Nemesis121
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I am really shocked by the outrage for Tomb Raider Xclusive when the majority of GaF hated the 2013 version and called it a cheap Uncharted rip off.
Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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TetraGenesis
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What is the projected install base for xbox one at holiday 2015 given its current sell through and monthly sell rate?
Can Square Enix even break even on this game if they were to sell it to 100% of the install base?
they literally removed 10 million+ potential sales, and that is not even projected to 2015.
bat shit crazy.
Can Square Enix even break even on this game if they were to sell it to 100% of the install base?
they literally removed 10 million+ potential sales, and that is not even projected to 2015.
bat shit crazy.
Right. Okay.
Gotta feel bad for Crystal Dynamics. While I'm sure they want their game to generate a lot of money (and Microsoft paying for timed exclusivity takes some pressure off that), I imagine they would rather more people got a chance to play the game they spent time working on.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
How big was the fanbase for the game when it was on the Saturn and how much did the Saturn sell compared to the PS1?
A well established franchise's sequel....where the majority of the fan base is on the other platform. I don't see this as 1:1. Most people are okay with new franchises being timed exclusive, because it's not hurting people already invested in a series. Imagine if you were into 5 seasons of Game of Thrones, and then it was announced that the last 5 seasons can only be seen if you pony up $500 for a different provider. You would be fuckin pissed. And the people that already own the provider that now has the exclusive to Game of Thrones gain nothing, because they always got Game of Thrones. The exclusive is only there to lure new customers in.
I think most people here are okay with the practice of exclusives. But it's the context of how they are used. Most don't like the idea of a major company throwing down money to snipe a major multi-plat series away from everyone else, as it's depriving them of a series they are already invested in. And the company that moneyhatted, isn't benefiting their customers.
CambriaRising
Member
Well that was unexpected.
I worry that it won't sell as well and Square won't understand why though.
I worry that it won't sell as well and Square won't understand why though.
U n i o n 0015
Member
I haven't played the original (err, reboot), but I just wanted to note that I find the press release positively hilarious.
It goes on and on about how they made the decision for gamers (and NOT boatloads of exclusivity cash, we swear). That somehow releasing on the console with a smaller install base will help "forg[e] the Tomb Raider brand as one of the biggest in gaming." It's just the most PR safe, laughable statement.
Anyway, I don't know why everyone is worried. In all likelihood this will come out on PS4 a bit down the road.
It goes on and on about how they made the decision for gamers (and NOT boatloads of exclusivity cash, we swear). That somehow releasing on the console with a smaller install base will help "forg[e] the Tomb Raider brand as one of the biggest in gaming." It's just the most PR safe, laughable statement.
Anyway, I don't know why everyone is worried. In all likelihood this will come out on PS4 a bit down the road.
Neff
Member
I don't think that's really true anymore. While it felt strange seeing Ridge Racer, Tekken, MGS, FF etc going to Microsoft, it also came with a realisation that Sony's hold on -and association with- major 3rd party franchises had come to an end. These days, the only games synonymous with Playstation are Sony's own 1st party stuff.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
I swear I saw a goalpost moving there.
I'm with you on this.
Spend the money on content we otherwise wouldn't have gottten (e.g. B2)...
Admiral Woofington
Member
It's coming out on pc as well isn't it? Not to mention, unless I'm reading too much into it, it's a sequel/spinoff to a game that was playstation exclusive.
The Antitype
Banned
What? No. Reread it. I said they weren't entitled to have those assumptions met.
You can make whatever assumptions you want, but getting angry when you filled in the blanks with your expectations/imagination only for those blanks to turn out differently is silly.
As far as the timed exclusive vs completely exclusive, I'm basing it on reporting. Every report I have seen says 'Exclusive to Xbox in 2015' or some variation, and almost all of the outlets originally reporting it as exclusive sum total have since updated to point out the 2015 caveat.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
True, but 6 months is 6 months.
This will probably be on PS4 by spring, but having it exclusive for the holidays does given them a bonus. Yes, this may only have a major impact with uninformed gamers, but I think most here would agree that those gamers are in the majority.
Personally this news is largely irrelevant to me. I own an XB1 and PS4 so I can just get this for the console I choose. However, more importantly after the last TR game (which I thought was terrible), I don't think I would give this one much consideration. Unless they radically altered the gameplay and made it morel like the classic TR games.
There was a pretty big difference about the way Hellblade was announced and the way Tomb Raider was announced.
Sony gave full disclosure that it was a timed exclusive.
Microsoft tried to make you think that it was a full exclusive.
The Antitype
Banned
Ah, goal-post moving. Always indicative of a strong position, lol.
Xenon
Member
Once the PS4 Definitive Edition was announced to have 60fps compared to the 30fps on XBO it's stock went up.
Moipa said:
The wording of the announcement makes it very likely.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
What goal post is being moved here? Shear impact is why this game is being argued for. Obviously this fan following comes from somewhere right?
Did I even say the practice was irrelevant at that time? Let's jump to conclusions why don't we.
Yet my question remains unanswered.
Lol Wtf? Are you guys going to answer the question or just elude it to goalpost moving without even attempting to know why I asked it in the first place. I swear....
To be honest, you should read Sunset Overdrive or even TitanFALL threads where developers explained the reason for exclusivity.
Why would you even worry about that?
Of course we know the reason it may not sell well will be due to the game not being exclusive to mobile platforms.
Microsoft are currently building huge rectangles in the floor to make swimming pools of the bountiful tears from people's reactions to this news.
I get to play it still, but alas for those that might not, I shall think of you whilst I'm playing the (going to be beast) of a game.
I get to play it still, but alas for those that might not, I shall think of you whilst I'm playing the (going to be beast) of a game.
I have, and I understand the reasoning behind going exclusive platform, especially for new IPs where it's a risk (or for companies that don't have the money financially). I try to look at each decision individually vs roping them all into one. And IMO this was a bad move, and very anti-consumer (especially for the fan base that supported the last game).
I don't see this situation as the same as Bayonetta 2 or Titanfall. But if I'm wrong I'll admit it. Have we seen proof that CD could not financially make this game without MS? Is MS publishing this, or paying for their dev cost? Or did they just throw cash at them to keep it exclusive for x amount of time? I'm less sympathetic if it's the last thing, as I think in the long term MS and CD are doing more damage than benefit. I get the benefit they are getting short gain (financially and from a business perspective), but I think it's a bad move to treat the fan base the way they are over securing some extra $$$. And I also don't think this move will sell X1 units like clockwork.
Nah, you're right, I'm exaggerating. But here in Australia there are certain retailers that aren't stocking Xbox Ones and are only selling the games, which they also did with Wii U, because of nonexistent sales. You are right though in that games still get made for discontinued consoles years afterward.
licktheenvelope
Member
Ya i'm frankly more upset Tomb Raider isn't coming on PC... it's a PC series...
CambriaRising
Member
Because I like the series and want them to continue making them? Why else? Square was disappointed with 3.4m units sold for the first one, and I have no reason to believe that their head has shifted position in their own ass.
perineumlick
Member
I swear you people see fanboys in every corner. Hell Blade may be the successor to Heavenly Sword, which was a PS exclusive, based on the look of the main character, so yeah there would be excitement from fans of that game.
The Antitype
Banned
Your whole argument is 'what about the fans that supported the game'.
I guess you don't/didn't give a shit about Sega Saturn owning Tomb Raider fans when Tomb Raider went exclusive? What about their money? What about their support?
Maybe, just maybe *gasp* business factors into these decisions more than the fee-fees of the people who happened to buy the game on one platform versus another.
Shocking, I know.
markedbravado
Member
The fact that the definitive edition was released on the PS4 earlier this year, as well as no exclusive talk when the game was shown at e3, makes the anger justifiable for those who were expecting the sequel. They have every right to be pissed.
Just imagine Sony getting a GTVI 6-month exclusive after the GTAV remaster showed up on Xbox One. It's bullshit.
CBOAT. Also all the press release on it (and talk from MS/CD reps) is worded very carefully, where they focus on it being "exclusive for this holiday season"...no one will come out and say it's a full exclusive. Which they would, if it was.
Did you see the responses in those threads? did you see anything like that in Hell blade thread or anywhere else?
I am not against Sony acquiring the exclusive rights or anything, but I don't get the hate MS gets when it secures some exclusives games from third party studios.
Those comparing this exclusivity announcement to Titanfall or Bloodbourne there is a difference between a new exclusive IP and a generally accepted multiplatform IP like Tomb Raider going exclusive so suddenly without even a PC release - keep in mind Titanfall has a huge PC community and Bloobourne is a spiritual successor to Demon Souls a PS3 exclusive.
The PS4 still has Uncharted 4 which I believe will be a great adventure game so this may be MS attempt to get a huge action/adventure franchise of their own.
I cannot understand how this is a good decision for Square. Even if MS payed them tons of $$$ there is no way that can equal the revenue they would have got from a multiplatform release across all consoles + PC.
The PS4 still has Uncharted 4 which I believe will be a great adventure game so this may be MS attempt to get a huge action/adventure franchise of their own.
I cannot understand how this is a good decision for Square. Even if MS payed them tons of $$$ there is no way that can equal the revenue they would have got from a multiplatform release across all consoles + PC.
3 million sold-through as of 12/31/13
5 million to retailers as of 4/17/14
311k sold-through in March 2014
So, best case scenario, like 10mil?
Are those sequels?
loaf of bread
Member
If its timed? Dumb but whatever. If its full exclusive as in never coming to PS4? F U MS.
markedbravado
Member
This nails it right on the head.
The Antitype
Banned
I've said I understand the disappointment, but not the anger.
The PS4 wasn't announced as a platform at E3, and then revoked at Gamescon. People made assumptions that didn't pan out.
It happens.
But the sense of entitlement that comes off in comments like 'how DARE they not deliver this game on my platform of choice, in my timeframe of choice' really isn't justified IMO.
SmoothBrain
Member
Why would they? The old concept obviously didn't work at all.
It's funny how they spin this around. But it doesn't really matter. If Uncharted gets released in the same time period, the timed exclusive deal with Microsoft makes sense. It wouldn't sell on PS4 that great at all. Maybe they use the time to polish the PS4 version...
Okay, thanks. So no harm done - why is this thread so long?
I never compared it to TR, but I compared it to the new IP like HellBlade or even Bloodborne.
Shinobi, CBOAT, and Andy McNamara (GameInformer editor-in-chief).
Oh and the MS press releases further indicate a timed exclusivity deal as opposed to a permanent exclusivity.
The Antitype
Banned
Because lots of people have thrown their hat in with Sony (for very understandable reasons), and any decision that does not immediately align with or benefit them is to be chastised.
Everybody is basically lining up to get their lashes in.
People are mad that a franchise with a history of hitting many platforms, typically at launch, is being brought into a walled garden, albeit for a small period of time.
I don't think there was this sort of outrage when Tomb Raider Underworld was getting 360-exclusive story DLC, because that made sense out of the gate; Microsoft funded the whole thing.
Earlier this morning, the new broke that it was full exclusive. Or rather, the wording was made so that everyone believed TR was 100% exclusive for life on X1. So of course, it blew up and people angry (and questioned MS's business methods). And then there were the typical console war people saying "it's salt, people are salty" blah blah. Just a bunch of back and forth.
Anyways, wasn't until hours later that CBOAT came in and said it was timed exclusive. The editor in chief for Game Informer also says he has sources saying it's timed. Thread already took off by that point. But people are still debating the ethics of companies sniping multiplat exclusivity away from other gamers.
ArchedThunder
Banned
It's a franchise closely associated with PlayStation that sells better on PlayStation. The anger is understandable. Luckily it seems like this is just a timed exlusive, I'll wait for the PS4 version in 2016.
Effigenius
Member
And then I'm assuming you saw GTA 5 and realized there were no system limitations to FF13. it was just bad design /poor coders.