Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!

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The thing about K.Rool is that all of his motivations are the same as every other Donkey Kong villain ("Why don't we just take over the island while fucking with Donkey Kong, seems like a good idea"), so the only thing left to him is his design

Which is, like, the worst of any of the DK villains. Including Tiki Tong.

Oh come on, just by looking at him you can see he has much more personality than the viking walrus. I like them both to be honest but K. Rool simply wins.
 
FE makes sense to not have many antagonists, though. I don't think there are any recurring (humanoid) antagonists, unlike protagonists who often star in multiple games. That, or the antagonists are giant ancient dragons/demons who wouldn't make for great fighters in smash. While metroid has some recurring antagonists, most of them a humongous and incredibly intricate in design. The *CLOSEST* thing to something that could be playable is ridley.

K rool would be a great DK villain, but we know he hasn't been a villain since the 90's, yet DK's series continues to this day without him. Do we know for sure there is no legal reason at play, either? Do rare own any character rights for him, at all? (Was rare in the mario super sluggers credits where K rool appeared?)

Awakening spoilers:

Just play Robin with a [GRIMA] tag.
 
The thing about K.Rool is that all of his motivations are the same as every other Donkey Kong villain ("Why don't we just take over the island while fucking with Donkey Kong, seems like a good idea"), so the only thing left to him is his design

Which is, like, the worst of any of the DK villains. Including Tiki Tong.

False.

K. Rool > Snowmad Boss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tiki Tong
 
The prominent rumor that started the whole playable boss thing mentioned Mewtwo becoming a boss. That's kind of being cheated out of a character.

Maybe, but it's not like Sakurai would have gone, "hmm, should I put Mewtwo back on the roster?...Nah, he'd be way better as a stage boss!" Mewtwo would either be a stage boss or he wouldn't be in the game at all. You'd be no more cheated out of Mewtwo than you were in Brawl.

On another topic, Pirate K. Rool is obviously the best design. He fills two niches at once: DK villain and pirate.
 
Can't bosses be killed though? If not that, possibly easily avoided. It depends a lot on how the implementation would work out, how they would play and such.

While it loses the "I'm-a-giant-purple-dragon" factor, I think a concept that's a little more exciting is a mode where the GamePad player is able to spawn items and control stage transformations.

Bosses apparently respawn after a few seconds. So it doesn't really matter if they can be killed. But yeah - Item spawn and stage transformation mode also would be ace!

The horrible player I mentioned in my post really looks forward to the rumored Boss Mode btw. We also sometimes play Dungeonland as a group and he LOVES to be the summoner. Playable boses would be right up his alley :D
 
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Oh come on, just by looking at him you can see he has much more personality than the viking walrus. I like them both to be honest but K. Rool simply wins.

Viking Walrus had a cool boss fight, K.Rool's are defined by the gimmicks of "Oh, a fake-out for the credits" and "Oh getting hit by this thing reverses your controls." *spins finger*

I am not sure what personality you're seeing. His giant eye means he's crazy, neat, get in the back of the line of every villain ever.
 
Just one of many reasons why I don't "get" the K. Rool love, especially over say Dixie Kong or Cranky Kong. At the same time, I was playing Banjo-Kazooie earlier this week and I wasn't bothered by any of the Rare Character Design™ going on in that game...

As someone who really started getting into gaming in the late 90s, I just barely missed the nostalgia behind all that. I don't understand the love behind the Banjo-Kazooie designs either. I mean don't get me wrong, it's a cute concept for sure, but "get that Nuts & Bolts shit out of here, OG design is king" is totally ridiculous because it's literally "anthro bear with Rare eyes pals up with anthro bird with Rare eyes." Banjo and Kazooie are in pretty desperate need of a redesign before they get anywhere close to Smash.
 
I don't have a problem with K.Rool ever existing because it was the 90s and we all did things we weren't proud of, but I see as much point to bringing him back as I would Bubsy.
 
The only character that makes Mii smashers worth it.
Don't forget Ryan

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Y'know, I had a dream this morning where Sakurai announced that Robin and Lucina were actually the last newcomers to be revealed.

It's so nice that that isn't actually the case.
 
Gotta say I agree that a Boss Mode would be pretty meh to me. Just seems like those resources could be better spent somewhere else. I won't throw a fit if it's in but I'll probably never play it.

I'm sure it'd be fun to a degree, but it's not an idea I'm interested in.
 
The thing about K.Rool is that all of his motivations are the same as every other Donkey Kong villain ("Why don't we just take over the island while fucking with Donkey Kong, seems like a good idea"), so the only thing left to him is his design

Which is, like, the worst of any of the DK villains. Including Tiki Tong.
Wait, since when were the motives of K. Rool (or Bowser, or Dedede, or like any Nintendo villain ever) relevant to their Smash-worthiness?

I think the bigger problem with K. Rool is he has a distinct whiff of "has-been" at a time when there are more relevant DK characters. Most notably Dixie Kong, who Sakurai actually worked on at some point for Brawl, and who would presumably be mechanically interesting with her potential as a flying grappler.
 
Viking Walrus had a cool boss fight, K.Rool's are defined by the gimmicks of "Oh, a fake-out for the credits" and "Oh getting hit by this thing reverses your controls." *spins finger*

I am not sure what personality you're seeing. His giant eye means he's crazy, neat, get in the back of the line of every villain ever.

I also think the contrasting themes of Ice vs Tropics is much more interesting than crocs vs apes.I would love it if the Snowmads became the De Facto bad guys for DK, honestly. I at least want to see more of them.
 
Going to take Rare's side on character designs. They basically invented modern Donkey Kong by redesigning the main man himself, along with giving us Diddy, Dixie, Animal Buddies, and the others.
 
Man, Dixie Kong has been playable in as many games as K. Rool has even shown up in. We don't need him - monkey girl with flying ponytail is the only real choice.

I'd actually be okay with both. But Dixie first.
 
Bowser, Ganon, and Dedede are the only villains I need in order for the roster to feel complete. I'm not opposed to K. Rool or Ridley, but I don't see them as necessary, and their absence in the series to date hasn't diminished the roster in any way for me.
 
Y'know, I had a dream this morning where Sakurai announced that Robin and Lucina were actually the last newcomers to be revealed.

It's so nice that that isn't actually the case.

Watch as it becomes reality.
Who knows Sakurai might actually trolling and say, yeah Robin & Lucina are the last newcomers.
 
The thing that really weirds me out about K Rool is how he doesn't have a tail.

Why doesn't he have a tail.

It's creepy as fuck.
 
I'm always jealous of all of you who can dream of something Smash related.

Hell, I'm jealous of anyone who dreams regularly at all. I usually dream maybe once per month or even less :/

Yeah I'm aware,,,blabla dream every day....blabla just don't remember when waking up...blablabla..
 
As far as DK enemy design, I vote Snomads, then Kremlins, then Tikis. I don't feel K. Rool is iconic enough to be worth bringing back, although I'm not against more villains in Smash. I'd rather have a Kid Icarus Uprising villain... or a playable bulborb.
 
Dixie is boring because she's just another protagonist that doesn't bring much to the table, K. Rool would atleast balance out the DK franchise in smash.


Also no way the snowmads are coming back, they're a single game throwaway villain like the tikis.
 
My thing is that I understand people's desire to see a third Donkey Kong series character. The series totally "deserves" it between the renewed public interest thanks to the Country Returns series and the general franchise's significance as a whole to Nintendo. I understand the idea that Smash would benefit from having more villainous characters, be they past or present. Some people don't care for heroes only. I understand that K. Rool was pretty much the longest running antagonist + head of the antagonistic force in the most well known series within the Donkey Kong franchise at a time when most people's memories of the franchise were being formed. I just don't get why *now* he has become this immense prize for a large majority of the fan base even in the face of Dixie Kong (a character with more playable roles than Donkey Kong himself in the DKC series and one that Nintendo kept around and continues to have in protagonist roles) or Cranky Kong (the original Donkey Kong and a fun co-star in Tropical Freeze) despite being nothing more than "Bowser with MPD who cosplays and has a bulbous eye".

I think my dilemma is that I just never saw K. Rool as a permanent fixture in the greater DKC universe after the era of Jungle Beat and Returns.
 
I am not sure what personality you're seeing. His giant eye means he's crazy, neat, get in the back of the line of every villain ever.

Do you remember K. Rool from DK64? Mediocre game aside, the characters showed a ton of personality. Tiki Tong and Frederick might as well be cardboard in comparison.
 
I also think the contrasting themes of Ice vs Tropics is much more interesting than crocs vs apes.I would love it if the Snowmads became the De Facto bad guys for DK, honestly. I at least want to see more of them.
Same. I really liked them after seeing the charming animations they have in Tropical Freeze. They're also full of neat little details!

Helps that they have a consistent and unique theme.
 
Being a villain is a terrible reason for a character to be playable. The character itself should lend itself to be interesting and have a good moveset. Then there are all of the other factors like relevancy, popularity, uniqueness, and etc.
 
You're asking people to remember literally anything about DK64.

Still never played the game. Got totally burnt out by mario 64 and Banjo kazooie, so I never bothered w/ tooie or DK64 because I couldn't handle another collectathon. Gaf has said so many bad things about DK64 that I never want to try it.
 
Being a villain is a terrible reason for a character to be playable. The character itself should lend itself to be interesting and have a good moveset. Then there are all of the other factors like relevancy, popularity, uniqueness, and etc.
Exactly. Same goes for people saying Sceptile "because Gen 3." I really doubt Sakurai cares about quotas, people. He's not holding himself to add X number of villains or Y number of Pokémon per gen. It's mainly a matter of whether the character design lends itself to interesting move-sets.
 
Do you remember K. Rool from DK64? Mediocre game aside, the characters showed a ton of personality. Tiki Tong and Frederick might as well be cardboard in comparison.

His personality was basically "discarded Bond villain," and while it's an upgrade over "pirate" and "mad scientist who makes a robot out of his wife's pots and pans," it's not much to write home about.
 
Hell, I'm jealous of anyone who dreams regularly at all. I usually dream maybe once per month or even less :/

Yeah I'm aware,,,blabla dream every day....blabla just don't remember when waking up...blablabla..

I'm getting this way too now. From what I remember it helps to write down your dreams as soon as you wake up... or at least make a conscious effort to try and verbalize what happened immediately. Regulating your sleep schedule doesn't hurt either. I tried to improve recollection a few years back when I was messing around with lucid dreams. It's fun stuff, and I was surprised to see myself actually remembering a dream most nights after a while. I'm older and lazier now though and sleep is kind of erratic, so I dream about as often as what you described.
 
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