Obviously the check that MS paid ensured they won't be worrying about those lost sales, especially when they release TR on PS4 in 2016
Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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Obviously the check that MS paid ensured they won't be worrying about those lost sales, especially when they release TR on PS4 in 2016
FrankNitty
Member
What? Wait...this doesn't even make sense. I mean really? You are fucking around right? Cause this seems to have no logic behind it at all.
So you want to play Tomb Raider...the console is cheaper which you were going to buy anyways. The game is listed as exclusive in 2015...So far I'm following you...you want to play tomb raider yeah...but this is where shit gets weird. Now you are not buying the console you were planning on buying anyways to play the game you want to play because it is exclusive in 2015?
Am I slow or am I missing something here?
You're trolling right? I mean that cant be a real thought? lol
SniperHunter
Banned
so is this a timed exclusive or a big exclusive?
Probably the former, only being spun as the latter.
I agree with all of this. In fact, I was looking for someone to post about "timed exclusivity" of Hell Blade, but didn't found anything related to it instead got immense praise for the reveal. Sometime fanboys are too cynical.
DustyVonEric
Member
I think launching close to each other could be considered direct enough competition. Even in the same month. It would make sense to move your launch period if rightly or wrongly people are going to directly compare your product with a titan.
It's pretty smart maneuvering to get cash from MS (if that's what happened) for a marketing deal too.
The only thing that wouldn't make sense to me is if the TR exclusive window is significant (6 months to a year+). Then this game may miss out on the hype generated by those who recently played it on PS Plus, if something new and exciting comes along.
Edit:
Bah, missed when you said this
When Bloodbourne got announced, there were a ton of pc/xbox players complaining about it being exclusive. Also, who gives a shit Ninja Theory? They've made some ok games, but nothing that would make anyone upset if it wasn't on pc/ps4 at launch. They don't have franchise that's been around for 20 years and has a ton of fans following it like Tomb Raider does. I also love the logic of "well it happened before so its ok it happens now". So because a company did a shitty thing in the past, I have to be ok with them doing it again? What are you talking about? Your making no sense here.
Ramocalypse
Member
Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot. I dont know how much the rest of you know about American culture (Im an expert), but honor and shame are not huge parts of it. Its like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in America, you bring shame to no-one, and the only way to get rid of that shame is not giving a damn. What this means is the American public, after hearing about this, is still going to want to purchase Tomb Raider for either system, and they will continue to purchase many of Microsofts games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Microsoft has not alienated an entire market with this move. Microsoft, publicly apologize and cancel Tomb Raider for XboxOne or whatever.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I've never heard of Hellblade. Did this come out on the Sega Saturn?
I didn't know Tomb Raider and Hellblade came out around the same time.
gaming_noob
Member
This is not really a big deal to me.. Now, if SE gave the next Deus Ex Human Revolutions timed exclusive I'd flip out...
I thought Hellblade had more to do with Heavenly Sword.
Tidus_Great
Banned
same as any other MS "exclusive" just wait 6-12 months and it will be on ps4 or PC so really only uninformed people without internet will believe their false exclusive lies
Nathan_Drake
Member
maybe he/she doesn't like their policy and doesn't want to support them? Like a lot of people felt after E3. Just taking a guess here
BronsonLee
Member
Reposting this because it's funny to me:
Were there similar reactions to this sort of thing in the Titanfall and Bloodbourne threads?
Consoles get exclusive games. They do this so people feel enticed to buy them. The more popular the series, the more desirable it is to have as an exclusive.
Consoles get exclusive games. They do this so people feel enticed to buy them. The more popular the series, the more desirable it is to have as an exclusive.
Do you have specific examples of people praising one and bashing the other? It's easy to have sweeping "hive mind" generalizations to sweep opinions under the rug, but there are thousands of unique individuals expressing their opinions.
I believe you're missing something, yes.
I think he means he will not support Microsoft for using this sort of perceived anti-consumer tactics, despite Xbox One being cheaper and more to his liking without Kinect.
Chobel
Member
C'mon they're two different games and just launching 2 weeks apart will give them both breathing room.
And even assuming CD are afraid of UC, the game is also not coming to PC where there's no UC.
EDIT: And yeah most of time (always?), delayed games have bad/mediocre sales especially when they're not released in holiday season. Unless of Course SE are going to do a major advertising for PS4 version, which they won't.
meanspartan
Member
How much says Square blames Crystal Dynamics when this inevitably disappoints in sales?
BronsonLee
Member
Of course not. She hates tombs
You mad at Sony for their timed exclusives too?
Hellblade is a timed exclusive for PS4, just like Tomb Raider for Xbox. But people are hating MS for their apparent "dick move" as some would call here.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I'm being sarcastic.
Apparently comparing some new found IP that only has 5 pages in its own thread is exactly comparable to Tomb Raider which has quite a following and fanbase that has been created and nurtured for years.
New IPs has the same weight as 10+ years of an established franchise now.
I never played hellblade on my Saturn, Ps1 PS2, PC and GameCube.
The comparison is moot and this thread didn't start off because it was timed. It was deemed an exclusive period published by Microsoft Studios. Are you that finicky now?
Well you said it was an assumption we weren't entitled to, whatever that's meant to imply.
You've also suggested that anyone who is upset is behaving as a fanboy (or girl) and that would definitely seem to imply that we weren't actually invested in playing a game you think we were wrong in thinking would come out on other platforms, and that this is all for show. You've said that people are behaving entitled and you can't empathize with our outrage.
But as I already said, you are still behaving as if all the negative reactions are to a clear statement that the game is only delayed on other platforms and not cancelled entirely. If we weren't "entitled" to our assumptions that the game would be cross-platform, then you certainly aren't in a position to criticize people based on your assumption that it's only a timed exclusive. If SE and CD formally announce that the game is only delayed and will be coming out on other platforms, then I would be more sympathetic to your condescension.
But as it is, you come across as unnecessarily confrontational, criticizing others for reacting negatively to disappointment while also implying their reactions are an insincere act as part of an attempt to score points in some console war.
The Antitype
Banned
I don't really have a problem with Bloodbourne because Sony is publishing it. They're putting the money behind it.
Now you could argue that they only put money behind it because they knew somebody else would, and they wanted to keep a third party game off the competition.... but we don't know that.
People keep talking about the beloved history and fan loyalty to the Tomb Raider series. Until a year ago, the franchise was basically DOA. Nobody gave a shit about it. The people behind the franchise today (publisher AND developer), had nothing to do with the games that came out on PSX. Give it a rest.
Your personal history and memories with the game are not theirs.
You don't have to love it because it happened before. Just don't selectively decide the instances when it's ok (benefits console I love) and when it's not (benefits console I dislike). If you hate this practice across the board, then so be it. I personally don't have a problem with this practice, across the board.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Jeremy Heath-Smith of the original TR team doesn't agree with you, he gave an interview to Retro Gamer stating that Sony approached them for exclusivity, sorry.
I quote: "They approached us and asked if we would be interested [in single-format exclusivity] and we said okay and ended up making a deal that made a lot of sense for all of us"...
Edit: And you are right, it was on PC and MAC, the exclusivity deal with Sony was specifically to cock-block the game coming on Saturn, and N64 later.
Yep. I have an X1 and will not be buying this title. I would feel 100% the same way if Sony did the same thing. I do understand in certain cases, where a company doesn't have the funds and one of the major companies steps in and funds them. Or when they actually step in and publish it. But this multiplat exclusive sniping crap, just to push console (all while fucking over the majority of a series fan base), is IMO a terrible practice. Basically, the majority of Tomb Raider fans now have to suffer, because MS wants move console units, and CD wanted to secure some extra cash.
I get it's business and all, but I still think you can do business without shitting on your consumer base. And in general, I do not like this practice in the industry, so I won't be supporting it.
"See? People just don't want games with female protagonists."
aspiegamer
Member
I don't think they're going to get reimbursed for all these bad vibes and horrible PR they probably should have seen coming. That's a much deeper cost than just retail units not sole on one title.
I'll go into that camp! I'm done with Square-Enix stuff that wasn't originally a Square IP pre-merger. They're the most arrogant pricks for doing this after the Era Of Choice™ they started with FFXIII going to Xbox.
The irony that this is from Square-Enix is one of those "stranger than fiction" things. No one wins.
When your expectations for the TR9 were '7 Million sales=Disappoint' then releasing the next one, on the least popular next gen platform, with presumably a large budget like the last one, this thing is bound to tank from SQEX's point of view.
Not to mention this move has basically singlehandedly tanked any chance of RoTR being successful from a general point of view since Xbox One sales have slowed to a crawl and it'd be genuinely surprising if the system lives to holiday '15.
Not to mention this move has basically singlehandedly tanked any chance of RoTR being successful from a general point of view since Xbox One sales have slowed to a crawl and it'd be genuinely surprising if the system lives to holiday '15.
Looking back at it without the initial shell shock, it was clear that it's a timed exclusive. Tomb Raider is too big of a franchise to swallow for MS, they would choke on it.
Given the stellar sales of the PS4, MS just can't provide the money to cover the PS4 sales plus any extra dough so that Square Enix would agree on the deal.
Given the stellar sales of the PS4, MS just can't provide the money to cover the PS4 sales plus any extra dough so that Square Enix would agree on the deal.
It depends on how much they expect. They can be Square and somehow assume the game will sell double with this timed exclusivity, which it won't. I doubt they're that dumb, but this is the same company very infamous for having major games in some sort of purgatory.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Turns me off already.
meanspartan
Member
Unless it is a Japanese studio, like with FF13 and lightning then THEY ARE DOING NOTHING WRONG.
Their racism (yes, because that is what it is) is hilarious and sad.
Denton
Member
Entire Microsoft's modus operandi summed in single sentence.
Alebrije
Member
Yep , TR these days is lame compared to the PS1 era.
Actually the Sega Saturn was the lead platform for the original, but Sony paid for TR2 to be exclusive.
My, how times change.
Do you really honestly think those two situations are equal?
Well I read the Hellblade thread, and haven't read anyone complaining about the timed exclusivity, but lot of people are fuming over TR deal which begs a question, why they are not pissed at timed exclusive offers that Sony has invested in?
But in all honesty, me arguing over this still doesn't change the fact that how much i am pissed at MS for not releasing this on PC at least. PC owners always get "deal with it" during these console wars.
Marty Chinn
Member
It's not quite that simple. This simply could be money they would have used for marketing, and in many cases, that's what it is. It's budgeted marketing money used to pay for a license to help market the platform. That money would not have gone to development at all and would have went to some other promotion or commercial advertisement.