an Xbox console and MS already has its hooks in something like ~75% of American schools.
When users figure out the MS box and want more power they'll gravitate towards real PCs.
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