Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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I do understand MS paying SE money for this, which is obviously to compete with Uncharted 4.
All the discussions about exclusitiviity and graphics aside, maybe a positive note is that MS money will help CD make a better TR game since SE is bleeding money already!
All the discussions about exclusitiviity and graphics aside, maybe a positive note is that MS money will help CD make a better TR game since SE is bleeding money already!
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
This...is some fucking weird shit. Timed exclusive or permanent, MS paying for this seems a bit odd, even if it is an attempt to counter Uncharted 4.
DOWN
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Because it gets a strong yank as far as exclusives go. Grabbing a game that's predecessor sold 2:1 on a competing system is a good move. Better option than many other franchises.
Unless SE are going by the logic of let's take MS money and XBOne sales. PS4 and PC fans will still buy the game when it's released later. If you look at it this way it's kind of a win, win for them.
Katze mit Hut
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Although i agree with you on buying games being cheesy, i don´t think a first party game only costs $20-33 million.
How so? MS Presents: Tomb Raider, now with actual tombs!
There were plenty of ways to modernize the formula without destroying everything that made it appealing. That said, the old games had great gameplay focused around deliberate controls which, while they had a learning curve, did not inhibit in any way the superiority of the titles level design, puzzle design and exploration. The new TR is a pale shadow of what the original was.
By the way, "OG" just means original.
They could have chose to give it a different name and put it out, and nobody would have cared. Would have been the same as a 1000 other games released last gen. in TR OG, we lost a series that has no other peers in the industry and which no other game plays like it.
I act that way because I love what Tomb Raider actually is. RE fans act that way for the same reason. And I'm not against modernization whatsoever. It's just that what replaces it has to be better that what came before, or at least equally good in a different fashion. Instead, we got an insult to gamers everywhere. No challenge, no platforming skill required, laughably easy puzzles, no exploration worthy of any merit.
Anyway, we're just going in circles. Everyone will act how they want. I shared how I feel, and I'm super happy right now
StrongBlackVine
Banned
It always sells more on PlayStation platforms and the last game was no different.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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And remember that thread a few days ago, "What would make me buy a XBox One?"
Never thought the answer would be Tomb Raider, LoL!
Never thought the answer would be Tomb Raider, LoL!
markedbravado
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But thats the thing. They won't. They will buy and recommend used sales just to spite. Do u not see the anger in this thread =P
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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More funding means a better and longer game, I don't know.
SE probably doesn't want to fund the money they need...
...since FFXV is eating it up!
Katze mit Hut
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Uncharted 1 and 2's budget were only $20 million each.
Ehhhhhh.....
TheOctodad
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GAF should be better than this. Come on.
Katze mit Hut
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If you compare that to GTA V, the later seems like a waste of money.
Winterfang
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Destiny almost feels like a PS4 exclusive.
D
Deleted member 80556
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I'm rather saddened to hear this on the point of MS thinking they have to purchase exclusivity to make XB1 appear better than the PS4 for Fall. They obviously think they won't have a suitable competitor against Uncharted when it releases. Thought they wouldn't mind Uncharted since it'll probably go against Halo (which might just be bigger, I dunno) around the same time frame, but they obviously want to be sure rather than sorry.
Although aside from that I'm not really upset. This might just be a good deal for SE. I mean, if they sold millions of units for the last game and they still didn't classify it as a hit, then maybe this will allow for some more leeway. Don't know if it means more funding to make a better game, but if by the end of the exclusivity perios, The Rise of Tomb Raider is not a success, then they really are stupid at making business.
Although aside from that I'm not really upset. This might just be a good deal for SE. I mean, if they sold millions of units for the last game and they still didn't classify it as a hit, then maybe this will allow for some more leeway. Don't know if it means more funding to make a better game, but if by the end of the exclusivity perios, The Rise of Tomb Raider is not a success, then they really are stupid at making business.
You don't want a visit from MS legal?
clutch.as.it.gets.
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I think its just bad long term business for SE. TR 2 had the potential to do really great saleswise, but with this move there is no way this game can blow up in sales. Most wont buy a xbox one to play this and most wont pay full prize for it when the PS4/PC version finally hit.
I personally will just go to youtube watch a walkthrough and if its great i will buy it someday when i see it for 10 bucks on amazon - if at all.
I personally will just go to youtube watch a walkthrough and if its great i will buy it someday when i see it for 10 bucks on amazon - if at all.
boredandlazy
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If it is indeed permanent it's just another example of the videogame industry finding a way to self destruct in it's stubborn search for short term profit. If it does turn out to be permanently exclusive, I won't be buying the Temple of Osiris either.
At least it isn't Mirror's Edge 2.
Although with that being EA, you never know...
Mr Moose
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Does that change anything? They can still back out of the agreement. They have more than a year to change their mind.
Silent Hill, Bloodbourne, and Wild. Not a bad group of AAA exclusives (by third parties) to offset Lara.
Depends on what they signed.
I would assume there is a penalty for backing out of the agreement now. At least I would add a penalty if I was going to have SE sign something.
Circle Jerk
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Man seeing the shit these guys are getting on facebook and twitter... going on a limb here that they didn't expect this much of a backlash from Sony fans. Kinda dumb on their part if they didn't, but this entire thing seems kinda dumb so.
Lol, the money needed to make Destiny a timed exclusive would bankrupt Sony.
boredandlazy
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Omnistalgic
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So...I'm a little late to the party, but all I can get out of this news is pretty much on par with Nirolak here. Just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all. So I'm not really upset, as I still haven't played Tomb Raider on PS4 (got bored with it on PS3, felt like a weaker UC game with "different" ideas) so I guess this news doesn't affect my purchasing decisions, but any updates on whether this is officially timed or not. I think that would relax many fans spewing salt and venom and Crystal dynamics right now.
Would announcing time exclusivity hurt MS in anyway? Wouldn't people wait for the game to release on there platform of choice regardless? Don't see why the secrecy and wordplay has to be used here.
Hoho for breakfast
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Maybe. I shouldn't use the word "stupid" when I have no idea what the deal even is. It may have been a very smart deal. I don't know. I'm just mad about it and I hope SE regrets it. I'll be a lost sale because of it and that's all I can really do besides keep parroting the fact that I don't like the whole deal.
I can see where Sony fans are coming from. Tomb Raider has been a prominent title
on PS consoles for nearly 2 decades. Now it's a timed exclusive on XB1 lol
No one fucking knows, that's the thing. Microsoft is using jumbled PR speak instead of saying outright.
There were plenty of ways to modernize the formula without destroying everything that made it appealing. That said, the old games had great gameplay focused around deliberate controls which, while they had a learning curve, did not inhibit in any way the superiority of the titles level design, puzzle design and exploration. The new TR is a pale shadow of what the original was.
By the way, "OG" just means original.
They could have chose to give it a different name and put it out, and nobody would have cared. Would have been the same as a 1000 other games released last gen. in TR OG, we lost a series that has no other peers in the industry and which no other game plays like it.
I act that way because I love what Tomb Raider actually is. RE fans act that way for the same reason. And I'm not against modernization whatsoever. It's just that what replaces it has to be better that what came before, or at least equally good in a different fashion. Instead, we got an insult to gamers everywhere. No challenge, no platforming skill required, laughably easy puzzles, no exploration worthy of any merit.
Anyway, we're just going in circles. Everyone will act how they want. I shared how I feel, and I'm super happy right now
I would really like to add more to this but Hideo Del Reedus just took all the air out of my lungs so I will simply give you a thumbs up and say I agree.
I agree. *thumbs up*
Think about what they said...then think about the definition of time.
I act that way because I love what Tomb Raider actually is. RE fans act that way for the same reason. And I'm not against modernization whatsoever. It's just that what replaces it has to be better that what came before, or at least equally good in a different fashion. Instead, we got an insult to gamers everywhere. No challenge, no platforming skill required, laughably easy puzzles, no exploration worthy of any merit.
Anyway, we're just going in circles. Everyone will act how they want. I shared how I feel, and I'm super happy right now
You love what Tomb Raider was. Tomb Raider is what Tomb Raider is today, and it could at any time dig back to what it has been. There is no circle, just a wall of denial and a wish for failure. I don't blame fans for not liking what it is, but those kinds of wishes are just ugly, really.
Mr Moose
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Wasn't Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare originally announced as an Xbox "exclusive"?
(Real question, btw, I think it was but I am not sure).
Ah ok, I was just confused by thread titled stating it was timed. I own both the xbox one and ps4 so I'll definitely be getting it. Kind of odd that they would pass up on the profit they'd make releasing it multiplat though
It could be taken as it's coming out holiday 2015 but it could be that it's just exclusive at that time. Either way there's a really good chance of it coming to PC. Microsoft has been really good about allowing their exclusives to go the PC route lately
NullPointer
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Tomb Raider 2013 managed to disappoint old school fans of the series, and this Xbox exclusivity pisses off their new Playstation and PC fans.
I have faith that Squenix has it in them to insult their remaining audience somehow.
We haven't even seen the DLC yet.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
They won't. Releasing games late after long periods of time will result in loss of sales. Maybe if the window of exclusivity is small in which case MS looses.
It's because the decision was made by the Japanese branch, I'm sure S-E Europe and Eidos know how this franchise is associated with Playstation and PC, but it's not their call. Now they have to deal with a PR nightmare. I kinda feel sad for the developers, people are calling them sell-outs and how they are fucking their fanbase, but the real culprit is S-E Japan.
navyguy734
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I am confused, we dont know who paid for what, how much was paid or anything solid.... and why the double standard with sony? they get an exclusive in the ps3 days or now and its great, nobody questions money or the business involved.
Now here is another thing, regardless of what system it was exclusive for, it would LOSE sales.... if it was ps4 exclusive it would lose out on 5-6 million xbox ones out there.
If uncharted was not exclusive it would sell more, if halo was not exclusive it would sell more.
Everyone comments as if they know the business behind this deal, but lets not forget or confuse one thing, both systems have exclusives that i wish were on the other system...nobody are yelling about the lost sales of no mans land or day z?
I def dont know the business behind any exclusive deals, or times exclusives and id bet 99% of you dont either, so why not just enjoy the games you have one whatever system you have instead of the conspiracy theory.... MS isnt apple or google, but if they have loads of cash and could buy sony or any game company they really wanted...that is what id say is crossing the moneyhat line.
Now here is another thing, regardless of what system it was exclusive for, it would LOSE sales.... if it was ps4 exclusive it would lose out on 5-6 million xbox ones out there.
If uncharted was not exclusive it would sell more, if halo was not exclusive it would sell more.
Everyone comments as if they know the business behind this deal, but lets not forget or confuse one thing, both systems have exclusives that i wish were on the other system...nobody are yelling about the lost sales of no mans land or day z?
I def dont know the business behind any exclusive deals, or times exclusives and id bet 99% of you dont either, so why not just enjoy the games you have one whatever system you have instead of the conspiracy theory.... MS isnt apple or google, but if they have loads of cash and could buy sony or any game company they really wanted...that is what id say is crossing the moneyhat line.