Kazuma Kiryu
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The internet will collapse.
Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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Trickster
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Could someone explain to me why tomb raider being a (timed) exclusive is somehow such a big deal? I mean I know third party games normally aren't console exclusive anymore. But the amount of rage and butthurt on display in here seems quite ridiculous to me. Feels like people just feel entitled to have the game on their console of choice due to the game being third party rather than first party?
markedbravado
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And that was bullshit too but at least there was a legit issue with resources since porting the games between consoles was a hassle. Not this gen. It shouldn't take much to have these 3rd party games on all platforms. Architecture is basically the same.
The Antitype
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I think the more likely scenario is that Square Enix just doesn't see enough value in the Tomb Raider franchise so they were willing to take the money for development and probably let Microsoft handle all the marketing. These are Japanese businessmen making choices for western developers.
Nathan_Drake
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lol. so true
The Antitype
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Ha, that would be hilarious. And people would have even less reason to be angry.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
67,000 followers doesn't mean it's been posted, sorry for the repost though.
DangerMouse
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Burn victims? Console warriors?
How about people who don't own an Xbox One but have been buying Tomb Raider on PC or PS for the past 18 years? It has a lot of casual fans as well, people who dont wish to own every console.
Or maybe people who wanted a version without compromises. Granted its too early to judge but looking at alot of the games released so far on XBO....
No, they're deceiving us (assuming it is a timed exclusive). They are being asked whether the game is a timed exclusive, and answering in such a way as to make the listener/reader believe that it is not a timed exclusive. They are intentionally attempting to make you believe something that is not true.
I'll agree that in the strictest sense they are not technically LYING, though. (Though I would also not argue with someone saying that this makes the strictest sense of "lying" a needlessly strict definition).
If MS ponies up the cash for a full FF7 remake, they deserve to get the game.
It wasn't outselling Xbox 360 in UK, but it was doing much better in most other parts of Europe in very short order. Now, Xbox One is getting decimated in the UK with no chance of Microsoft making a comeback there, it's getting beat down in the US and everywhere else.
Also Re: Japan. Those lost sales are being made up by the infinitely better performance by PS4 every where else. It'll mean the PS4 is likely to close out at a number fairly close to where PS3 will. But Xbox One will never come close to the 360 number.
They just lost a fair chunk of money in the Xbox Division in their last quarterly announcement. Every insider indication we have is that Microsoft is now deadly serious the Xbox business needs to start becoming profitable. It matters.
That said, there will be another Xbox. But it does matter if the performance remains poor. And the "just wait for the next miracle game around the corner" just sounds like the desperate Nintendo fanboys for Wii U. We have to be realistic. It is almost never one game that changes everything. It's usually a combination of factors. Sadly for Microsoft, right now they're all in Sony's direction.
Anyway, we're getting way off topic from the Tomb Raider discussion, so that's my last word on this score.
*bow*...
seriously - if i'd know ahead of time that ms was gonna dick with a third-party game, this's the one i would've hoped for. very hard for me, personally, to care (tho i still think se's decision was pretty shameful, & will only end up hurting them in the eyes of many fans long term). anyway, great post...
I mean I don't care one way or the other, I'll eventually have an XBO. But this is the one third party exclusive which I would have actively wished for it to happen, if I were clever enough to have thought of it before. This is so awesome.
Tomb Raider is heavily associated with PS and PC, people continue to forget the PC fanbase, every TR is on PC and the game sells the most in Europe, where there a lot of PC players.
The game is already a PR nightmare, I really don't understand what was S-E thinking. It was probably a decision made by the Japanese branch, which just shows how incompetent they are (let's sacrifice one of our most important IP, yes they are going to get immediate cash but in the long run the brand will be damaged and it will sell less than the previous game). Japanese companies are completely clueless about the market outside Japan (only Namco is doing great).
Leatherworkstation
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No other version to compare it to at the time.
Psycho_Mantis
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1) The game is hitting PS4/PC late. It definitely won't have the impact if it was there day 1. So straight away SE are loosing sales.
2) They have pissed off 70+% of their fan base. Again only SE would do such a stupid thing.
3) I'm glad SE is only thinking of the short term. Sounds just like them. Forget how this could effect the franchise in the future.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I'm willing to bet on it easily. It doesn't take much to see it's already over. We've had this conversation a thousand times on GAF already. PS3 was a global seller that's the only reason it clawed back.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Why do people say they wouldn't buy it on xbone because it will be the inferior version if it's timed exclusive, but then tons of people gladly went out and bought inferior PS2 versions back in the day when the better version was available on Xbox. Why is it ok to do so when it suits you but not when it doesn't?
Also, if Square Enix shopped around and Microsoft picked it up, what is the problem then? Was Microsoft supposed to say no? Nobody knows how the deal happened, but no matter how it did doesn't matter. But it's an exclusivity deal like many others out there.
Also, if Square Enix shopped around and Microsoft picked it up, what is the problem then? Was Microsoft supposed to say no? Nobody knows how the deal happened, but no matter how it did doesn't matter. But it's an exclusivity deal like many others out there.
The Antitype
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DOWN
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If that's how you want to be perceived now, you shouldn't post crap like this first and then act like you were just giving unbiased history lessons:
Wut? You know that is a parody account right?
QuantumZebra
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I would probably lock myself in my room and weep for a week, or a year
The Antitype
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....This is not the real Kaz Hirai's twitter.
DangerMouse
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He's not real Kaz...
Trickster
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Uuuuh, you do know that's a parody account...right? right?
GitarooMan
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Yeah, I know, how do you come back from such an insult.
EDIT: Damn, you should have played along...
DOWN
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lol. so true
Shouldn't it be Fall of the Tomb Raider?
Andronicus
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protomouse
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Wasn't aware that Sony showed it as well. It just didn't strike me as the kind of deal that would have been able to go through in the short time between E3 and Gamescom.
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Anyway, a timed exclusive is still a timed exclusive and equally questionable regardless of who does it or what the history of the franchise looks like. In the end, both Sony and Microsoft are paying money to keep games off of competing platforms. That's all there is to it.
Amidst all of this madness, I'm actually happy to have gone back to being primarily a Nintendo gamer. I think Wii U GAFers are aware that 3rd party games for the system are going to be far more of an exception than a norm going forward. So, for me, whatever odd announcement comes to pass will serve as a pleasant surprise. PS4 owners will still be getting RotT, if GAF's sources are correct. If not, there's always Uncharted. I see very little reason to be upset
.lol you know it's a joke account, right?
Well, the console versions do have downgrades. Every version has. In fact, many would argue the linearity of the last Hitman game was because of it also being planned for consoles. You were the one arguing for wanting a version that performed better on the stronger platform. You're the one who opened that box, because there is one platform that would perform better than the PS4 with the game, the one just so happens is the only one to have all 5 main Hitman games.
Maybe it came off as if I was trumpeting a platform like a flag which I'm not, but you were the one trumpeting power and you didn't want a "weaker" experience. Nothing I said is wrong in that context. You want to play the game on a stronger platform? PS4 is not your final answer with Hitman 6.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
In what world is 700k total units difference (coupled with a higher attach rate for software, 3.2 vs 2.7) getting 'trounced'?
I can tell there's a lot of emotions being tossed around in this thread, but let's at least try to keep reality in mind
Game has been multiplat since 1996. Every single one. 1,2 ,3 ,4 5, aod, legend, anniversary, underworld, 2013 and guardian of light.
Game was announced at e3 - and although people say there was no mention of platforms, everyone assumed it was multiplat. Becauze if it was xbone exclusive that day you can be damn sure microsoft would let people know about it. So im assuming this exclusitivity is recent.
So yeah its a bit of a shock to people to have a franchise they loved which has always been on multiple platforms for almost 2 decadws suddenly snatched away like that by a console and company which hasnt been too popular recently.
I guess in this specific case, TR has always done better in Europe.
Hoho for breakfast
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It's a lousy precedent (with it being a AAA 3rd party game and all) and a slap in the face from SE to PS/PC players. Basically if I feel spit on I spit back type of thing. The game was already announced and assumed to be coming for all platforms just as it always has.
Also while I'm quite sure it will be timed, we don't know that as fact at this point. Them being so ambiguous about it is just fueling the fire.
edit: there's also the whole "Hey you can play this amazing game...for $460 if you dont already own an Xbox One All In One Entertainment System"!
No fucking thank you. Shitty move from both SE and MS.
Chie Satonaka
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...Huh.
I didn't see that coming. Interesting approach, but I guess that's the way the game is played in the current gen climate.
I don't think Rise of the Tomb Raider is going to move Xbox One's, though.
I didn't see that coming. Interesting approach, but I guess that's the way the game is played in the current gen climate.
I don't think Rise of the Tomb Raider is going to move Xbox One's, though.
massivekettle
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Couldn't have said it better.
This thread should be renamed "Overreaction by Sony/PS4 owners/fans".
It seems that it's a big deal because "yet another Microsoft moneyhat."
Where I grew up, that's called a business decision/capitalism. Again, had the roles been reversed, I am sure this thread would have not made it past single-digit number of pages.
It's almost like you're suggesting SE is bad at managing schedules and finances and there's nothing in the history of Final Fantasy to suggest that.
The vitriol here is petty embarrassing. Sony have a rich history of hoarding exclusives (PES,FF,Tekken,RidgeRacer) and I don't doubt it will happen again once the war chest accumulates so some people need to clamber down off of their high horses.
I think maybe people are shocked cause a genuine megaton hasn't happened in a while. Either way, PS4 owners will have Uncharted4 to play during that particular holiday, so that's something.
MS are looking for an edge and I can see them trying to Hoover-up more exclusives. It's going to upset the "2:1" crowd but that's what competition looks like.
I think maybe people are shocked cause a genuine megaton hasn't happened in a while. Either way, PS4 owners will have Uncharted4 to play during that particular holiday, so that's something.
MS are looking for an edge and I can see them trying to Hoover-up more exclusives. It's going to upset the "2:1" crowd but that's what competition looks like.
In the world that exists outside of the US. And those attach rates, where did you get those?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Well, I meant in terms of the hardware itself.
But yea, I was only looking at N.A. Can't vouch for Europe.
I can see why MS made this offer... though I'm not clear enough on the terms as to why SQEX accepted. Must have been a big one though!
Seems there is some mixed messages, but it seems clear it's timed.
I am hoping it's permanent though. I think it'd kill the franchise's growth in its tracks and hopefully permanently put away the new shitty formulation of Tomb Raider once and for all. I am crossing the fuck out of my fingers right now. They literally could not have picked a more perfect game in my mind to snatch - a sequel to the horrific original bastardization of the franchise, one I loathed with all my heart for destroying a series that was still a true original in the industry and remained so since few if any games play like it even today. This 'me-too', check-list by design series couldn't be worse, and so since they decided to destroy a franchise I love, I want nothing more than to sit back and watch it deconstruct
If Tomb Raider will become permanent exclusive, if it fails saleswise, we will see Lara as a endless-runner again, lets not kid ourselves.