Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Walmart

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The police have footage from all 120 cameras in the store. They will release footage once the investigation is over. Youtube link above from today's news broadcast covering story.

Yeah, saw that after the post and I still think that's bull shit but w/e, guess shit can't be done about that!

Still want to hear other witnesses reports. ALL I see is see from this couple of chuckle-fucks, his GF and ... that's it. Do we even have a statement from the cops on how the flying fuck they justify their actions or do they need some time to view the footage and come up with a way to spin this shit like with the Brown Shooting?
 
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THIS.

Sooooo apparently he wasn't doing ENUFF shit to cause more than this ... couple ... to be afraid. No Wall Mart customers running to Wall Mart employees saying "THAT MAN'S THREATENING ME AND MY CHILDREN WITH A GUUUUN!!!!", not MASS commotion, only people that cared enuff are these 2 people ... who stalked him around the store cause because they believe they're the heroes Wall Mart deserve and not the employees who WORK there. (I mean FOR FUCKS SAKE, if you're afraid of the guy holding a gun in a place that sells toy guns and air guns and gun guns then maybe you might wanna tell a person who works they to check it out. I'm pretty sure a worker telling him "Oh, hey sir! I know you purchased this here buuuut Some of our customers have complained about it. Can you put it away?" would have saved 2 people's lives here ...)

Cops come in, probly shocked the shit outta the guy cause you likely wouldn't expect drawn guns on you outta no where. Tells them it's fake and they waste no time killing him cause fuck using logic ... and them killing him gives a white woman a heart attack and SHE dies.

And ... all of this happened in a Wall Mart?
Why are we even talking about wut the couple say they did or wut happened? Where's the footage to show wut happened? Where are the OTHER eye witness?

I'm actually asking, this thread is 20 pages long and I read the first 3 and skipped to here. Is their footage?

Dude, learn to spell. This is embarrassing.
 
Dude, learn to spell. This is embarrassing.

Well fuck, I'm sorry if me hulking out a post in frustration and outrage caused me to throw caution to the wind in regards to checking my spelling.

I will be sure to thoroughly look over every enraged post I make going forward so that I don't hurt your delicate lil eyeballs.

Thanks for ignoring the topic to point out some shit that has nothing to do with it! Real helpful :D
 
You cherry picked a post from a random thread of little relevance and applied it to your own personal narrative which I've already stated to others that I'm not suggesting.

That's pretty awful.

Not as awful as your post.
You even managed to paint the woman's death as caused by her panicking over the victim's BB gun. Bravo. Even the police callers who used all those racial code words didn't hint at that.
 
Not as awful as your post.
You even managed to paint the woman's death as caused by her panicking over the victim's BB gun. Bravo. Even the police callers who used all those racial code words didn't hint at that.

Maybe you should read.
 
Maybe you should read.

Read the part where your timeline has her fleeing before the police get to him and start shooting? I did that.
 
You didn't read the opening part of that post or any of the posts following that then.

I get that some of that is speculation. It's just that the directions your assumptions are going in are troubling and say things about you. Ugly things.
And using the wording you did really makes it hard to give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
I get that some of that is speculation. It's just that the directions your assumptions are going in are troubling and say things about you. Ugly things.

No, it actually doesn't. Maybe you should send me a message and enlighten me instead of further derailing the thread.
 
America needs a police reform.
American officers are clearly not well trained and there for a danger to society.
Inapt officers combined with a country full of guns... no good mix.
Almost daily kilings of innocents by the police can't be declared as isolated incidents.

When you police force begins to looks like this :

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You may be allowed to suppose there is a problem in your democracy.

https://www.aclu.org/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-policing
 
Are any of the details in this video new? The guy claims the man was pointing and waving the gun at people when they looked at him. I just don't understand why they shot him on the spot like that, I wish we had the vids already and we could get a better understanding. It's bs when you see people walking w guns in Wal-Mart and than you see this happen. Crazy bs.
 

Let's be clear here.

If it comes out that he lied about the details that led to the police coming down, he's indirectly responsible for the death of two people.

He was either telling the truth, exaggerating the circumstances, or outright lying. The fact that he continues to go to the press makes me think it's the middle option.
 
Let's be clear here.

If it comes out that he lied about the details that led to the police coming down, he's indirectly responsible for the death of two people.

He was either telling the truth, exaggerating the circumstances, or outright lying. The fact that he continues to go to the press makes me think it's the middle option.

Indirectly? He'll be indicted for involuntary manslaughter or something like that IIRC.

So now if he indeed exaggerated the circumstance, he has no reason to tell the truth, unless police know via Walmart camera footage and question him and his wife.
 
Indirectly? He'll be indicted for involuntary manslaughter or something like that IIRC.

So now if he indeed exaggerated the circumstance, he has no reason to tell the truth, unless police know via Walmart camera footage and question him and his wife.

Eh, by indirectly I mean he didn't commit the act himself. He definitely caused the situation that ended in Crawford's death, though. The guy essentially got SWATted and it ended in the worst possible scenario for the police (and the caller, if we want to be honest).

I feel like the police are sitting on it trying to weigh their options with the family before they handle anything with this guy. If they go after him, it adds more weight to the family's eventual lawsuit against, well, everybody.
 
What I completely fail to understand is WHY the US Government thinks it's okay to militarise their police force. It's insane and truly shows how "defence" companies make use of legalised bribing of officials ("lobbying"). Tax payer money used to intimidate the tax payer.

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America scares me sometimes.

Only sometimes? I already fear for the future as it's evident that the militarization of the police force is increasing.

If things ever calmed down in the middle east and there are currently no more enemies left to fight I'm certain that the U.S will create a new threat.

Man, maybe I'm being a bit melancholic, but I just predict this dark, bleak future where the people just finally have enough with the murders, cover-ups, prosecution of innocents and the government is organized enough to wage war on their own people en masse in order to keep control.

If you got NSA and secret courts you could easily implicate anyone without ever having to provide evidence. Just claim NSA picked up on something, release some fake photo to the press of this secret information, label the individual a terrorist and make them disappear.

Only time will tell - let's hope I'm wrong.

*tinfoilhat on*
 
Let's be clear here.

If it comes out that he lied about the details that led to the police coming down, he's indirectly responsible for the death of two people.

He was either telling the truth, exaggerating the circumstances, or outright lying. The fact that he continues to go to the press makes me think it's the middle option.

I think he is simply lying.

Soo ... story round up!?!
GF on phone says she heard him suddenly say "IT'S NOT REAL!" before gunfire and "PUT IT DOWN!".

Wife of this dick head says that the cops told him to put it down, he TURNS AROUND (to face them) and then he gets shot because he didn't put it down.

Guy says nothing about him turning around (also, there's 4 cops now? Thought there were just 2) ... but says he waves the gun at the cops after he was told to drop it, cops fire and in his last moments on this earth he struggles to "maybe grab the gun?" after dropping it.

Maaaaaan .... where are the other people? Why are these 3 the only sides I can find? Why?


And yes, I agree that the cops are trying to be careful in how they handle this. Cause once they start calling this guy out on his shit or charging him and his wife with shit (or showing the tapes of wut really happened) the families gonna have a ton more pull in bending everyone over (everyone from this couple to the Cops .. but not Walmart I guess ... I mean, it's not like anyone asked a Walmart employee to do anything in this event and I'm not sure how they could be at fault if cops just ran in there and shit)
 
I really want to see the video up until the actual shooting to see what transpired. I hope someone bumps the thread when videos or more news comes out.
 
Thread bump

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/...e-leaned-on-toy-gun-in-walmart-attorney-says/

Surveillance video shows an Ohio man talking on a cell phone, leaning on a toy gun, and facing away from officers moments before police shot and killed him in a Walmart store, according to an attorney for the man’s family.

John Crawford III died Aug. 5 after police were called to Walmart in Beavercreek, near Dayton, by another shopper who reported a man carrying what appeared to be an AR-15 rifle.

The 22-year-old Crawford was instead carrying an unpackaged MK-177 (.177 caliber) BB/pellet rifle he picked up in the store’s toy department.


Police claim Crawford ignored their commands to drop the weapon, and the former Marine who called in the report and witnessed the shooting said Crawford “looked like he was going to go violently.”

But attorney Michael Wright said surveillance video from the incident, which Ohio’s attorney general allowed him to watch with Crawford’s family, contradicted those accounts.

“John was doing nothing wrong in Walmart, nothing more, nothing less than shopping,” Wright said.

The attorney said surveillance video showed Crawford facing away from officers, talking on the phone, and leaning on the pellet gun like a cane when he was “shot on sight” in a “militaristic” response by police.

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine announced Tuesday handed the case over to a special prosecutor to present to a grand jury Sept. 22.

Piepmeier, an assistant Hamilton County, Ohio, prosecutor, has handled more than 100 officer-involved shooting cases in his career.

He oversaw the grand jury investigation of Stephen Roach, who was indicted but later acquitted of a negligent homicide charge in the fatal 2001 shooting of 19-year-old Timothy Thomas that sparked race riots in Cincinnati.

DeWine said Tuesday he was glad he had allowed Crawford’s family to view the surveillance video, but he did not plan to publicly release the video to avoid tainting the jury pool.

“I thought the family had the right to view it,” DeWine said. “The mom did not want to view it; I understand it. The dad did view it, (but) to put the video out on TV is not the right thing to do.”

Wright said the family objected to the piecemeal release of evidence, such as dispatch audio and video on the day of the shooting, was biased toward the police.

“Everything released is one-sided,” Wright said. “There is nothing favorable to John Crawford. You can’t show different pieces, show it all, don’t trickle pieces to gain favor of the public.”

He said the video suggests Crawford probably did not see or hear officers as they arrived.

Crawford was speaking by cell phone to his girlfriend, who was with his parents, when he was shot.

“He said he was at the video games playing videos, and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were,” said LeeCee Johnson, the mother of his two children. “The next thing I know, he said, ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting, and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him.”

Johnson put the phone on speaker mode, and she and Crawford’s parents heard him die.

“I could hear him just crying and screaming,” Johnson said. “I feel like they shot him down like he was not even human.”

A 37-year-old woman at the store suffered an unspecified medical emergency after the shooting and died a short time later.

Sgt. David Darkow, one of the officers involved in the shooting, has already been allowed to resume his duties.

The other officer, Sean Williams, remains on administrative leave.

Wright called on DeWine to turn over the case to the U.S. Department of Justice.

Watch this video report posted online by WDTN-TV:



So basically the couple killed 2 people
 
Oh SHIT, there's video? The family and lawyer saw it? DeWine handed it over to a special prosecutor?

Charges are coming then. That's about as open and shut as it gets. Ignore the part about the cop being allowed back to duty, AGs don't control that. If they're taking it to a grand jury and he's specially assigning people, he wants blood.
 
Police claim Crawford ignored their commands to drop the weapon, and the former Marine who called in the report and witnessed the shooting said Crawford “looked like he was going to go violently.”

Seems like this guy is a whole heap of trouble for lying about what really happened.
 
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