Red Arremer
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To be fair, there wasn't really all that many female vets to begin with (Peach, Zelda/Sheik, Marth and the 2 Samuses... Samii?).
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 12: Gwah, hah. Welcome to the Bowser's game.
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To be fair, there wasn't really all that many female vets to begin with (Peach, Zelda/Sheik, Marth and the 2 Samuses... Samii?).
Beelzebufo
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Is there a limit to how many characters can fit in a tier? Why make arbitrary restrictions? ROBs definitely not iffy lol.
PadWarrior
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Lol those masks look weird
It makes the list usable for different numbers of veteran cuts. Say you put everyone in Guaranteed but Snake. Two veterans are cut, so Snake is cut, and...who else? I have no idea how many veterans are going to be cut, but I can have a better guess of who stays if the veterans are prioritized. Better would be an ungrouped ranked list, but that would be too hard to compile.
Yeah, it's just my guess. We all have different expectations/biases. It would be neat to make an aggregated list of people's expectations.
P.S. I think you and I already discussed ROB's chances. I'm not saying ROB is unlikely, but I don't think he's more likely than Lucas and Wolf. He's definitely not guaranteed.
Hours Left
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I think they're cute.
A lot of the ones in StreetPass Plaza are actually really cool, so I hope they're all in Smash. (That would be quite a lot though...)
Possibly. I'm not sure why you think a totally unique character like ROB has the same chances as two clones.
This is how I see it.
Basically Confirmed
Wario
Mr. Game & Watch
Meta Knight
Ice Climbers
Very Likely
Ganondorf
R.O.B.
Falco/Wolf (One of them.)
Ness/Lucas (One of them.)
Jigglypuff
Maybe
Falco/Wolf (The leftover one.)
Ness/Lucas (The leftover one.)
Snake
Probably Not
Squirtle
Ivysaur
cooljeanius
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Found this on reddit:
Masked Man
I said wow
Waiting for the inevitable "No, you'll get it today!" follow-up when he's finally revealed. :lol
Great picture of the day. Hope all the mii plaza hats are in. Can't wait to play as tingle and diskun!
I wouldn't take todays POTD as confirmation for any character making it in at all. All it means is that more hats from mii plaza are in than previously thought. Possibly all of them.
Would you think the Rhythm heaven monkeys were playable if this hat were shown?
I wouldn't take todays POTD as confirmation for any character making it in at all. All it means is that more hats from mii plaza are in than previously thought. Possibly all of them.
Would you think the Rhythm heaven monkeys were playable if this hat were shown?
BassForever
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Mii fighters confirmed to be top tier?
Hours Left
Member
Except that the choice of hats are almost certainly not random. Sakurai LOVES to tease. It's not a coincidence.
Showing a hat of previously playable character is a pretty big sign IMO.
Your list isn't really that different from mine, anyway. You've only moved people up and down one tier. And yeah, I have the same opinion as you that if one of the Earthbound/Star Fox characters is in, the other's odds drop. I just picked the ones I think have the better shot.
ROB is unique, but that doesn't necessarily save him. Mewtwo was certainly more unique than Falco, but shit happened. And hey, you gave him the same odds as two clones (Starfox clone and Ganondorf) as well.
That could be an issue, but helmets like Samus and Metaknight's do require considerably more detail than most of the hats - having the vast majority be ported models with a select few touched up or remodeled might be an option.
balladofwindfishes
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Man, I checked today's PoTD on my tiny phone screen half awake and got super excited for Meta Knight, because I read the text first, until I focused my eyes on the picture a bit more, realized it was an ultra troll and went back to sleep.
Hours Left
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I didn't say you're list was that off, but putting R.O.B. as iffy definitely reads wrong to me. He's got a way better chance of being in than the a second Fox clone, or a clone of a niche RPG series character. The only reason Ganondorf is as high as he is on my list is because of his pedigree. That overtakes the clones status IMO. (Same thing with having another Star Fox rep.)Your list isn't really that different from mine, anyway. You've only moved people up and down one tier. And yeah, I have the same opinion as you that if one of the Earthbound/Star Fox characters is in, the other's odds drop. I just picked the ones I think have the better shot.
ROB is unique, but that doesn't necessarily save him. Mewtwo was certainly more unique than Falco, but shit happened. And hey, you gave him the same odds as two clones (Starfox clone and Ganondorf) as well.
But I'm pretty confident that everyone in my top two tiers will be in. As for Mewtwo, if he was in Brawl, I'd say he was a shoe-in for this game. I think the transition from Brawl to Sm4sh will be much more forgiving than Melee to Brawl.
You're just making assumptions, but it means nothing.
Meta knight being cut, unlikely. Hat means meta knight is in? Not necessarily. You guys are reading too much into this.
Hours Left
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I disagree. Why would he choose a Meta Knight hat other than to tease? You have to build these characters, they aren't randomly generated.
You really think it's coincidence?
Red Arremer
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I don't think there's any feasible "ranking". I don't even believe that Mewtwo was considered the most expendable character out of Melee's roster, and that he only was cut because some problem caused them to slow down on his development and they had to cut him because of that and having to put in all of Sonic and his stuff (i.e. stage, trophies, the short SSE cutscene and whatnot).
I honestly don't believe that any character beyond Snake and PT's other 2 Pokemon are even particularly likely to get cut at all, as a matter of fact. Sakurai has mentioned before that he's going to try and not cut any characters. Of course, there's the possibility he might have to, but he's not going to go out of his way to do so, essentially, which is what a lot of people seem to assume for some reason.
But, here's why I don't think that any of your "iffy" characters are going to be axed:
Sakurai obviously really enjoys the Mother series, which is clear given the fact that Ness was included in the very first game, although his game series even in Japan is more a cult classic than super popular, that Melee had 2 Mother stages, and Brawl had quite a bit of music and such a big focus on the Mother series within the Subspace Emissary. As a matter of fact, Pokey was one of the very few bosses that were taken out of their respective series, something that many other series did not get - not even Zelda had a boss from its series, but Mother did. That's why I sincerely believe that both Ness and Lucas are gonna come back. Though I do think that if they HAD to cut a character beyond Snake and the PT Pokemon, it would be Lucas solely based on the fact that he is from a game that never came out outside of Japan.
For a similar reason is why I think ROB is also going to be back in. ROB was the main character of the SSE. He was the Ancient Minister, the SSE's logo was based on ROB's gyro. He was a completely unique character, and Sakurai loves his oddball inclusions. You could see the sparkling in his eyes and the smirk on his face when he came on stage for Wii Fit Trainer's reveal and his first words were "You didn't expect that, huh?". ROB is a character that not only is an oddball, it also is representative of Nintendo's hardware as a whole, as it's the only feasible inclusion of a hardware-based playable fighter due to his humanoid base shape.
And again, Sakurai has been wanting to introduce Wolf for almost a decade until he finally could do it feasibly in Brawl. Your "opinions can change" argument is as much of an assumption as your guesses as to which characters are more likely to be included than others, especially when you put them into "tiers".
If they have to cut a veteran, it doesn't even have to be one of the "expendable" characters. It could be a popular and iconic character, such as Mewtwo, but that character just happened to be lined up for finishing towards the end of development. You can classify characters into "expendable" tiers as much as you want.
That said, without the Subspace Emissary to focus on, and a much bigger staff, it seems like Sakurai and his team are not going to have nearly as many problems with time constraints as they had with Brawl. Brawl is a pretty unpolished game all things considered, while Smash 4 is looking to be really well designed and complete.
uncleniccius
Member
Out of interest what makes you think Ice Climbers are "basically confirmed"? The Ice Climbers symbol we saw?
Hours Left
Member
And the Polar Bear enemy in Smash Run.
I think it could be either and there's no way to tell. If all he wanted to do was tease, he wouldn't have included samus in the shot.
uncleniccius
Member
Yeah, that's the other thing I was thinking of.. fair enough.
Hours Left
Member
I actually think that's even more of a hint towards Meta Knight. Masks of playable characters.
Anyway, all we can do is wait and see. But considering Sakurai's past behavior, I really don't see how it can be thought of as anything else. Whether or not he's setting us up for a fall, only time will tell, but I imagine that won't be the case.
Yes I am making an assumption that Metaknight will be back based off this picture and could be wrong. But I agree with how Hours Left put it, he picked that hat to tease us. I don't think Sakurai would show off the Metaknight hat without the pay off of Metaknight actually being in the game. Otherwise he is essentially reducing Metaknight to a specialized mii character.
I also don't think all 172 hats will show up in Smash, and that he chose which hats to include. And since we have both the Samus Hat and we know Samus is playable, I'm thinking that he picked the Nintendo character hats that relate to the playable characters.
Beelzebufo
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This is much better than the other guy's list. Good job!
TheSlySoul
Member
I have to agree. The Mii Plaza hats are different than the hats in Smash. They relate to a playable character in this case. I can see getting some based around the series like AT's do, but the amount of customization of Miis are probably limited. It is cool though that the helmets are an option.
Here is the Mii Plaza Samus hat as a reference:
No, I do agree with you that the likeliest scenario is that Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake get cut. The other tiers are just there in case more cuts have to be made. I think Wolf, Lucas, and ROB are good inclusions, but I think the other veterans are better inclusions. And of course, my list is pure conjecture. Maybe a historian knows, but I don't remember many people expecting Mewtwo to get cut, especially before the Lucario leak. Roy was also really popular.
Nocturnowl
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I'm fine with most things but I just can't deal with the pea shooter.
Senselessb
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I did the exact same. I had to look over the photo wondering where meta knight was
I love her suit in other M. Way sleeker and cooler than her super metroid/prime ones, I think. It's one of the few things other M did right.
ROB is unique, but that doesn't necessarily save him. Mewtwo was certainly more unique than Falco, but shit happened. And hey, you gave him the same odds as two clones (Starfox clone and Ganondorf) as well.
Mewtwo was unique, but was a secondary character from an already represented series. ROB is the main rep of his own thing and there is no precedent for axing entire series completely. That's why I think that Wario, the Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Snake and one MOTHER rep are going to be in, because when you cut these characters you are not only losing original characters but also all the stages, music, trophies, Smash Run enemies and the rest of the content from their franchises that add to the Smash world.
boclfon479
Member
I wonder if the hats are unlocked by having them on the 3ds and transferring them to the wii u?
It would encourage street pass, and they can also make it so if you go against someone with a hat you get it.
To me that would encourage street passing people with hats and collecting them.
They can also sell them for play coins in the 3ds version
It would encourage street pass, and they can also make it so if you go against someone with a hat you get it.
To me that would encourage street passing people with hats and collecting them.
They can also sell them for play coins in the 3ds version
I will only accept Starman & no other.
The Amazon or bust, man.
And now I really wish Streetpass had a Ridley hat. Well, I wish that more.
I'm fine with the helmet, torso and legs.
But the gun sucks, it looks weak as fuck, and the shoulders just look boring without the ridges. Doesn't look as imposing.
They went sleeker but ended up making her look weaker, she doesn't look like a planet destroying tank in Other M, Super/Prime designs struck more of a balance visually, even if the gameplay of Prime didn't have the speed.
Also it sucks that they used the Super Design for three games and then jumped straight to Other M's design, could have given the Prime design a chance in Brawl atleast.
This is essentially my opinion - the SSB4 model manages to fix most of the problems with the Other M suit, but that cannon just looks pathetic.
If only they decided to draw a little more from Prime's cannon in adapting the Other M suit...
Red Arremer
Member
I honestly don't think any suit design is particularly outstanding as good or bad either way. I really don't get the hate Other M gets for the suit design. But I like Metroid 2's suit design the best.
I don't think that was the case - although they are fairly similar, I think the Brawl suit draws more from Zero Mission.
It's a little sad we never got to see the Prime design in an official Smash game, but passing it up in favour of a design from a 2004 game is slightly more defensible than retaining Super's.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I think you guys are thinking waaay too much on this pic.
Hell, the next PotD might not even talk about it!
Hell, the next PotD might not even talk about it!
Red Arremer
Member
There's plenty of stages, music, trophies and other aspects in all 4 games that don't have a playable character.
Here's an example of series that, in the past or currently, have been represented by things that weren't playable characters (so far):
Nintendo hardware (e.g. Super Scope, Nintendo DS)
Nintendogs/Nintencats
Pilotwings
Balloon Fight
Mysterious Murasame Castle
Wonderful 101
Rayman
Electroplankton
Animal Crossing
Mario Kart
Paper Mario
Punch-Out!!
Custom Robo
Sin & Punishment
Golden Sun
Panel de Pon
and plenty of other things that I can't think of right now, but are represented in items, trophies, music or stages in any of the 4 games in the series.
PadWarrior
Member
Sakurai might as well reveal Meta Knight this week lol.
Labrynian Rebel
Member
Pic of the day. "Hello! I'm Samus, the intergalactic bounty hunter!" "And I am Meta Knight, joining the battle!!"
I think he's talking about going from a represented series as a fighter and then being demoted to assist or lower level representation as a whole.
It would be like if they had Captain Falcon in SSB64 but then cut him and kept his stage in Melee and beyond. Off the top of my head I can't think of any cases where any cut characters meant cutting an entire series representation (I'm not counting third parties because our only indicator has not been officially confirmed/denied.)
The shoulders are one of the things I like the most.
I like that it's more rounded and doesn't have the weird ridges. The shoulders remind me of the morph ball, like she squeezes into her shoulders (I know that's not true, because of the standard suit not having round shoulders), so the roundness fits w/ the morph ball mentality that I have. And even though her gun is small, it looks really cool, I think. I also like that it's not a big ol cylinder. Just because it's smaller doesn't mean it's less powerful.
Reminds me of the noisy cricket from Men in Black. Even though it was tiny, it was super strong!
