That and Sakurai's reasoning for including certain characters and not others may have changed over time. (Ex: Villager)
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That and Sakurai's reasoning for including certain characters and not others may have changed over time. (Ex: Villager)
Actually just went through the melee section of the questionnaire, he didn't appear as much in the one instance I did see him as a favorite character, Takamaru was also a favorite, I think the fact that people in the west liked the game so much was also what helped. But when you have characters like Roy (who's game wasn't even out, a true nobody at that time/ and Lucas who's game wasn't as well received as Mother 2) these kind of arguments are pointless. However, I believe Sakurai worked on Mother 3 so that probably contributed to Lucas getting in.
In the end I don't think one can really make any sense of the characters he chooses. I figured we'd get another retro because he said he would try his best to bring back forgotten characters, this technically counts, so I'm satisfied. Though I thought to Sakurai it would have been more fun doing what he did to Pit and breathing new life into the character, rather than having to copy and paste a character who has more cut out personality (which is what most of the new comers have been).
In the end I don't think one can really make any sense of the characters he chooses. I figured we'd get another retro because he said he would try his best to bring back forgotten characters, this technically counts, so I'm satisfied. Though I thought to Sakurai it would have been more fun doing what he did to Pit and breathing new life into the character, rather than having to copy and paste a character who has more cut out personality (which is what most of the new comers have been).
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Playable Game Boy.
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That game provides massive spoilers for itself early on anyways after
the battle with Xord
I find the idea of no playable Ridley and having to wait another 7 years to find out if he's in the next one incredibly hard to swallow.
Him being playable makes too much sense to me, but I guess that means in Sakurai's mind it makes absolutely no sense.
Boss fight is just another kick in the balls honestly, would rather have him not appear in the game if that's all we get.
inb4 picture of Ridley stage boss tomorrow, if that happens I'm done with the PotD, I won't care about them anymore.
That's like, within the first hour of a 50+ hour game.
I don't think you need to be super sensitive about what's ultimately a prologue chapter's spoilers.
Games can not spoil themselves, that's literally impossible.
Talk about spoilers. :lol
It might not be that Sakurai thought he couldn't make an interesting move-set for Takamaru, so much as he can only make so many characters, and the other characters were deemed higher priorities.
At any rate, Sakurai's not beholden to any patterns. He doesn't have to include a new "retro character," or a new "villain," or a new Pokemon for one generation or another. It's why I've always found the idea of Sceptile to be a bit silly -- people say Sceptile should be in just to have a Grass-type starter and a third-generation rep, but I doubt Sakurai cares about such quotas. He just goes with what makes sense mechanically, and then prioritizes the characters and works on them accordingly.
At any rate, Sakurai's not beholden to any patterns. He doesn't have to include a new "retro character," or a new "villain," or a new Pokemon for one generation or another. It's why I've always found the idea of Sceptile to be a bit silly -- people say Sceptile should be in just to have a Grass-type starter and a third-generation rep, but I doubt Sakurai cares about such quotas. He just goes with what makes sense mechanically, and then prioritizes the characters and works on them accordingly.
Assist Trophy is a good consolation prize. If nothing else, it's nice to see a 3D interpretation of the character that isn't from Captain Rainbow or Samurai Warriors 3.
InsaneZero
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You might want to wait until we know how well that VC release does before dreaming of player characters for Smash 5.
Game, franchise, whatever. It has potential to be fleshed out into a franchise, that's what I'm saying.
And by that logic, what new abilities does, say, Greninja bring to the table? Every newcomer doesn't HAVE to bring something new to the game, as long as they're fun to play in their own way. Even if we've had other sword fighters with projectiles and such, Takamaru would be a unique take on it, with his own moves and all. Better than Lucina, certainly. And besides, they could make something really unique out of the whole samurai thing. We haven't had any katana users yet in Smash Bros. It would be a distinct fighting style not yet seen by other sword fighters on the roster.
Hey, if Wii Fit Trainer can get in Smash then anything's possible.
Yeah I can see this too. I was super bummed out when Little Mac was revealed as an AT in Brawl, so I can feel for Taku fans. It might have taken a long time, but look where we're at now? The hype for Little Mac couldn't be higher.
For a character from a single relatively obscure Japan only Famicom game, Taku's really been picking up steam as of late. And this is only going to help him. I feel with the way things are going, especially if Sakurai also directs the next Smash, his hype will be at the perfect level for him to be included next round.
PadWarrior
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That's the way I feel about mario lol
For me personally, though takamaru wasn't a character I wanted in the game, I'm probably never going to see that assist trophy so his 'inclusion' is completely lost on me.
And even if I did play with items on and he appeared, everything that an AT does is completely out of my control, so it's uninteresting to me, I've always preferred the idea of AT's being something you select from a secondary roster and perform an attack when you press a button.
The only reason I'm not as upset over Dark Samus only being an assist trophy is that there's still a chance for Ridley, who takes precedence over Dark Samus.
And I find it funny that somebody claimed he was a nobody, if that were the case, he would not have appeared on so many fake leaks across the net. He was one of the first fake leaks I saw for this game, he also appeared on one posted on some Sonic fan website that actually had accurate leaks from the same source (in other areas of the the gaming medium obviously).
It does get a bit boring to see him have the same moveset in every game, though. It'd be nice if toon link or an alt got different moves/items. That said, I can't really complain.
Maybe in the next smash, custom moves will actually be entirely different (like mii/palutena) for everyone.
InsaneZero
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Wii Fit was a hugely popular game and the Wii Fit Trainer brings to the table a very different moveset.
Is Sakurai humor a good enough reason? :3
Again, I dont believe theres such thing as the coveted retro character slot, but at the same time I dont see why someone like Pac-Man shouldnt qualify. Yes, his series is ongoing, but his design here was explicitly taken from the classic Pac-Man games. His standard and side specials reference a game from 1980 (Pac-Man), his up special references a game from 1983 (Mappy), his down special references a game from 1984 (Pac-Land), and his Final Smash references a game from 1982 (Super Pac-Man). He also has a Galaga tractor beam grab (1981) and the Namco roulette sprite taunt. Both of his stages are from the 80s, too.
Little Macs artwork is based on the original arcade game, he has a wireframe skin, and his K.O. meter is an amalgamation of the arcade and SNES games. His animations also seem more reminiscent of the classic games than the Wii version his K.O. Uppercut is a regular punch instead of a spinning Shoryuken, for instance.
Theres also Mega Man, whose model is based on his classic NES sprite. His attacks are also taken from the '80s and '90s, too.
Even though they arent forgotten like Ice Climbers and Pit were, they still draw heavily from classic games, and I think they fit Sakurais bringing back old characters line.
Little Macs artwork is based on the original arcade game, he has a wireframe skin, and his K.O. meter is an amalgamation of the arcade and SNES games. His animations also seem more reminiscent of the classic games than the Wii version his K.O. Uppercut is a regular punch instead of a spinning Shoryuken, for instance.
Theres also Mega Man, whose model is based on his classic NES sprite. His attacks are also taken from the '80s and '90s, too.
Even though they arent forgotten like Ice Climbers and Pit were, they still draw heavily from classic games, and I think they fit Sakurais bringing back old characters line.
PadWarrior
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I would love to change the fludd move on mario.
Dimitri LH
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Welp time to see what Sakurai posted today. Im sure it just another silly filler picture.
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How is that a good thing?
All of my favorite characters are left to languish in obscurity.
MiguelMexMIstery
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BassForever
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Miss every PotD from now until launch
It's good cause I won't be hurt if they don't make it in.
IntelliHeath
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Come on, everyone. Why people can't accept that Takamaru isn't going to be playable character since he's pretty much disconfirmed by Sakurai. I meant look at him. He look so good as Assist trophy, and I really like to see how he used his hooks as his throw items. Hopefully his attacks would have a great knock back but we will see.
Look, people who supported Takamaru should be happy with the fact that he got in as assist trophy, which is way better fate for characters rather than becoming motionless trophy or sticker itself.
Look at this guy. He look fantastic.
Bad news, He's more likely to be assist trophy again tho.
Look, people who supported Takamaru should be happy with the fact that he got in as assist trophy, which is way better fate for characters rather than becoming motionless trophy or sticker itself.
Look at this guy. He look fantastic.
Bad news, He's more likely to be assist trophy again tho.
I agree with this. No more filler pls
Green Mamba
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Presumably you're referring to me, and I don't understand how this in any way helps your position--pretty much all fake Smash Bros. leaks are products of the same exact echo chamber that convinced itself collectively that Takamaru was likely.
I was never rooting for Takamaru because he was a favorite character of mine. I've never even played his game because it hasn't been released in North America yet. When it comes to Smash Bros., I don't care about favorites, I care about what makes the most sense in a Nintendo all-star game. Takamaru made sense, because he was the best choice for a retro character, and The Murasame Castle had been referenced quite a bit lately in a number of games.
So I'm not disappointed that a favorite character of mine didn't make it in, I'm disappointed that such an appropriate character didn't make the cut. I would've really enjoyed seeing Takamaru in there among Link, Samus, and Pit, and among other retro characters like Ice Climbers and R.O.B., because it would've made so much sense, but it's not happening this time...
So I'm not disappointed that a favorite character of mine didn't make it in, I'm disappointed that such an appropriate character didn't make the cut. I would've really enjoyed seeing Takamaru in there among Link, Samus, and Pit, and among other retro characters like Ice Climbers and R.O.B., because it would've made so much sense, but it's not happening this time...
Eh, not everyone was able to play it due to it being hard to find/expensive.
Spot on. The logic employed by some of you guys resembles conspiracy theories.
PadWarrior
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I more sad that Heath has to use that tingle avatar
Brainfreeze
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So you'd rather no one be allowed to enjoy that assist trophy if they're not a playable character?
A lot of you guys are being real divas about this. Game development has limited resources, Takamaru was a lower priorty than everyone else. It's that simple.
SoldnerKei
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I have been waiting for Link to have his sword beam since like forever, even if it turns out to be a shitty projectile, but being able to shoot those, aw man... *pew pew pew*
Greninja's a much more "weapon-oriented" ninja style fighter than Shiek in that his killing moves involve swords instead of strong physical attacks like Shiek, and uses fewer tools than she tools does opting for more physical techniques. He also has a distinct appearance from her, and he does it without falling into the typical profile of a sword wielder in Smash, where it defines all his normals. He's got a stronger jump (naturally, he's a frog) than most characters and he makes good use of water in all his attacks and several of his taunts, something that's currently unique to him in this iteration of Smash Bros., bringing some visual variety to the cast.
Could Takamaru add to the game? Sure. Is he the only character capable of bringing a samurai fighting style to Smash? Not by a longshot. His exclusion isn't indicative of any creative shortcoming on Sakurai's part and it doesn't have any bearing on other characters. He's never been a shoo-in, as a very vocal minority claimed.
Lucina will always be a poor comparison to other newcomers because she's a clone of Marth and took no significant time to develop outside of her audiovisual assets.
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BassForever
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Looking at the image again on my computer makes it sting even more, I wouldn't even say I was a huge Takamaru fan. But seeing him next to Link like that it just feels like he should be playable. I haven't felt like this since seeing Isaac in Brawl (and probably Smash 4...), I wasn't really upset when Little Mac was AT'd in Brawl as that design looked pretty ehh, his new redesign from the reboot though looks really good.
Please someone reboot/revive Takamaru and make him become relevant for the next Smash games, he's far too cool of a character/design to continue to be unused.
Please someone reboot/revive Takamaru and make him become relevant for the next Smash games, he's far too cool of a character/design to continue to be unused.
Dimitri LH
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Ha ha... >.>;;;
Yeah, he does look amazing. Like I said before about Waluigi, fans should be happy hes a Assist Trophy and in character and not just some alt color or stand alone trophy. Lets be happy now.
InsaneZero
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I don't know why people are so hostile to Lucina being a Marth clone.
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