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[DICKS AHOY]

Besides not getting an AT or a boss in Brawl, I honestly feel like DK is probably the most equally represented series in the Smash franchise considering how erratic its style constantly is. You have the arcade legacy, the SNES/N64 revival and the post-Rare 'experimental' games, yet Brawl still seemed to give them all their due. Diddy was also incredibly faithful to his DKC-era sprites/animations while working in some DK64 stuff, which I think is impressive since Rare was long gone at that point so there was nothing stopping them from just doing whatever with the character.

Likewise SSB64/Melee focused on DKC since it was what set him apart from Mario, while still including the hammer from the original game as a major item.

Until SSB4 completely ignores DK, I've never gotten the impressive Sakurai shafts the franchise. Metroid and F-Zero feel like they get under/mis-represented in a lot more ways in my opinion.

 

[Boss Doggie]

let's talk about Wolf instead

 

[theprodigy]

I wonder if we'll get today's pic early or late.

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or even normal? *gasp*

 

[Neiteio]

Lanky Kong is legit. If we could time-travel and have Rare make a DKC4, I'd totally want him in there.

 

[Tripon]

Guys, I found Snake's new final smash.

 

[emb]

I guess we still have a WWHD level for the Wii U Version...

What would make sense, unless they re-use Pirate Ship? I would love a level based off Windfall, just really peaceful and large.

I'd like to see this setting used somehow:

It's not much to look at on it's own... and having a platform to stand on there would be forced. But just getting to visit, and knowing what it is would be cool.

I think Clock Town or Castle Town could also make for good locations, in a style similar to Onett in Melee.

Another that thing that could be cool would be to have a stage based on some locale Link visits while shrunken in Minish Cap, complete with oversized everyday objects. Or the Wind Palace, which IIRC is in that game and FS, and maybe FSA?

Or have a section of Koholint Island, where the egg is in view. As the time/stocks for the match move closer to the end, you start seeing the egg rumble and pieces of the island starting to fade.

 

[Durden77]

Please, we all know who needs to get in from DK64...

He's actually grace incarnate.

 

[exfatal]

Do people seriously think we're not getting a DK newcomer even though DKCR was massively successful, Tropical Freeze just came out, and both Dixie and K. Rool have been heavily requested? Don't let your hatred for the franchise cloud reality.

I cant wait for Dixie Kong and floating Tiki Head boss

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Pretty heavy with the conjecture there on the bolded. There's not really evidence to suggest one way or the other (aside maybe from MM and Sonic being playable in demos).

I think you're pretty much right though. Unless characters start getting revealed much faster, I think we'll get the rest of the veterans+2-4 newcomers as unlocks.

Yeah...I it is possible I suppose that third parties are unlocks but it just seems...pointless to do that if we know them. Not to mention it would probably piss off said third parties. (Tho they'd be grateful enough to even be in the game lol.)

What about Luigi?

He said something along the lines of "In previous games I didn't show off Luigi until after release but it is the Year of Luigi after all!"

I just think he said that...because he was secret in those games. Of all the characters that were once secret, Luigi makes the least sense anymore.

 

[Green Mamba]

Presuming Ryce's take on the roster is correct (and I'm hedging on it being so) the biggest gap in the roster is a lack of a Donkey Kong newcomer. By far.

The treatment of the Donkey Kong series thus far has been probably the biggest shortsight of the prerelease hype. Two returning characters, a returning stage, three returning items (all of them not really from DKC anyway), and... that's it? Seriously?

Dixie is generic sidekick #482, the only character like that we have atm is Falco, and he was put in as a clone. No way Dixie will get in as a full fledged newcomer.

Dixie actually starred in her own game that sold over a million in Japan alone. Half of the cast in SSB4 can't attest to that.

 

[random25]

Tiny's actually appeared alongside Dixie in a couple Mario Sports appearances but...

Well, you decide.

She looks much better than Dixie and looks more unique, so...I'm ok with it. Dixie is like Diddy with wig and contact lens.

 

[Ceravic]

Sounds alright by me.

Me too. Ness and Lucas returning and Shulk as a newcomer, coupled with everything we already have seems about perfect to me.

 

[theprodigy]

I wonder how Global Smash Power is even going to be calculated.

 

[PadWarrior]

Guys, I found Snake's new final smash.

LOL! This is good.

 

[Sponge]

Lanky is the only Kong that's currently not been brought back by Retro that needs to be salavaged.

He was great.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

There's no good candidates though.

Dixie is generic sidekick #482, the only character like that we have atm is Falco, and he was put in as a clone. No way Dixie will get in as a full fledged newcomer.

K Rool is ugly and irrelevant.

I'll agree that dixie has no personality. She is just female Diddy with hair. I have no qualms if she gets in but I can't say she would really excite me much either. With all of that said, Hell No to Falco being a generic sidekick. He has plenty of personality.

How about Cranky Kong? He's appeared in every DKC to date. He was the only other Kong after DK and Diddy in Returns. Sakurai would've known they were planning him for Tropical Freeze, as well. Pogo bounce, denture toss... Ride on Rambi, recover with Squawks... He has potential.

I would love Cranky Kong but chances are slim. Id love for an old character like Cranky and I think hed easily become a favorite funny character to play as. They could even play up his history as the original DK. I could see him easily fit in due to his history and playable status in Tropical Freeze. However I dont expect it to happen.

 

[DrStiles]

Lanky is the only Kong that's currently not been brought back by Retro that needs to be salavaged.

He was great.

I thought both Lanky and Chunky were MIA.

 

[Sponge]

There's no good candidates though.

Dixie is generic sidekick #482, the only character like that we have atm is Falco, and he was put in as a clone. No way Dixie will get in as a full fledged newcomer.

K Rool is ugly and irrelevant.

Dixie would actually be pretty interesting. Even if she'd be Diddy's Falco, DK deserves at least 3 characters.

 

[Durden77]

Guys, I found Snake's new final smash.

It's showtime.

 

[Sponge]

I thought both Lanky and Chunky were MIA.

They are. I'm saying Lanky is the only one MIA that needs to return. I wouldn't miss the rest.

 

[exfatal]

Dixie would actually be pretty interesting. Even if she'd be Diddy's Falco, DK deserves at least 3 characters.

Cranky Kong he can cover the dk slot and add one more retro character

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

The biggest problem with DK's treatment in Smash is Sakurai's JUNGLE LOVE (aka the "I've never played these games past level 1" syndrome).

Seriously. The only non-Jungle DK stage is just literally ripped from the arcade game, and sucks. I'd love a fully 3D Construction Site level taking place in a beautiful city, but that'll never happen.

If Sakurai gives us a non-Jungle DK level I'll have no complaints.

 

[Sponge]

Cranky Kong he can cover the dk slot and add one more retro character

Agreed. He's already out since there was a Cranky trophy already confirmed and he's in the DK stage still.

 

[jph139]

Man, personality or not Dixie is easily my most wanted newcomer at this point. Classic design with some great gameplay potential - simple but unique. And she's definitely earned the slot; sort of doubting her inclusion at this point but fingers crossed.

 

[NeonZ]

Presuming Ryce's take on the roster is correct (and I'm hedging on it being so) the biggest gap in the roster is a lack of a Donkey Kong newcomer. By far.

The treatment of the Donkey Kong series thus far has been probably the biggest shortsight of the prerelease hype. Two returning characters, a returning stage, three returning items (all of them not really from DKC anyway), and... that's it? Seriously?

Well, is it really shortsighted if it's right? Tropical Freeze seems to have fallen a lot in popularity compared to the original Returns. Of course, they couldn't have known about its performance when designing the game...

 

[Kyzon]

Tiny's actually appeared alongside Dixie in a couple Mario Sports appearances but...

Well, you decide.

I'd be perfectly down with Teen Tiny. She could shrink, use her gun, and helicopter around

 

[Beardy_GV]

Not giving a damn about Kongs, the roster is quite perfect to me if the last veterans get confirmed.

 

[EulaCapra]

To add to the case for having Dixie Kong as a guarantee on the roster,

+ Robin/Lucina reveal means decisions were always in flux and never final.
+ would be silly not to add in another DK rep especially after its resurgence.
+ planned for Brawl anyway.
+ She's always third in line after Donkey and Diddy in games (DKC, Donkey Konga, Mario Baseball, Mario Hoops, Barrel Blast, etc.).
+ Besides Tropical Freeze, she'll most likely appear alongside Diddy in Diddy Kong Racing for Wii U if the rumors are true like she did with Diddy Kong Racing DS port.
+ She was a marketing tool for Nintendo to gloat that they're more aware and focused on including female characters now (Dixie in Tropical Freeze, Peach/Rosalina in 3D World, 3 versions of Peach in MK8 lol). Not joking, their press releases literally signaled them out.
+ If all else fails, Diddy clone with new neutral and Up-B moves.
+ Sakurai might perv out again and post a pic of her in a salacious position with another female.
+ She'll be in Smash eventually. But there's no way she'll have no-name losers (Chorus Kids, Shulk, Lucina, Robin, Rosalina, Greninja), canonically irrelevant losers (Mii, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager), and losers who needed their franchises to be resurrected (Palutena, Little Mac) to get one Smash generation ahead of her.

 

[-Horizon-]

Guys, I found Snake's new final smash.

Magnificent.

 

[emb]

Well, is it really shortsighted if it's right? Tropical Freeze seems to have fallen a lot in popularity compared to the original Returns. Of course, they couldn't have known about its performance when designing the game...

I don't think that's the game's fault.

 

[theprodigy]

To add to the case for having Dixie Kong as a guarantee on the roster,

+ She'll be in Smash eventually. But there's no way she'll have no-name losers (Chorus Kids, Shulk, Lucina, Robin, Rosalina, Greninja), canonically irrelevant losers (Mii, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager), and losers who needed their franchises to be resurrected (Palutena, Little Mac) to get one Smash generation ahead of her.

oh man
this line of reasoning never fails to amuse

 

[nerdbot]

Me too. Ness and Lucas returning and Shulk as a newcomer, coupled with everything we already have seems about perfect to me.

Yeah, everyone from Brawl returning + Mewtwo and the two Gematsu dudes we have left would be incredible and I'd have no complaints.

Don't get me wrong, there's characters I want to be in who I'm still hoping for, but if we get what we're expecting I will be INCREDIBLY pleased with what we have in Smash 4. A Rhythm Heaven character, an Animal Crossing character, Little Mac, Mega Man, that's all dream-come-true shit for me.

Dixie Kong showing up wouldn't bother me but I I kind of doubt she'll show up.

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My dream DK character would be Cranky but he's probably not appearing if Jungle Japes is back. Think of how good his trailer would be!

 

[Neiteio]

To add to the case for having Dixie Kong as a guarantee on the roster,

+ Robin/Lucina reveal means decisions were always in flux and never final.
+ would be silly not to add in another DK rep especially after its resurgence.
+ planned for Brawl anyway.
+ She's always third in line after Donkey and Diddy in games (DKC, Donkey Konga, Mario Baseball, Mario Hoops, Barrel Blast, etc.).
+ Besides Tropical Freeze, she'll most likely appear alongside Diddy in Diddy Kong Racing for Wii U if the rumors are true like she did with Diddy Kong Racing DS port.
+ She was a marketing tool for Nintendo to gloat that they're more aware and focused on including female characters now (Dixie in Tropical Freeze, Peach/Rosalina in 3D World, 3 versions of Peach in MK8 lol). Not joking, their press releases literally signaled them out.
+ If all else fails, Diddy clone with new neutral and Up-B moves.
+ Sakurai might perv out again and post a pic of her in a salacious position with another female.
+ She'll be in Smash eventually. But there's no way she'll have no-name losers (Chorus Kids, Shulk, Lucina, Robin, Rosalina, Greninja), canonically irrelevant losers (Mii, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager), and losers who needed their franchises to be resurrected (Palutena, Little Mac) to get one Smash generation ahead of her.

All good points, especially the bolded

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Yeah, Dixie'd be easy to do. Maybe harder than Lucina, about Wolf-level.

Just filter Diddy's voice and make it higher.

Replace Diddy Kong's long punches with a hair whip.

Rocket Barrel Boost = Helicopter Hair.

Peanut Pop-Gun = Bubblegum Gun (or just use Tiny's Gun from DK64, since maybe Sakurai wouldn't know about her weapon in TF during development)

And Diddy's other Special Moves could probably be left as is...actually, does he still have the weird somersault + grinding the opponent's face combo? That might be a bit odd to see Dixie do...

No clue for what her Final Smash would be. Playing her Guitar in a way simmilar to DK's Donkey Konga?

 

[Kyzon]

+ She'll be in Smash eventually. But there's no way she'll have no-name losers (Chorus Kids, Shulk, Lucina, Robin, Rosalina, Greninja), canonically irrelevant losers (Mii, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager), and losers who needed their franchises to be resurrected (Palutena, Little Mac) to get one Smash generation ahead of her.

Instead she'll let Game & Watch, and Ice Climbers go a couple generations before her.


That losers talk is.... well I can't put it nicely. It's just not a great thing.

 

[OricWindstar]

Yeah, Dixie'd be easy to do. Maybe harder than Lucina, about Wolf-level.

Just filter Diddy's voice and make it higher.

Replace Diddy Kong's long punches with a hair whip.

Rocket Barrel Boost = Helicopter Hair.

Peanut Pop-Gun = Bubblegum Gun (or just use Tiny's Gun from DK64, since maybe Sakurai wouldn't know about her weapon in TF during development)

And Diddy's other Special Moves could probably be left as is...actually, does he still have the weird somersault + grinding the opponent's face combo? That might be a bit odd to see Dixie do...

No clue for what her Final Smash would be. Playing her Guitar in a way simmilar to DK's Donkey Konga?

Give her an animal buddy final smash.

 

[Neiteio]

I really don't see them making Dixie a Diddy clone. Even in DKC2, where they had the same height and weight, Diddy and Dixie had completely different moves. Dixie's running A would be a hair-whip rather than a cartwheel, for example. Her grabs would have her fling fools around with her ponytail. And so on.

 

[jph139]

I think it's possible to make Dixie a clone but probably too much work. You'd have to remake at least half of her moves from scratch, and at that point you may as well make her 100% unique, y'know?

But I guess you could say the same thing about Lucas, so...

 

[Lord_Byron28]

The biggest problem with DK's treatment in Smash is Sakurai's JUNGLE LOVE (aka the "I've never played these games past level 1" syndrome).

Seriously. The only non-Jungle DK stage is just literally ripped from the arcade game, and sucks. I'd love a fully 3D Construction Site level taking place in a beautiful city, but that'll never happen.

If Sakurai gives us a non-Jungle DK level I'll have no complaints.

Yeah thats the one thing I will say about the smash franchise is that a lot of the series get odd stage representation. DK is over due for a beach level and something not dk jungle related. Pokemon is finally getting more game based locations outside of stadiums and floats. Lets not even get started about the Metroid series awful stages. I dont have a problem with Star Fox and F-Zero stages but they repeat the same tropes for every stage, I dont neccesarily mind though. Also Bowser is long over due for a stage. They could do something based on his airships, bullet trains or castles.

 

[nerdbot]

I really don't see them making Dixie a Diddy clone. Even in DKC2, where they had the same height and weight, Diddy and Dixie had completely different moves. Dixie's running A would be a hair-whip rather than a cartwheel, for example. Her grabs would have her fling fools around with her ponytail. And so on.

Just because they were different in the source games doesn't mean they'd be different in Smash. They just do what works best, and I think a Lucina-esque Diddy clone is the most likely fate for Dixie Kong if she were going to be in. They COULD differentiate her, but they probably wouldn't.

 

[tonyh24613]

Stage or Meta Knight pic today.

 

[Shadow Hog]

I like this one

Way better mega man logo, too

Credit here: https://twitter.com/boxerhockey/status/499702222775541760

...why is there the silhouette of a Silvergun in the lower-right, just left of the gold Smash logo? Radiant Silvergun has never been on a Nintendo console.

 

[georly]

...why is there the silhouette of a Silvergun in the lower-right, just left of the gold Smash logo? Radiant Silvergun has never been on a Nintendo console.

The guy was having some fun, I dunno. Probably just to see if *YOU* would notice

 

[Neoxon]

I'm in the camp that has come to terms with there being no DK newcomers. Would I have wanted to see Dixie, definitely. But at this point, I just don't see that happening.

 

[Megalosaro]

Yeah, everyone from Brawl returning + Mewtwo and the two Gematsu dudes we have left would be incredible and I'd have no complaints.

Why are people still supporting gematsu? Its dead. Let it stay dead

 

[Benzychenz]

Dixie being a Diddy clone is the only way I see her getting in.

 

[foxuzamaki]

I'm in the camp that has come to terms with there being no DK newcomers. Would I have wanted to see Dixie, definitely. But at this point, I just don't see that happening.

I can see it happening easily, what has happened that made it less likely, I havent seen anything

 

[Kriken]

You guys are perverted

You're just NOW figuring this out?

Also, Lol at "K. Rool is heavily requested"

 

[BassForever]

So if we hadn't had the Gematsu leak would we all still be saying there is little to no chance of a new DK rep?

 

[Sponge]

So if we hadn't had the Gematsu leak would we all still be saying there is little to no chance of a new DK rep?

I don't think so. Nobody would have expected the Chorus Kids. I'd be saying Dixie was a shoe in.