Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)

Sàmban;124982708 said:
Yes...and the "buying" happened after MS stepped in to foot the bill because Respawn/EA somehow couldn't. Of course they'll want it as an exclusive.
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MS made two deals for Titanfall, the initial deal was for development support and the second happened in October 2013 when they went full exclusive and we seen the "for the life of the title" quote.
 
Gemüsepizza;124982816 said:
What a stupid post. You would still get Tomb Raider without Microsoft buying exclusiveness.
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Point being money buy things, this is business no charity. You would ... probably, case being you: won't now, unless you have an xbox.
 
mrklaw said:
well in the other thread you seemed pretty quick to jump on people's 'biases' too, so maybe you should be looking in a mirror?

If this was a new game, the first in a new franchise, it would still be anti-consumer, but you'd have less pissed off people. There are millions of people that have played TR on PC, PS3 and PS4 and enjoyed it. Now they are being denied the ability to play the sequel unless they own an Xbox as well. And as not that many people are dual console owners (GAF probably an exception) that basically means they feel like Square are telling them to fuck off and they don't want their money.
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Namco Bandai releases many games only on PS3/4, did you ever complain they are anti-consumer?

Yakuza is exclusive on PS3/4, did you ever complain SEGA is anti-consumer?
 
Pai Pai Master said:
From what I understand, Sony is assisting with development so the developer can get the game made with less risk involved. They do this with a lot of small indie devs - they basically give them an advance on sales in order to get the game made and while they don't require them to launch them as PS-exclusives, that's typically how it works with smaller developers that can't produce games for multiple platforms at the same time. No Man's Sky is being prioritized for PS4 and it will be developed for PC as well, and there is nothing preventing it from coming to Wii U and Xbox One, other than manpower.

I could be wrong about No Man's Sky, but when Sony does that (and I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Microsoft have done the same thing), it's different from paying a developer to hold off on other versions of the game which were already in development, so they can get an exclusive launch window.
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We don't know how much of the bill MS is footing here. Square wasn't happy with how TR sold, possible that they're not as confident in the sequel. Exclusive also means that they get a big advertising boost
 
BruiserBear said:
Of course both companies fund some terrible projects. I was really just trying to point out the absurdity behind the "the publisher has to own the studio to make an exclusive legit" mantra some people keep bringing up. As if the exact manner in which great videogames are funded is critically important to people. Like anyone of the people criticizing this shit gave two fucks that MGS4 was paid to be kept off of the 360 in 2008. No one ran around here yelling about how scummy Sony was for that stuff back then.

Sony doesn't have the money to really throw around these days to pay for exclusives, so suddenly it's not a cool thing for anyone else to do it.
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The game was 40GB on PS3...Kojima said that was the sole reason for it not being on the 360. It had no support for multiple disc back then.
 
I chalk it up to SE's incompetence. 7 million copies of Tomb Raider sold and it's branded as a failure. You have to question what kind of decision making is going on there to read a sentence like that.

In their desperation to secure the game's future they could have reached out to MS for some kind of monetary guarantee. A choice they might end up regretting.

They just cut their fan base in half for a quick buck. I don't think it'll pay off in the long term.
 
BruiserBear said:
I'll provide a source for my MGS4 claim when you can provide a source for the fact that Microsoft paid to make Tomb Raider exclusive to the Xbox. You know these exclusivity deals are almost never publicly acknowledged, but no, I don't buy Kojima being a PS fanboy as the reason they put a massive project on the PS3 only.
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I could be wrong here but I thought I remembered Hideo saying that when they had the time they were going to port MGS4 and it just became kind of a pain in the ass. I don't doubt Sony helped fund it to start its life on the PS3 but Sony did the same thing with FFXIII and that didn't change anything.
 
tmtyf said:
some of the replies in this thread..

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Looking forward to see how the game shapes up
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What did you expect? People to be over joyed by this announcement?

Grow up.
 
Didn't the Definitive Edition sell more on PS4 than Xbox One? Were the sales between the two current gen systems closer than I thought? (This might have already been covered, sorry.)
 
Morfeo said:
Yeah it might be different, what do we know. But the point is anyways that Sony funds it (or co-funds it or whatever) and thus it stays an exclusive, which is basically what MS does with this game as well. For me as a consumer, its the same deal. I will have to get a PS4 if I want to play Bloodborne (which I want), and I have to get a Bone if I want to play this (which I probably wont for a while).
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As far as we know, it's not the same thing.

There would be no Bloodborne without Sony going to FROM and asking for a collaboration in a new IP. Japan Studio is co-developing and funding Bloodborne.

We don't 100% know the situation, but it seems like Rise of the Tomb Raider was going to appear on Xbox consoles ANYWAY. This is just Microsoft paying Square to keep it off of the competition.
 
Einbroch said:
Going to be interesting to see if Sony uses the same tactics later today and seeing the reactions then.

There's absolutely nothing wrong in being disappointed if you don't own an Xbone. You wanted to play, you can't, that sucks. It's the hyperbole that is ridiculous.
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I'm trying to think of a game Sony could/would do this for. Fallout? KH3?
 
MrDaravon said:
IIRC that's because the PC version was going to wind up not making it financially.

Yup wikipedia (at least assuming this is correct):
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TCR assumed it wouldn't generate enough money through crowdfunding to cover the cost of the game. That's why PC gamers felt so slighted: crowdfunding wasn't attempted at all before the decision was made to partner with Sony. If it had, and not enough money were pledged, the news of PS4 exclusivity would have been met with far less outrage since at that point it would have been clear that the game wouldn't have been able to make it to the finish line without Sony's involvement.
 
MS have actually been pretty good in terms of exclusives so far - with games like Ryse and Sunset Overdrive they have allowed the developers to retain IP control which is a nice incentive for developers to choose MS Vs Sony as a platform to launch on. Financial backing, marketing support and keeping your IP sounds pretty good.

This is a horribly blunt instrument in comparison.
 
Agent AA1 said:
Lol, go read the actual history. It isn't PR bs. Download the "Final Hours of Titanfall"
It should make more sense to you afterwards.
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I don't believe it, which is exactly what I was saying.

You can have a huge PR spin after the fact about things without telling a lie but without spreading the truth either.

The Final Hours of Titanfall reads as total PR spin.

There is no way you can ever convince me that the creators of Call of Duty were in serious danger of their projects being cancelled.
 
BruiserBear said:
I'll provide a source for my MGS4 claim when you can provide a source for the fact that Microsoft paid to make Tomb Raider exclusive to the Xbox. You know these exclusivity deals are almost never publicly acknowledged, but no, I don't buy Kojima being a PS fanboy as the reason they put a massive project on the PS3 only.


How scummy is Sony for making No Man's Sky exclusive to the PS4? Is that a sign of everything that is wrong with Sony?


You've been a really big supporter of Microsoft for a while now. This is certainly a change for you. /s
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I don't know why in the world you're defending this. It's a huge AAA sequel to a game that came out on other platforms as recently as early this year. Nobody should be happy with this. I have an Xbox One so I'm fine, but I'm certainly not going to defend it.
 
BruiserBear said:
How scummy is Sony for making No Man's Sky exclusive to the PS4? Is that a sign of everything that is wrong with Sony?
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False equivalence as always BruiserBear.

VanWinkle said:
I don't know why in the world you're defending this. It's a huge AAA sequel to a game that was available on other platforms as recently as early this year. Nobody should be happy with this. I have an Xbox One so I'm fine, but I'm certainly not going to defend it.
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He can defend it and look like a fool. That's par for the course with him.
 
BruiserBear said:
I'll provide a source for my MGS4 claim when you can provide a source for the fact that Microsoft paid to make Tomb Raider exclusive to the Xbox. You know these exclusivity deals are almost never publicly acknowledged.


How scummy is Sony for making No Man's Sky exclusive to the PS4? Is that a sign of everything that is wrong with Sony?





You've been a really big supporter of Microsoft for a while now. This is certainly a change for you. /s
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Jeez at this post...
 
zhao3gold said:
Namco Bandai releases many games only on PS3/4, did you ever complain they are anti-consumer?

Yakuza is exclusive on PS3/4, did you ever complain SEGA is anti-consumer?
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Stop being ridiculous.

In no way is that comparable to this, use your brain for once. Yakuza doesn't have thousands of fans on Xbox. The last Yakuza hasn't just released on Xbox.
 
Kinyou said:
Doesn't that make kind of sense? Instead of hoping that it will do better this time they just share the development cost with MS. MS will probably not profit much, but square most definitely will.
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That's what I was thinking. This could be a Bayo 2 type situation.
 
This is the last franchise I would see not being on a PS console. Sure the first game debuted on the Saturn, but this franchise is Playstation as much as GTA is. Even though the franchise went downhill after Tomb Raider 2, this move is going to take away some salt and anger, haha.

Very surprising.
 
BigDug13 said:
People comparing this to No Man's Sky and Bloodborne, just stop.

Microsoft never had Bloodborne on their stage. They never had No Man's Sky on their stage. But Sony devoted part of their E3 stage presentation to Tomb Raider. It was originally being pushed as a Multiplatform game with a marketing deal with Sony.
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Um. I'm pretty sure those last 2 sentences are completely untrue. In fact I'm almost 100% sure.
 
BigDug13 said:
People comparing this to No Man's Sky and Bloodborne, just stop.

Microsoft never had Bloodborne on their stage. They never had No Man's Sky on their stage. But Sony devoted part of their E3 stage presentation to Tomb Raider. It was originally being pushed as a Multiplatform game with a marketing deal with Sony.
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Rise was at MS. You're thinking the DL which is still coming.
 
Yukiko said:
You dont think its messed up to block fans from a sequel? Would be like cutting off fans from the next film in a movie series or book that continues the plot AFTER they already got started on the series.
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I had to buy a PSP for Valkyria Chronicles 2.

Hyunashi said:
What if Sony got something for this. FF7 believe.
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Square went to Sony I believe because of N64 limitations. I could be wrong though I forget how it happened exactly.
 
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