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I'm really not seeing the similarities. WoW operates on standard RPG conventions where you complete quests and kill bad guys to power up your character.

Yeah, that is a pretty weak attack on a game. EVERY loot focused game could be leveled with the same criticism (Diablo, Borderlands). You just click on stuff to get stupid gear!
 
Although, I have never played it, I understand the WOW comparison. Basically everyone says they play WOW on a second screen. Some say they binge watch TV shows when playing WOW. The same goes for a lot of mobile games. They are all side experiences you do when doing something else

You dont need to invest a whole lot of thought in WOW to do well - kinda like Kim Kardashian Hollywood.

I know about Kim Kardashian Hollywood - I am a n A-lister. You are welcome.
 
You're doing something relatively simple to get a virtual reward.

No doubt there are plenty of time sinks and some rote ass quest design. However, the hard mode raids and high end pvp are not at all "doing something simple". Blizzard's boss and encounter designs are easily some of the best the industry has ever seen.
 
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Drastic simplification. Playing Lovely Planet, and you get nothing for completing each stage. The next stages aren't even locked. You are playing purely for the joy of completing the challenges it sets before you. Instead of most free to play games, where you're completing a task that has no challenge or inherent joy just to feel that hit when it rewards you at the end. I'm not saying WoW is exactly the same, but it seems to feed a similar desire.
 
Although, I have never played it, I understand the WOW comparison. Basically everyone says they play WOW on a second screen. Some say they binge watch TV shows when playing WOW. The same goes for a lot of mobile games. They are all side experiences you do when doing something else

You dont need to invest a whole lot of thought in WOW to do well - kinda like Kim Kardashian Hollywood.

I know about Kim Kardashian Hollywood - I am a n A-lister. You are welcome.

There are parts of the game that do that sure.
Early leveling. Archeology.

But you can not go into a dungeon raid, and just sort of casually play on a second screen.
It is a very tactical precice game.

WoW, just has a TON of diversity. There are so many ways to play. You can level from like 12-90 just doing dungeons if you wanted to. Or you could quest your way up. Or you could do profession based stuff.
 
Drastic simplification. Playing Lovely Planet, and you get nothing for completing each stage. The next stages aren't even locked. You are playing purely for the joy of completing the challenges it sets before you. Instead of most free to play games, where you're completing a task that has no challenge or inherent joy just to feel that hit when it rewards you at the end. I'm not saying WoW is exactly the same, but it seems to feed a similar desire.

F2P games and MMOs generally use many of the same techniques to get you hooked on the game, which is a big part of the game design in a way it isn't for a lot of other games. You're right on the money here. No one is saying that WoW and some random F2P game are the same game, just that they have a lot of the same addictive goals.

Also, I consider WoW an absolutely fantastic game. But there's a reason why so many people almost regard it as a drug, me included.

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Ok then...this will clearly be a productive conversation when your definition of "bad games" is"games i personally don't like"

Diablo 2 is one of the greatest games of all time.

On the contrary, I've actually enjoyed quite a few of them, but they're still terrible games.

There comes a point in WoW where it almost becomes a good game, but once it gets there, it's so locked up in metagame elements that it never fulfills its promise.
 
I play with my brother and some friends we have in common. One of my favourite things is still to just go out questing and exploring on my own.

Sure, but you're still in a guild or channel with them and talk to them right? That's the best part about WoW, it's a chatroom but you're also actively doing something, be that raiding, dailies, levelling or PvP. I don't know about you, but questing and exploring is one of my favorite things to do in WoW, but without a group of people to fall back on and chat, it's really isolating, and sometimes you feel like you're just wasting your time, rather than relaxing and shooting the shit with friends.
 
Dan doing a dungeon reminds me of my early dungeons on FFXIV. I had no idea how much I was contributing and I was too nervous to chat with my team mates, ha.

I also got majorly into smithing and mining but also cooking and potions and oh god too many jobs.
 
I'd watch if it had Gary, but just Will and Norm? There's more chemistry watching paint dry.

It's been a while since I followed Tested. Is Gary still a full-timer there? I only ever seem to see Norm, Will, and Adam Savage in the videos that make it onto my radar.
Nope, he stopped being a regular a long time ago. He used to make the occasional visit, but that ended too. Can't really blame him, his career has rocketed (movies, books and games) and he has a child - any free time is probably spent championing Mark Ruffalo as Colombo.
 
It's been a while since I followed Tested. Is Gary still a full-timer there? I only ever seem to see Norm, Will, and Adam Savage in the videos that make it onto my radar.
 
It's been a while since I followed Tested. Is Gary still a full-timer there? I only ever seem to see Norm, Will, and Adam Savage in the videos that make it onto my radar.

Gary hasnt been seen near tested in months. Probably a few weeks before his Star Wars thing got announced.

Hollywood Whitta doesnt have enough time for that stuff anymore.
 

That's great!

Sure, he is not a one for one replacement, but I think Jeremy really helps. Will and Norm on their own is a black hole of tech talk, and that is not a fun listen (unles you are HIGHLY invested in the product talked about). Jeremy is a clever guy too, but is enough to break up some of the ridiculous specs and numbers stuff they can get into.
 
As a quick throwback, I recently bought Lightning Returns, and it took me only a few minutes to find the first three numbers. The last number took me a while, but not as long as the Quick Look, lol.

Similar to Hitman GO, one of the reasons I bought this game was to find out how hard it was to find those numbers! Sometimes Brad can be a good salesman.
 
As a quick throwback, I recently bought Lightning Returns, and it took me only a few minutes to find the first three numbers. The last number took me a while, but not as long as the Quick Look, lol.

Similar to Hitman GO, one of the reasons I bought this game was to find out how hard it was to find those numbers! Sometimes Brad can be a good salesman.

rudds' ulterior motives revealed!
 
As a quick throwback, I recently bought Lightning Returns, and it took me only a few minutes to find the first three numbers. The last number took me a while, but not as long as the Quick Look, lol.

Similar to Hitman GO, one of the reasons I bought this game was to find out how hard it was to find those numbers! Sometimes Brad can be a good salesman.

your avatar is so cute
 
I'm still pissed that them trashing the 2 set at the end of the first one....ugh

And I agree, I actually prefer Jeremy over Gary. They are both Apple fanboys but at least Jeremy is not a pretentious b-list celebrity.

B-list? I think you're being extremely generous.
 
Although, I have never played it, I understand the WOW comparison. Basically everyone says they play WOW on a second screen. Some say they binge watch TV shows when playing WOW. The same goes for a lot of mobile games. They are all side experiences you do when doing something else

You dont need to invest a whole lot of thought in WOW to do well - kinda like Kim Kardashian Hollywood.

I know about Kim Kardashian Hollywood - I am a n A-lister. You are welcome.

That's entirely untrue. There just happens to be loads of activities in WoW that are very low impact (doing random battlegrounds, gathering profession resources, etc), but if you want to do serious endgame content you can't slack off while playing.

Sure, but you're still in a guild or channel with them and talk to them right? That's the best part about WoW, it's a chatroom but you're also actively doing something, be that raiding, dailies, levelling or PvP. I don't know about you, but questing and exploring is one of my favorite things to do in WoW, but without a group of people to fall back on and chat, it's really isolating, and sometimes you feel like you're just wasting your time, rather than relaxing and shooting the shit with friends.

I'm the opposite, I need total social isolation to actually relax, and WoW is one of the best open world RPGs ever made to just sit with and gather your thoughts.
 
I like what Patrick brings to Giantbomb, but dude can be insufferable at times. He is always like "already put to many hours into this game gosh... my precious time." He should probably do journalism work for mature issues, no need for him to waste his life away playing this video game things.
 
How long have you played it and/or how much money have you it into it?

Since it launched (was playing it a few days before those crazy threads started popping up here), and €0. I'd be happy to pay them for one of those coin doubler things if they put it in though, but I refuse to buy any form of virtual currencies in these games.

I have no idea why I keep going, but it is basically 2 or 3 5 minute chunks of playtime a day. so it is no harm.
 
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