Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)

TheLostBigBoss said:
Holy shit.

That must be a boat load of money to practically write off millions of possible customers during the fucking holidays for a console that is trailing by at least 5+ million.

Especially considering Square bitched about the game not performing to expectations when it came out at the END of a generation.

And lol at the "You have the other games, y u so mad?"
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also the PS4 might be at 30M units by 2015 Holidays, MS must have paid huge for this or SE made some dumb management decisions
 
lol This is hilarious. Only way Square did this is if Microsoft paid them an insane amount of money.

After the first game not selling that well across every platform, what the fuck do they expect this holiday season?

Guess Microsoft needs all they can get. Wonder how many consoles Tomb Raider would sell...
 
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The Antitype said:
That's exactly what they're doing. Microsoft is leveraging their advantage over Sony (they have a lot more money to throw around, because outside the PS4, Sony is not doing great financially), to try and combat Sony's advantage over them (tons of first party content), in addition to Sony's PR advantage.

As far as PR goes, Microsoft is doing everything they can. They've basically axed everything consumers didn't like. But it takes time to rebuild trust and brand value. One of the best ways to do it in the gaming industry, is offer more great games than the other guys, that you can only get there. Do it consistently enough, for long enough, feelings start to change. Take a look at Sony at the PS3 launch, to Sony when Last of Us released.

Now, the argument is there that Microsoft is taking a shortcut while Sony invested for the long haul. That's true. Hopefully Microsoft will start to reinvest in their own internal software. The people that axed most of their first party stuff and set the initial vision of the Xbox One are pretty much gone now. Phil Spencer, who a lot of people in the industry seem to have a good opinion of, seems to be trying to overhaul this whole clusterfuck. I hope that means we see a return to the kind of thing we saw in the initial J Allard days, when they were making deals with everybody from Oddworld to Double Fine to make new games for them.

Until then, they have to buy time but give consumers a reason to want an Xbox One over PS4. They have the money to spend on exclusives and timed exclusives, so why wouldn't a company try to leverage that as much as they can to increase the perceived value of their product?
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If the Xbox division have a lot of money, would it not be more practical to cut the price of the Xbone by 50-100€ and eat the loss, to undercut Sony? TR is not a big system seller, if at all.
 
Steroyd said:
From the same company that cried when they sold 3.4 million of the reboot to this sequel in a month, this is the most baffling decision I've ever seen.
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bigbaldwolf86 said:
This is the most insane part. Games are selling better on PS4, ot has a higher install base and yet this is Xbox exclusive. I can't fathom how this is possible. MS must have thrown so much cash at SE for this. I just don't know what to say. I'm genuinly shocked and disappointed at SE. Tomb Raider has been on PS platforms since the beginning and now they say 'oh well you have the osiris game'. Fuck that
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I think there are a lot of gamers out there that underestimate how much more attractive guaranteed, up-front cash can be to projected sales figures.

One lets you invest in the future immediately, or covers the cost of the present. The other is a hope that you don't go into debt if a game you put 18 months to 2 years into doesn't perform as well as expected (RIP THQ and go knows how many other companies that banked on future returns).
 
Nemesis121 said:
I am really shocked by the outrage for Tomb Raider Xclusive when the majority of GaF hated the 2013 version and called it a cheap Uncharted rip off.
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Were people really saying that after playing both I wonder? Because I for one thought Tomb Raider (aside from story) was better than Uncharted. I'm pretty sure there was actually a thread about it and a lot of people agreed.
 
Speedy Blue Dude said:
I don't know about that. In a sense it's Microsoft being committed to their product that I spent $499 on. It's rewarding us by offering exclusives that add value to our purchase. Why did we buy an Xbox One over a PS4? For the exclusive games and features it has. This just adds on to the list of why it's "better" to buy an Xbox One over a PS4.

Then again, I'm being reasonable and not a cynic over common industry practices. I'm not treating this any differently than I treated No Man's Sky, Fez, DayZ, and Destiny's exclusive content.

I'm upset at Bungie, sure, but I'm not going to complain about it and try to tarnish their reputation, and make loose threats about how "I and no one else will buy your game!".

I sincerely feel some of you guys are being ridiculous right now.
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By moneyhatting a previously multiplatform game into timed exclusivity? Please tell me how that does anything but fuck over everyone else. That is 100% different from No Man's Sky, Fez, or DayZ.

It's desperation, they did it with Titanfall and it didn't help then, it's not going to do anything this time around.
 
Kenak said:
Your point was that it is scummy and hurts gamers. A group does not have to be a majority to be hurt by exclusivity. Had Tomb Raider sold 1MM more units on XBOX would you feel differently? I don't think it would diminish the point of it hurting gamers.
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I wasn't saying that Sony (with the majority) could turn around and do the same thing, since they have the majority share of the fan base. It would still be scummy, because it's shutting out other fans (even if they aren't the majority on X1/360).

But I still think CD made a bad move, because this is going to impact the overall fan base in a very negative way (which is why I said it hurts gamers). If it was the other way around (and the majority was still getting it), I would still argue it would hurt their reputation, because a % of fans are being shut out..and it's hurting them too.

The issue here isn't the majority or minority, it's just fans in general to an already established franchise being shut out. I only bring up the majority here, because it IS a reality to this deal.
 
Kagari said:
I just think it's hilarious after they complained about the first one failing to live up to expectations on three established platforms.
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The paycheck must have been quite substantial then, and so this may have been a less risky approach for them because MS' money is guaranteed, but sales money is uncertain.

Not trying to rationalize their move, but I just think for SE (from a business perspective), this may have been a smarter decision than many of us may give them credit for.
 
jediyoshi said:
Because you're removing context and comparing a new IP to an existing franchise.
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You should read some of the other posts that I have posted before jumping to the conclusion.

The point that I am trying to bring is not related to MS's TR deal but the overall perception of Microsoft's third party buyouts.
 
Amir0x said:
Seems there is some mixed messages, but it seems clear it's timed.

I am hoping it's permanent though. I think it'd kill the franchise's growth in its tracks and hopefully permanently put away the new shitty formulation of Tomb Raider once and for all. I am crossing the fuck out of my fingers right now. They literally could not have picked a more perfect game in my mind to snatch - a sequel to the horrific original bastardization of the franchise, one I loathed with all my heart for destroying a series that was still a true original in the industry and remained so since few if any games play like it even today. This 'me-too', check-list by design series couldn't be worse, and so since they decided to destroy a franchise I love, I want nothing more than to sit back and watch it deconstruct :D
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This sentence...is a very good sentence.
 
I'm trying to read everything and figure out what is going on but I would like Microsoft to stop it with these stupid marketing phrases and speak in clear english. It seems Sony went to great pains to be clear on what was "timed, first to console, and exclusive" at Gamescom. I wish Microsoft would have done the same.
 
Zoned said:
The fact that third party buyouts from MS are considered "dick move", and get strong hatred while Sony gets away with it
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This buyout is a dick move, I'm sure most are arguing about this dick move, not other things that could or could not be dick moves.
 
Askherserenity said:
lol This is hilarious. Only way Square did this is if Microsoft paid them an insane amount of money.

After the first game not selling that well across every platform, what the fuck do they expect this holiday season?

Guess Microsoft needs all they can get. Wonder how many consoles Tomb Raider would sell...
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I think it did sell well...its just that the budget was crazy
 
x-Lundz-x said:
A lot of people are, but this is what you should read into everything.

The wording they have used is exclusive to Xbox, Holiday 2015. At no point has anyone from MS or CD/SE said specifically that the game is never coming out on Playstation platforms. They have stated that it's exclusive for Xbox, Holiday 2015 and will not comment further.

CBOAT, Shinobi etc... both have said it's timed exclusive. The mods have contact with them and vet them, so they are to be trusted.

Basically, it's going to be released on Xbox first and other platforms later. Probably 6 months or so. MS just has a contract with CD / SE so they are locked down on what they can say about it. They are trying to make it sound like it's a full Xbox exclusive and never coming out for other platforms when that is not the case.
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I like your summary.
 
The Antitype said:
This isn't even a sentence in English, so I can't help you until you clear up what you're trying to say/ask.
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I'm simply asked what you are saying here..

Nobody was assuming what you felt at that point. We were responding to the fact that when you were presented with evidence that the exact same scenario had happened in the past, with different consoles, your response was to basically belittle the importance of the Saturn and it's users.
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Who did I belittle? Did I say Saturn fans are irrelevant? I had to take some time actually to take a look at when Tomb Raider debuted on the Saturn and the PS and only saw they were released simultaneously. I didn't see anything about Sony deliberately taking the franchise away but if they did, it still messed up to the fanbase that started it. Besides, you aren't going to sit here and tell me I'm belittling anything when you are straight belittling the entire fanbase by calling it fanboy BS and dragging two new IPs that have no weight at this point. Please.....



If you believe it's scummy regardless of the when and the who, then I can respect that. Personally, I'm on the other side. I think it's fine, regardless of the when and the who. Eidos and Core basically made themselves into powerhouses by devoting all their energy to the PSX and PC versions of Tomb Raider 2.

Granted, Core was a shitty developer coasting on a great idea/look, and that ultimately bit them in the ass, but the business decision was a sound one.



Why? Can you point out a timed exclusive that suffered terribly for having released on one platform before another?
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It's not ok for me because then what is your role as third party then? It is to play favorites only when money is involved? I understand the lines have been blurred for years where they stand but how long are we simply going to say it's ok? It's not ok. First parties and collaboration with third party studios should be the only ok thing you can and should do. I wasn't mad when GTA was on Xbox. More people get to play it. This is not the case.

This is the exact opposite and even if Sony did it back then, that shit does not fly with me today. Times exclusive for content, I can deal with. Time exclusives for new IPs I can deal with. Exclusive for huge recognizable (established for years) franchises by making it on one platform, that's not even a side story but the full sequel? Nah, that's foul.

I know it's timed now, but im ok with it being timed. I certainly was not ok with it being a full exclusive.
 
My biggest gripe is that this was being built as a title that would release on all consoles and exclusivity was purchased to stop that from happening at launch.

I have no problem with exclusives that start out that way... Sunset Overdrive, Bloodborne, etc. But to have something shown at E3 (and I believe announced for multiple consoles/PC) and then at the very next big show have that changed doesn't feel great.
 
Temujen said:
Could all of you please stop calling this a timed exclusive until this has been confirmed?

If it actually was only timed, don't you think Sony would have said something like "Oh, and by the way... Rise of the Tomb Raider will be on PS4 summer 2016!" at their Gamescom press conference?

There's no way Sony would not have done that just to spite Microsoft.
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Do you remember how much steam Hello Games got when it seemed Joe Danger 2 was exclusive to X360? They couldn't say a word about the PS3 version, and had to sit there while the internet raged a them.

If it's timed, nobody involved will be able to say so.
 
Yukiko said:
I wasn't saying that Sony (with the majority) could turn around and do the same thing, since they have the majority share of the fan base. It would still be scummy, because it's shutting out other fans (even if they aren't the majority on X1/360).

But I still think CD made a bad move, because this is going to impact the overall fan base in a very negative way (which is why I said it hurts gamers). If it was the other way around (and the majority was still getting it), I would still argue it would hurt their reputation, because a % of fans are being shut out..and it's hurting them too.

The issue here isn't the majority or minority, it's just fans in general to an already established franchise being shut out. I only bring up the majority here, because it IS a reality to this deal.
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Yeah, this was basically what I was getting at. We pretty much agree with one another then.
 
Zones said:
The paycheck must have been quite substantial then, and so this may have been a less risky approach for them because MS' money is guaranteed, but sales money is uncertain.

Not trying to rationalize their move, but I just think for SE (from a business perspective), this may have been a smarter decision than many of us may give them credit for.
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The way I imagine it is, their CEO saw a bunch of quick money without looking at the long term. A lot like their push to make Puzzle and Dragon clones lately.
 
Foffy said:
This hatred will only make your heart colder, friend. ;_;
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They started it. They could have made some game like what they did and gave it a different title. Instead, they had no problem destroying literally every element that made the series any good and replacing it with abject shit. So I have no problem returning in kind my seething hatred :D

Bob White said:
This sentence...is a very good sentence.
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No it's not, it's a shit sentence. That's why it's a forum post and not a submission of importance!
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
If the Xbox division have a lot of money, would it not be more practical to cut the price of the Xbone by 50-100€ and eat the loss, to undercut Sony? TR is not a big system seller, if at all.
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Honestly, we may see them try that. The Xbox Division is in a massive transition right now as the architects of the last several years have left, and the new guys are starting to take over and change the ship's heading.

If this is, in fact, the direction they're heading in the short term, I'd be surprised if Tomb Raider is the last moderate-to-major 2015 release we heard a major exclusivity announcement for. If it is, then the whole department is clearly a clusterfuck that can't settle on a direction/strategy. Half-assing it with one mid-level exclusive obviously isn't going to get the job done.
 
Amir0x said:
Seems there is some mixed messages, but it seems clear it's timed.

I am hoping it's permanent though. I think it'd kill the franchise's growth in its tracks and hopefully permanently put away the new shitty formulation of Tomb Raider once and for all. I am crossing the fuck out of my fingers right now. They literally could not have picked a more perfect game in my mind to snatch - a sequel to the horrific original bastardization of the franchise, one I loathed with all my heart for destroying a series that was still a true original in the industry and remained so since few if any games play like it even today. This 'me-too', check-list by design series couldn't be worse, and so since they decided to destroy a franchise I love, I want nothing more than to sit back and watch it deconstruct :D
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Good for you, but some people like the direction TR has taken, and it would be better if you stop pissing at the game in this thread considering the fact you don't even care about it in the first place.
 
Zoned said:
The fact that third party buyouts from MS are considered "dick move", and get strong hatred while Sony gets away with it
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What gets my goat is that Microsoft could surely put this money into the establishment and production of more IPs for their brand? How long are Halo, Forza, and Fable going to be pillars?
 
Kagari said:
SE is the master of great management lately.
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If they weren't offered an obscene amount of money I really hope some of them, likely Eidos side, were just on really good terms with Microsoft. It'd still be stupid, but at least there's the politics angle rather than JUST sheer stupidity and being blind to your own damn base.
El Chupacabra said:
That's a pretty broad definition of lately.
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More and more I think they really are fundamentally a smaller company (or smaller companies) that got far bigger than they had any right to be and can't really handle that correctly. Enix would mainly reign in Japan, Squaresoft would've been a mid tier JRPG developer that could probably survive mostly safely from that, and Eidos was a mid tier western publisher doomed to be eaten up as everyone got grossly huge around them and they couldn't keep up.
 
darkwing said:
also the PS4 might be at 30M units by 2015 Holidays, MS must have paid huge for this or SE made some dumb management decisions
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If MS paid SE for exclusivity and the price tag was anywhere less than $180,000,000 (3 million copies on ps4 assumed) then holy crap SE, bad call.

I thought devs learned from Titanfall already....
 
Aren't people annoyed by this move? Doesn't it further tarnish MS reputation? I'd say the negativity they will receive from this would offset some of the positives of having this game as an exclusive. I didn't enjoy the newest TR very much but I would have been interested in seeing how the sequel improved upon the ideas. Now I'll just have to skip it. MS would do well to invest their buckets of cash in new ideas.
 
Money hatting publishers into releasing their multi platform ip's on one single system has to stop. Doesn't mater who does it. Its like taking a big fat shit on top of your fan base. Specially a franchise that has been going for nearly 20 years. Its like releasing the next mario or zelda on something thats not nintendo, just because they got a shitload of money for it.

To bad all these contracts are secret and we will never know how much money was paid and what not. That would be hilarious.
 
I understand the decision to put Rise of Tomb Raider out exclusively on xbox in holiday 2015. They want to avoid going head to head with Uncharted 4 if It launches in holiday season 2015 which they are probably assuming it will. Why not take the money Microsoft gives them and hopefully it'll do decent on PS4 when or if it launches their. Now not launching on PC at the same time as Xbox is dumb. It makes no sense but, I guess Microsoft needs the exclusive games. I just hope it does not hurt the Tomb Raider franchise.
 
Hoho for breakfast said:
Were people really saying that after playing both I wonder? Because I for one thought Tomb Raider (aside from story) was better than Uncharted. I'm pretty sure there was actually a thread about it and a lot of people agreed.
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Yeah. I'm in that boat. To my surprise, Tomb Raider was my favorite game the year of release. I'm pissed because I planned on getting a PS4. I'm also pissed in general at the world of gaming because I hate exclusives in general. This shit is a step in the wrong direction for the sake of competition, and it fucks the consumers.
 
Zoned said:
The fact that third party buyouts from MS are considered "dick move", and get strong hatred while Sony gets away with it
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10 million ps4s vs <5 xbone of course there will be more complaining when a game is exclusive to xbone. We outnumber them 2:1.


Fuck Microsoft
 
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