To be fair Legend of Korra as a whole, put far more importance on bending than the original series had, and Korra herself is only useful as the Avatar, even when the Season 2 final try to shoehorn in that she was a great person. I honestly never got that. The only good trait about Korra is that she's the Avatar while Aang was a far more rounded person.
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To be fair Legend of Korra as a whole, put far more importance on bending than the original series had, and Korra herself is only useful as the Avatar, even when the Season 2 final try to shoehorn in that she was a great person. I honestly never got that. The only good trait about Korra is that she's the Avatar while Aang was a far more rounded person.
Zaheer is sure amazing at many things, because he studied a lot as a non bender lol At a certain point, there is only so many times we can justify his amazing skills with "he studied a lot" lol. I mean, the guy was a non-air bender ffs. I don't care how much time the guy spent studying things, it seems silly as hell that a couple weeks after getting air bending, he's extremely gifted at many things (even more so than master benders even during ATLA's time). That said, I still don't really mind, because I like Zaheer. But I still think his powers are silly.
It's not (was talking about other things). But being able to project yourself into the spirit world is still a very rare thing. Being able to teleport to any place within the spirit world at will, is even crazier. That Zaheer can do that + talk to people with his physical body, is kind of silly (especially on top o f all the other shit he can do).
badcrumble
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The two big question marks as far as Zaheer are concerned are Guru Laghima and Xai Bao, I think.
it's silly (and very convenient) but it doesn't seem unreasonable that someone who has spent his life being spiritual would have some rare abilities.
plus jinora was teleporting around in spirit form in the human world a few episodes ago so it doesn't seem that crazy that you'd be able to do it in the spirit world, too.
Jinora is a terrible plot device though.
WrenchNinja
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I swear, if Guru Laghima doesn't show up this season with all of the name drops, I'll be pretty annoyed.
I'm not sure if reasonable explanations for bending powers are even possible at this point. There has been a lot of BS surrounding past bending abilities, but the fact that that BS exists can't be ignored. If Amon can 'just have' No-moon, no movement required blood bending abilities that can somehow take away bending and Jinora's powers can basically be described as "Whatever the plot needs them to be", why is Zaheer's prodigious bending talent unacceptable?
You're a terrible plot device!
But seriously though, super spiritual guy does super spiritual things. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Phoenician_Viking
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Well, Aang was a prodigy himself and his body should not be moved. There´s gifted prodigy, and there is bullshit. Zaheer´s talent is bullshit. If he is in the spirit world, how can he talk consciously and give direction, and orders in the physical world? I don´t mind him going to the spirit world but to multitask in both spirit world and physical world is too much, even considering i have a lot lot of suspension of belief in these kind of shows.
yeah i didn't really like having to use jinora as justification
but she's part of the show so *shrug*
Icyflamez96
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Everything Zaheer does makes perfect sense to me.
m_shortpants
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Didn't Aang stand up and poop in his pants while he was in the spirit world? It's not far fetched to me that with experience (Zaheer), you'd be able to grunt out a few words.
Icyflamez96
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Yeah I especially can't see why people are making such a big fuss about him being able to talk with his physical body while in the spirit world. I mean, him being able to teleport in the spirit world, while it makes sense (considering he seemed to always be an extremely spiritual person and he probably spent a good chunk of his time in the spirit world while he was in jail for 13 years), I could at least see why people think that is kinda OP regardless.... But being able to mutter out words with his physical body while in the spirit world? Even disregarding that again it makes perfect sense as to why he could do such a thing, it doesn't even seem that ridiculous compared to teleporting around in the spirit world.
im expecting to see Xai Bau before Laghima, most likely in the spirit world like Iroh
although i guess if Laghima is as spiritual of a person as Zaheer makes him out to be, he can still show up in the spirit world too
The avatar world defines prodigy as something different than what the real world does. Avatar is just someone who is extremely good at something to the point of being able to do things no one else can. Amon was a prodigy, but we never understood why except that he excelled in doing what he did.And Zaheer's ability, while quite astonishing, is not something that breaks any rules, as far as I know. There's also the fact that what he is doing is not an airbending skill, but a spiritual one, and something anyone can do, even nonbenders. It's possible he could have actually practiced this in his prison cell.
I'm not saying Zaheer is pulling abilities out the wazoo, but even if it is bullshit....who cares? This whole series has been filled with bullshit. Amon's super bending. Unalaq's Spirit water bending. Mako's motionless lightning bending. Korra's airbending and energy bending aren't bullshit by themselves, but the way she got them was. Not to mention the way the avatar state turned out. I guess I'm just desensitized. Even if it is bullshit, Zaheer still has more justification for it than everyone that came before him, so I find it hard to get upset over it.
Honestly, I wish Zaheer would talk about other guru's than just Lahima. It would make him sound more learned. Right now, he just sounds like he studied one guy and is parroting everything he said, which isn't as much a display of intelligence as the writers want us to believe it is. And it wouldn't be wrong for him to even have his own opinion that differs from Lahima in some aspects.
Korra
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Y u so dumb?
At this point I'm just waiting for Zaheer to become some megalomaniac douche because if he doesn't I'll end up siding with him.
People can fuck up only so many times. I mean, there's a guy who knows lava bending. Maybe, just maybe, Bolin and Mako arent the best freaking back up all things said. Did she learn nothing from going off half cocked against Amon, Unalaq and etc. Devolpment!
Though I like Bolin.
Korra gurl
Y u so dumb?
At this point I'm just waiting for Zaheer to become some megalomaniac douche because if he doesn't I'll end up siding with him.
People can fuck up only so many times. I mean, there's a guy who knows lava bending. Maybe, just maybe, Bolin and Mako arent the best freaking back up all things said. Did she learn nothing from going off half cocked against Amon, Unalaq and etc. Devolpment!
Though I like Bolin.
Honestly, I don't think Korra is supposed to be a good Avatar. She really isn't. I get the feeling that her character arch over all the seasons will be her developing into a good one. I will say I feel as though she's taken large strides in that matter. She really needs to throw off that rash and stupid side, though, because it gets her in trouble so much. Can't be healthy the amount of times its nearly gotten her killed.
I do have a feeling that this Red Lotus will turn into a plot device to develop a philosophy in Korra in how she handles the changing world. She's acknowledged the need for it, but still resists the idea when it comes to actually making the world around her change. Even with the air nomads, she's more intent on bringing back something that is supposed to be part of this world she expects rather than changing anything. Of course, change is hard to accept for everyone. I have a feeling she will find a balance (I know, right?) between the resistance she and the rest of the world has with the extremist views of the Red Lotus.
I do have a feeling that this Red Lotus will turn into a plot device to develop a philosophy in Korra in how she handles the changing world. She's acknowledged the need for it, but still resists the idea when it comes to actually making the world around her change. Even with the air nomads, she's more intent on bringing back something that is supposed to be part of this world she expects rather than changing anything. Of course, change is hard to accept for everyone. I have a feeling she will find a balance (I know, right?) between the resistance she and the rest of the world has with the extremist views of the Red Lotus.
It doesn't bother me that much. I love Zaheer, I think he's a great villain. I guess we just don't entirely agree on how achievable his talents are (in the time he had). But that's okay. It doesn't bother me that he's OP as shit.
As far as Zaheer's mumbling "IRL" from the spirit world, I think it would have worked a lot better if they'd shown him partially fade for a moment in the spirit world, to show that he was momentarily half-in, half-out.
I don't have trouble buying that he's a very spiritual person, going so far as to be able to blink around inside the spirit world like we saw him do last week. But as skilled a martial artist as he is, his airbending skill does seem pretty farfetched. I hope they touch on this at some point, how he was able to get so good so fast. Or how he was such an apparently high-ranking member of the Red Lotus despite not being able to bend. The only other non-bender we've seen in one of these secret societies was the sword master from TLA. But it's especially odd considering the other three members of his little group are not only benders, but benders of exceptional and unique talents.
One thing that would have been really interesting to touch on earlier in the season, in regards to the people that didn't want bending, was that none of them asked Korra to take it away. A couple of them said they wanted to go back to their normal lives, and it actually was possible. Maybe they just weren't aware that she could do it. I can imagine it's not something she wants to do, especially given the limited supply of airbenders, which easily explains why she never offered, but it would have shown Korra, plainer than she's seen so far, that bending isn't for everyone.
I don't have trouble buying that he's a very spiritual person, going so far as to be able to blink around inside the spirit world like we saw him do last week. But as skilled a martial artist as he is, his airbending skill does seem pretty farfetched. I hope they touch on this at some point, how he was able to get so good so fast. Or how he was such an apparently high-ranking member of the Red Lotus despite not being able to bend. The only other non-bender we've seen in one of these secret societies was the sword master from TLA. But it's especially odd considering the other three members of his little group are not only benders, but benders of exceptional and unique talents.
One thing that would have been really interesting to touch on earlier in the season, in regards to the people that didn't want bending, was that none of them asked Korra to take it away. A couple of them said they wanted to go back to their normal lives, and it actually was possible. Maybe they just weren't aware that she could do it. I can imagine it's not something she wants to do, especially given the limited supply of airbenders, which easily explains why she never offered, but it would have shown Korra, plainer than she's seen so far, that bending isn't for everyone.
Icyflamez96
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Eh, well I buy it. The only thing a little bit trippy for me is his airbending skill. Considering he probably knew a ton about airbending culture already, he likely already knew how it worked. He didn't really seem to a traditional airbending style either (well i'm thinking of the time when he first broke out of prison). Also he probably had time to practice in his cell for whatever amount of time he had before the guards came lol
Yeah, I agree with you on airbending. I don't care how much someone studies about it, or has impeccable martial art skills. It's pretty crazy that he would be able to become a master airbender in a matter of weeks. I agree that they could make the logical explanation HOW he is that good. But eh.
I dunno. Like I said, none of it really bothers me though lol. I mean, I only bring it up if we are having a discussion on it. I guess I can agree with you overall, that while I personally think some of it is silly, at least they laid down the groundwork for WHY it could be explained. Rather, the characters design (and his backstory), has set it up so it makes sense why he can do what he does.
Icyflamez96
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Dem facial expressions
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If there isn't an explanation on where Zaheer got his training during this season then I may not watch Season 4. Even if it's something lame like he studied rare scrolls like Katara and Aang did.
I'm so looking forward to his backstory being tied in with Aang somehow. All I want is a little retrospective in the Avatar world. A lot has happened, and all they've been doing this whole series is reacting to crazy impossible threats and when they're not, it's full of useless relationship BS that has amounted to nothing.
It's like..calm down and give us some heart. Give us some spirituality and let Korra figure out how to be an Avatar. Aang didn't figure this shit out on his own, while he was in the middle of fighting Ozai.
Yeah not expecting much at this point but it would Still be a nice surprise if they gave some background information on the other Red Lotus members, I'm really curious about Ming-Hua and her missing arms
Maybe Zuko will finally come back as he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since Episode 4 to give Korra some more information about Red Lotus and its members
Man just realised how long Zuko has been gone you think someone with a flying Dragon would be able to get to Korra quicker
Studio Mir having been killing it this season with all the reactions and facial expressions
Admiral Woofington
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Someone is salty that the boleska ship sunk like the Titanic.
lol yes. It's crazy how serious people take shipping. Consider that, Eska was just introduced last season. I really liked the character, but lol I wouldn't get that invested in her (in that short amount of time, given she didn't even have that much screen time). Not to mention, a lot of her time revolved around being a joke designed around Bolin.
I don't really care who ends up with who. I don't even care about shipping in general, but specifically this show is really bad at it. I just ask they stop with all the BS (ie. Bolin falling in love with a new girl every season, and the relationship is built around a joke, since Bolin is a joke). That's my thing. That's my takeaway from Eska/Bolin. Not that, Eska is a strong character, that needs someone loyal.
Admiral Woofington
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Also not to mention that the VA already has other major work I didn't expect her to be in this for too long.
m_shortpants
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Hell, we never got an explanation (and still don't) of how Sparky Sparky boom people do their thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong
?? maybe answers are there for sparky sparky boom people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong
?? maybe answers are there for sparky sparky boom people
Fantastic post, pretty much 100% spot on. I still think, it's kind of silly that Zaheer can be the level of a master air bender. Just because, I feel like studying bending, and being a master at martial arts, doesn't equate to having the power of bending within you, and how it controls.
But that's just a small gripe. And I guess you could make the argument that since he's so spiritual (and we've seen bending tied directly to Chi/spirituality), then it makes sense Zaheer adapted so quickly to his new bending powers. Everything else you said about his other powers, is spot on (especially compared to other characters in the series that have had ridiculous powers that were far more of a stretch).
Shipping is fun as long nobody in the round takes it serious.
I really liked Eska, as my former avatar should've shown. And think if she gave her and Boling some neat little arc about him changing her, making her realize that she can't force love. A few little scenes developing this relationship from abuse and joke slowly to real feelings would've been very nice. I think they thought at something like that, but just thought that it wasn't that important. It would've make the face heel turn not so fast and the end of their relationship heavier, with her realizing that she can force love and letting go deliberately.
But Bolin didn't spend a single thought of her in this season, so I guess the dream is dead.
Admiral Woofington
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I think the issue was likely more that Aubrey Plaza is a relatively big name and it would've been hard to keep her for two seasons as a recurring character.
Also welcome back bro, don't go crazy again.
Also welcome back bro, don't go crazy again.
I too find it really annoying.
I think the repetition may have a purpose though. Laghima probably has some yet-to be-revealed significance to whatever plan the Red Lotus intends to enact.
Leaked image from Episode 11
http://i.imgur.com/uvL7FF2.jpg
The Ultimatum
Looks like something big is going down at the ba sing se palace
Holy moly. So
that plot line is definitely heading down the road we all thought.
Wonder where that leaked image came from.
EDIT: By the way, a semi-spoiler from Book 4.
Jeremy Zuckerman, the composer for the incredible music in Korra and ATLA, released on Soundcloud a "cue from a scene from an episode from a season" of Legend of Korra a few days ago (on Aug 1). Most fans seem to agree it's not from an episode that has aired yet, and his coyness implies that it could be from Book 4. Are they already producing music for it?
The track is beautiful, by the way.
I really don't like when shows are depended on the actors. But I think here they just don't have the time to fit her in. Especially with Opal around. Well, if she appears again before the season ends.
This sounds like I had a meltdown. But yeah, I am gonna get me some icecream next time I get emotional in a discussion rather than post too fast.
Hi there
Nice.
Btw. what about Zuko and the twins? They could move their asses to Korra. Same for the White Lotus. We know he isn't what he was, but he could at least try to send people to protect the Avatar. The only person who cared so far was Lin.
Someone on Tumblr got the image by simply changing the URL. Same way how all the other leaked images came out
Korrastyle
Great track wouldn't be that surprising if they are already composing some Book 4 stuff already as Jeremy Zuckerman last I saw was working on the score for the Book 3 finale way back in May
https://twitter.com/JeremyZuckerman/status/470357433161097216
https://twitter.com/JeremyZuckerman/status/471309843270098945
Yeah i'm surprised at how long Zuko has been away for so long (unless he's been sulking in a corner for the last 5 episodes about getting beaten by a rock)
You think he would be able to catch up to Korra by now, Dudes got a flying dragon
Shipping is fun as long nobody in the round takes it serious.
I really liked Eska, as my former avatar should've shown. And think if she gave her and Boling some neat little arc about him changing her, making her realize that she can't force love. A few little scenes developing this relationship from abuse and joke slowly to real feelings would've been very nice. I think they thought at something like that, but just thought that it wasn't that important. It would've make the face heel turn not so fast and the end of their relationship heavier, with her realizing that she can force love and letting go deliberately.
But Bolin didn't spend a single thought of her in this season, so I guess the dream is dead.
I guess I just found their relationship to be shallow. On it's face, it was all about Eska being abusive to Bolin and that being "funny", because get it..Bolin is being treated like a slave by "crazy" lover. Then for half the season they never saw each other. But in the finale he suddenly realizes..he loves her?
Don't get me wrong, I liked Eska too. And I wouldn't have had an issue with Bolin and her being a couple. I just don't see how it was anything but shallow writing. So that, a fan would write an epic essay style post about how deep Eska is, and how deep their romance was...lol it's just a bit crazy to me. I wouldn't have opposed a story arc where Bolin ended up having feelings for her, despite their strange relationship. But it wasn't really built up.
And that's just a larger issue with how they write for Bolin, and romance in general in this show. Bolin is pretty much treated like a joke (and that includes his relationships with others). At this point, I don't have much hope that him and Opal will last in Book 4. I'm sure they will find some stupid reason to make it the butt of a joke. But then again, maybe they'll pull a Suki (since it's this late in the game), and just put the relationship on the back burner, only to return to it in Book 4.
I think that would be the best option at this point.
I can only agree with you. The relationship was never one - which makes me sad, because it could've been something. Like I said, exploring Eskas faults and Bolins inability to just say the truth, would been interesting topics.
And yeah, they got to stop writing him as a joke. Even his epic fight in the last season was mostly a joke.
Show me a future where Asami isn't Mako's waifu, and then I'll be a believer.
Infinite Justice
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And have said before the worst thing is that he's not even funny most of the time.
If he's gonna be stuck to one thing at least make him be good at it?
patience is a virtue
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