Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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The Antitype
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krypt0nian
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At this point, they're in a fight to remain relevant worldwide.
The Antitype
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Yeah. Just like the PS3 would never catch up the Xbox 360.
I'm not saying they will catch up, but it's been less than a year since launch.
If that's the case, then what position is Nintendo in? DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED, lol
Y0j1mb0
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seems at the time of E3 at least, it was not exclusive. from Microsoft's E3 press release:
from @jasonschreier's twitter account
Nice catch.
whatevermort
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Clearly just legal bullshit. It's timed, but they can't say it's timed, as it's designed to shift Bones. So: they'll claim exclusive and all that until suddenly, 6 months later, oh look! But until then, they'll never say "there's a different SKU coming!" because legalese will prevent such.
I don't know about that one...the Tomb Raider reboot sold what...4 million tops on a 150+ million install base? And over half of those sales were on the platform that the sequel is now not being released on.
I also don't see anyone seriously suggesting Bloodborne is going to move millions of consoles.
I think Wii U sales are still above Xbox One sales.
Just spitballing here, but conceivably they might refrain from signing contracts that obligate them to intentionally deceive their customers.
Pristine_Condition
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I don't know or care about the "backlash" angle from Playstation fans. Not saying there won't be one...just don't care. But you know, I was so hung up on how nonsensical this move was for S-E, that I didn't even think about how dumb it was for MS.
You may be right about TR not really moving the needle for them as a system seller. (In fact, I think you probably ARE right.) The only thing I can think of is MS knows Uncharted 4 is coming and they are frightened that they felt they desperately need to have something exclusive that at least sorta plays in that same ballpark as Uncharted, as a sort of a "me too!" deal. And they certainly aren't going to get it out of their 1st-party, not in time anyway, so they rushed out and made this deal.
That's really the only thing I can even think of that makes any kind of sense for MS's motivation. Seems terribly misplaced, but it is what it is, I guess.
That's the laughable and annoying part too, if this is indeed an actual exclusive they are essentially leaving a PC version sitting in their offices as the Xbone runs off of DX11, ESRAM specific tweaks aside.
Neff
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Honestly, they'll catch up if it kills them.
It won't kill them, just potentially hurt their extremely deep pockets indefinitely.
markedbravado
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They will never catch up.
well I dont know why it would create more of a backlash,
Both company's are doing the same thing, it does not matter if its a new I.P or not. They are both giving developers money for timed exclusivity. both are as bad or good as each other.
There is no debate here, it is fact. If you think one company is worse/better then the other then that is entirely fabricated by your opinion.
No it's not. If there is an awesome cake for a desert what would you pass you off more, eating it without chocolate or not eating it at all?
I guess that, unless you don't like chocolate you'd hate more the latter.
This is the same. Both are shitty practices anybody should support. The only difference is that in one case you taste the cake while in the other you just see how others eat.
And I consider them both and retailer exclusive DLC al terrible.
Cthulhu_Steev
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Huggers
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Not sure I'm having that. The size of this thread tells you this will make a far bigger backlash. TR is a far bigger name obviously.
The Antitype
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Technically speaking, they're not deceiving them. Standard PR practice is to deflect and focus on the specifics. In this case, keep bringing up the 2015 time-stamp whenever you mention exclusivity.
So long as the game doesn't come out PS4 before the end of 2015, consumers haven't been lied to.
Castef
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"XXX Website officially says" does not answer my question. Where Square Enix announced the platforms for the game at the time of its reveal?
This.
Lord Panda
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As much as I enjoyed the latest Tomb Raider, it's definitely not a system seller for me. I'll wait for the PC or PS4 version.
The Antitype
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We'll see what happens. I'm still crossing my fingers for Nintendo to buy the Xbox division from Microsoft.
You know what's really baffling? They chose the worst time ever to unveil the exclusivity. I mean The Temple of Osiris is coming soon, PS and PC fans aren't going to happily buy the game knowing the main one is exclusive to the XBOne, at least wait after Temple of Osiris, this company is completely clueless. Temple of Osiris will be a great game, but it will be surrounded by all the negative hype. A lot of fans aren't going to buy it, because why buy it when I won't get the next Tomb Raider?
-tetsuo-
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I think you may be overestimating how large the Tomb Raider community is.
Psycho_Mantis
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SE once again proving that they are truly the stupidest publisher in our industry.
Complain about TR selling 3 million +
Release TR Definitive with PS4 version outselling the XB1 version 2:1
Knows thats the PS4 has twice the fan base of XB1
Conclusion: we should take MS's money hat and make TR a timed exclusive for XB1.
SMH. Personally I don't care about the recent TR but wow the fan base is pissed. This game is going to flop especially with expectations SE has had.
Complain about TR selling 3 million +
Release TR Definitive with PS4 version outselling the XB1 version 2:1
Knows thats the PS4 has twice the fan base of XB1
Conclusion: we should take MS's money hat and make TR a timed exclusive for XB1.
SMH. Personally I don't care about the recent TR but wow the fan base is pissed. This game is going to flop especially with expectations SE has had.
shacklesmcgee
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Can't believe I live in a world where I have to wonder if a fairly successful, highly praised multi-platform game will indeed be multi platform again.
manny10032
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Limite the game sales.
Perception. Tomb Raider was heavily assiociated with Playstation. Now we have "Tomb Raider Xbox One exclusive" headlines.
Peanut Butter
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Response to this announcement is just so funny. Although I hate that MS/SE is being a bit quiet on whether or not ROTTR is timed or fully exclusive, this is HUGE news, and is a legitimate reason for someone to finally jump on the Xbox One train.
Some of what I'm seeing here is just baffling. You either have -
Xbox One owners that liked Tomb Raider 2013 and were excited for the sequel who claim that they wont buy the game now even though they are able to play it
or
People who don't own and Xbox One, want to own the system, liked TR 2013, but are refusing to support Microsoft and Square even though they've been waiting for a reason to buy the system.
Remember when Read Dead Redemption 2 was being tossed around as the possible big 3rd party exclusive pre-E3 or Mass Effect? People said that would be a megaton and would be a legit reason to get an Xbox One. Why isn't that the general feeling towards Tomb Raider?
Some of what I'm seeing here is just baffling. You either have -
Xbox One owners that liked Tomb Raider 2013 and were excited for the sequel who claim that they wont buy the game now even though they are able to play it
or
People who don't own and Xbox One, want to own the system, liked TR 2013, but are refusing to support Microsoft and Square even though they've been waiting for a reason to buy the system.
Remember when Read Dead Redemption 2 was being tossed around as the possible big 3rd party exclusive pre-E3 or Mass Effect? People said that would be a megaton and would be a legit reason to get an Xbox One. Why isn't that the general feeling towards Tomb Raider?
I see, in that case I would say have the thread title changed to "RUMOR: CBOAT ' Timed Exclusive'" as I thought it was SOP for GAF to not have this kind of info stated as official in a thread title unless it was officially substantiated.
Not taking a shot at GAF MODs, just I thought that was how it worked.
The Antitype
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Globally, the Wii U has sold roughly 6.5m uints to the XBOs 5.0m. In terms of raw numbers the Wii U has more units in homes; but the Wii U also has a full year of sales ahead of the XBOs release. Parsing these numbers down to sales per month (21 months vs. 9 months), Wii U has been selling about 325,000 units per month, while XBO has been selling 550,000 units per month. If we were to project those numbers out to Wii Us 21 months, XBO would have sold 11.5m units at that rate.
Then the backlash is from the power of the I.P, Not by the practice of MS or square.
QuantumZebra
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That is a good point. But holy christ what a PR fiasco. Even if it does come out on PS4/PC I don't think many people will be jumping to buy it.
STUPID SE. Ugh. Just stupid!
Pristine_Condition
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This is nothing new. This is identical to what they did at E3 for the Xbone reveal when they told publishers on their stage that if they were featured on their stage, they couldn't even mention a PS4 version of their game at the show. The publishers played ball, (read: "probably took money") so I guess this is just MS's standard practice now. It doesn't really work, as salesAGE evidence shows, but they believe in it.
The game industry is full of consumer deception. I wouldn't get too fired up about this type of deal. There's much worse out there. Pick your battles, or you'll be Don Quixote...
-tetsuo-
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No it wasn't. Even if it ever was, it certainly hasn't been since Legend came out.
The Antitype
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Depends on when the PS4 version is released, what the reviews/buzz is like, and what else is being released in the same window.
HawksWinStanley
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Wouldn't shock me if MS pulled the same thing they did with Titanfall and locked the game up as a true exclusive.
I would rather see the Xbox division vanish before Nintendo buys them. Their core focuses and directions are so apart from one another. Maybe Nintendo can get Rare back, but that's become a has-been studio now, so even that dream seems pretty worthless.
Of course, that is assuming Xbox is crumbling. I think heavy pegs have to be shattered for that to happen.
TGO
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Pretty much my thoughts exactly. This seems like a colossally dumb move for both MS and SE. I fail to see how either party plans to come out on top here.
Money talks. And unfortunately, Japanese publishers really need it these days.
Scofield94941
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Timed? I'll wait for PS4 version. I think Microsoft is trying to make moves and it may work for some people. They cant just sit around and let ps4 continue to outsell them
RyanPierre
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The fact that Microsoft is not shouting from the rooftops that it's a permanent exclusive should give you all the information you need about whether or not it's timed. I can't imagine anyone with critical thinking skills believing that it's not timed based on all of the question dodging that's been done today.