I never said people didn't play both i said the fanbases are vastly different. The people who would be inclined to buy a console for Halo are not the same people who would be inclined to buy a console for a 3rd person action adventure Tomb Raider game. They are completely different fanbases.
Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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I never said people didn't play both i said the fanbases are vastly different. The people who would be inclined to buy a console for Halo are not the same people who would be inclined to buy a console for a 3rd person action adventure Tomb Raider game. They are completely different fanbases.
BruiserBear
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That game got very little advertising on XB1. Don't think I ever saw a tv commercial. It's not a big budget project.
Mass Effect
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You don't think Tomb Raider is a bigger franchise than Ace Combat? Really?
How well do/did Ace Combat games usually sell? I can't imagine that much (comparatively that is).
Please no.
Why don't they just buy Nintendo while they're at it?
I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. Would you mind elaborating a bit?
Smutpeddler
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Absolutely brilliant move by MS.
I am now more entertained by forum posts today than the game itself will be when it comes out.
I am now more entertained by forum posts today than the game itself will be when it comes out.
Chobel
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Necessary? Just because they took the deal doesn't it was necessary for them to take it. It only mean they found it better than going multipat
Dragonborn
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I fully believe UC4 will do better than or close to Halo 5. Yes, it's going to be that big. I think people are underestimating it.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
I know what they should do next, pay people to buy their console.
overdrivex
Banned
what did that have to do with his argument?
Chobel
Member
No, he's saying TR will sell better in 2015 (same period of UC) than it will sell in 2016.
Jesus christ lol. You realize 3rd party exclusivity is a bad thing right? Microsoft needs to invest in their own studios, not existing ones to blackball everyone else out.
Infernostew
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By AC I thought you meant Assassins Creed
Timed (like this deal with SE). Why else would they make multi-year deals with Activision just for some DLC? Same with the unprecedented partnership (lol) with EA.
They're obviously trying very hard to instill the idea that you can get the biggest games and must-have DLC (lol) on Xbox One first. It's the most powerful card they have left to play since Sony has trumped them on every other front. Does it work? Given the amount of money I imagine they're throwing around I'd say they have evidence suggesting it does.
Personally, and I say this as someone who really enjoys his Xbox One, MS deserves all the hardship three times over and I want to see them suffer this gen. I want them to suffer until they get into a regular groove of investing in compelling new IP and return franchises (Banjo, Viva Pinata, Conker, Perfect Dark) like they should have been doing, instilling a sense that Xbox 4 will truly be a must have for a wide variety of real exclusives. Locking up a game for 5 hot minutes that was going to come to the platform anyway doesn't make me feel any better about my purchase. Showing a crudely drawn Banjo-Kazooie with 2032 as the target release would have done more for me than this TR announcement. Anywho, the optimist in me hopes these lock-up tactics are short term while they find more partners/studios for actual exclusives. We'll see.
BruiserBear
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Meaning they felt it was worth some negative blowback they knew they'd get. That tells me they felt it was a necessary move to keep their studio going for the long term.
This is so weird to me. People buying a 400$ console can't afford to buy two 60$ games? The explanation are becoming more far fetched. Somehow MS also ruined Tales of now too.
If they were really scared of Uncharted they could have simply delayed the game till the next quarter or release it before Uncharted. Nothing even guarantees that Uncharted will be out in holidays 2015. That seems a very poor reason to sign an exclusivity deal.
El-Pistolero
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Quoted. We shall see in 16 months or so...
Mr Moose
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Mass Effect
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I'm not going to say that's a definite yes, but it certainly is a possibility. Between the relatively low sales of the Xbone (and inversely, higher sales for Playstation), Halo not being the franchise it used to be (it's not the shooter anymore), Call of Duty eating its lunch for the past few years, Destiny on the horizon, and Halo 4 alienating a lot of fans, yeah, I could see it.
I guessed that might be the case. I assumed that since the person I was quoting clearly stated Ace Combat that people would catch that AC in my post would mean Ace Combat, not Assassin's Creed.
That's a bold claim. I could see them selling similar quantities mostly due to XB1s smaller install base but outselling Halo 5 is a tall order. Time will tell.
Duxxy3
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Interesting theory.
edit: Of course if Uncharted falls to 2016, it's probably a big loss in revenue for SE, not having a PS4 version.
Chobel
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We only know that SE felt this deal is more profitable than going full multipat, it doesn't mean it was necessary, just a better deal.
shacklesmcgee
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If you truly believe this, then you are detrimental to the gaming industry, Sir.
oooh Ace Combat hahaha AC is Assassin's Creed now
I completely agree that it's not a very big project. But it just seems like EA and especially Sony are indifferent to it. And depending on the market reaction to Rise of Tomb Raider, this could very well be Sony's response to a potential late release of the title. Indifference where they don't bother to help out with advertising outside of the requisite Playstation Blog Post from the developers when it's announced and one more post the week it comes out. However, on the chance that Rise of the Tomb Raider explodes and becomes a very popular and very successful title (aka a killer app), then Sony would definitely put a lot more effort.
StanleyStutters
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Good move for MS and I wonder if we'll see more moves like this one. Tomb Raider isn't a huge loss to me personally, but still it's a good get. If they could swing something huge like Mass Effect than things will get interesting.
This guy gets it. These sort of deals really fail to make XB1 a compelling long term investment. Its basically a bandaid for the fact they have little to no first party support/content outside of a handful of franchises being milked into oblivion.
shinra-bansho
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The implication that S-E are moving a PS4 SKU to avoid Uncharted suggests they'll actually increase unit sales rather than decrease them. As such, it would behoove them to do so regardless of a MS deal. This is without considering the time value of money though I suppose.
PeakPointMatrix
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*wanders into thread, glances at page count*
What in the hell??
What is being discussed in a non-E3 press conference thread to tally a 100+ pages in an afternoon? Damn! I mean the announcement is pretty straightforward, along woth some SQ regret maybe?
What in the hell??
What is being discussed in a non-E3 press conference thread to tally a 100+ pages in an afternoon? Damn! I mean the announcement is pretty straightforward, along woth some SQ regret maybe?
Dragonborn
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The Uncharted games sold about 5-6 million each, one one platform. Since then, ND's brand has only grown, with TLOU well on it's way to 10 million (albeit on two consoles). By the time UC4 comes out, the PS4 will have easily crossed 25 million, and it'll be close to 30. ND is Sony's premiere studio, which means they're going to be pushing it hard, plus it looks friggen amazing so there will no doubt be tons of hype (not to mention, it's supposed to be the final game).
Halo 5 comes on the heels of a disappointing Halo 4, on a console with sales that are less than impressive. By the time it comes out, the X1 will be lucky to have crossed 15 (maybe it'll be at 16 or 17 million). While there will certainly be a lot of hype, I feel that all these factors will combine and lead to UC4 outselling Halo 5. Especially since Sony now holds NA as well, which means they have an audience that they may not have had last gen (a lot of 360 gamers switching over) along with their established base.
TLOU2 will be even bigger.
It was in regards to the theory that SE may have been scared to compete with UC.
Chobel
Member
1) Delayed releases usually (always?) don't sell well
2) People are unlikely to pay full price for delayed release.
RoTR will sell like shit when released later in PS4.
This is how you play the game boy. All i want is that both Sony and Microsoft sells their hardware enough to have another generation of gaming. Competition is a good thing sir.
Infernostew
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I totally jumped the comment gun there. Thought you might have moved on to comparing them since their similar genres. I dunno.
You do realize that asking for sales parity between consoles means you are arguing against there being any actual competition right? If Microsoft or Sony dropped out of the console businesses, either company would still face fierce competition from other factors.
hahaha oh wow.
Effigenius
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Lots of hype? I must have missed that. I thought it had no advertismements and was regarded as a joke. I think it will do fine because the xb1 version generated positive word of mouth which the ps4 version will now benefit from.
He didn't specify sales parity, only that which warrants their continued business to keep pushing each other.
Given the PR and business decisions we have seen out of MS and the odd localization decisions out of SE i dont really think this is a sound argument to make. It's attributing a level of competency that is simply not evident.
I suppose anything is technically possible but given the past entry it's safe to assume it will be successful but not "kickass" at least as far as sales are concerned. But hey you could be right. I will however say that you are underestimating the impact of ill will especially when it is consistently reinforced as MS continues to do with these sort of deals. It's not just matter of the fanbase forgetting when they are reminded on a regular basis.
Well I would argue that the impact this could have on the franchise as a whole has the potential to a significant loss for them. Also the way you are defining loss clearly differs form the way a business like SE would define the term. To them Tomb Raider making a modest profit is not a win. They are aiming to create a blockbuster franchise. You are right that this deal likely ensures that they will end up with some sort of profit but in the long term as a franchise it handicaps their sales potential with both this and future releases. It's not a smart long term decision it's a reactionary short term decision to avoid taking a hit. It's like a boxer dodging a face jab but creating a potential opening for a haymaker in the process. Inevitably time will tell but the potential for negative impact is there.
Tomb Raider could be a better game with this exclusivity. They can use the cloud to do something especial like Crackdown 3 physics. When you doesn't have to worry about different hardware's you can focus your entire team to squeeze one platform. The Rise of Tomb Raider could be the 2015 Game of the Year. That was a BIG BIG move by Microsoft.
power of the cloud confirmed?
Are you a PR person or what.
Its coming to xbox 360 also.
I was more addressing that Microsoft needs to be there to give competition to Sony. Like there is some sort of natural order where both need to exist in the console space in order for there to be competition. It doesn't. There are so many factors that if either company bowed out, there would still be fierce competition happening.
I completely understand your argument but it is still a bold claim to make. The hang up will be the attach rate. It is pretty much guaranteed that Halo 5's attach rate on XB1 will phenomenal where as I7m not so confident about UC4's attach rate on PS4. It all boils down to whether or not the sales gap will be enough to make up for the potential gap in attach rate across the two titles. Time will tell inevitably
Ah ok. That's an interesting argument. But given that PS4 titles are retaining full market value well past their release I don't think the impact of a release along UC4 would be as impactful as some seem to think it would be. But it's not really something that occurred to me at all so cheers on bringing that up. No way to know for sure either way.
My bad. Agreed.
shacklesmcgee
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How does making sure games aren't released on other platforms "competition"?
This will be something about money, of course. But nobody is talking about the ressources, MS is able to give to developers. Just think about azure for development.
For a big project like TR, giving good price drops for using such things could be a huge contract point, couldn't it?
For a big project like TR, giving good price drops for using such things could be a huge contract point, couldn't it?
Chobel
Member
huh?
Wow.... yea no as many others have said this coming out on last gen as well so any argument that it will magically improve due to exclusivity on XB1 is immediately negated by the fact that it is also handicapped by being developed on last gen hardware and being confined to the limits of that hardware. But you have some serious spinning skills.