I know the first part was a joke, but huh?
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Phil Spencer: MS will spend money on marketing and developing Rise of the Tomb Raider
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I know the first part was a joke, but huh?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
SE is stupid but no where near that stupid. Those franchises will have 80+% of their sales on PS4.
SEGAvangelist
Member
That isn't the only reason Insomniac has to own an IP, though. Owning an IP also grants the owner creative direction, merchandising rights and the ability to sell their IP if they so choose (see Gears of War). Sure, Sunset Overdrive 2 could be on PS4, but even though Insomniac owns the IP, MS could have first refusal rights for a sequel. In that case, SO2 may not be on PS4. You actually have no clue if it's a lock for PS4, but wrote, "Sunset overdrive 2 is coming to PS4. No question." See the problem here?
Reminds me of this (at 5:05). Also this (at 0:30).
For being a small studio, they could have easily said on that first video that it would come to the PS4, but instead he used a generic PR statement. Even the GameSpot guy seems to have taken a shot at their secrecy.
I guess this is a contractual thing? Can't talk about future versions of the game on a competing platform?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Well maybe they should invest more into First party development, because it happened all last generation and will this one too.
Ninja gaiden
Dead rising
Mass effect
Splinter cell
Trials
Serious Sam
Etc etc
I understand that. But I stand by my words.
I have no doubt in my mind that Sunset overdrive will have a sequel on PS4. You argue im wrong if you like, after all its only an opinion. But thats what i think is going to happen.
Vanderlyle
Banned
People don't seem to realize something...
Why would you be laughing at MS? There's zero confusion for Xbox one owners here. We know we will be playing tomb raider holiday 2015. The only people the vague statements could possibly upset would be Ps4 owners, maybe PC owners. Phil Spencer doesn't care if people that don't own xboxes are salty.This isn't a problem for Microsoft to deal with, it's really an issue with CD and SE.
The more Phil Spencer upsets Ps4 owners the better a job he is doing. That's just the nature of the competition unfortunately. If you are completely anti Xbox but get upset when an exclusive game or content isn't available to you, then I think this is going to be a veeery long generation for you indeed.
Not when Tomb Raider an established franchise hits at least 6 million sold. It's not like they're starting a new IP where they have no idea of how much appeal the franchise is going to have.
Neuromancer
Member
Yeah its the usual suspects spreading fear uncertainty and doubt all over again. Makes me sick.
They're up to 6.5 million now.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
We demand to know the truth. We deserve to know. What were the particulars of the deal? Break down the numbers. Details of that first meeting- was it over lunch? Sushi? Steak? Did anyone cackle maniacally when it was signed?
2/3 are the result of writing checks.
*sigh* Can someone just explain this in plain English for fuck's sake? Is that too much to ask?
Is it a timed exclusive, a console exclusive or a full exclusive?
Is MS publishing or is SE?
These are not difficult questions to answer and yet every time you have opened your mouths we end up with more questions instead of less.
As it is now nobody is sure if anything because every word out of your mouths is aimed to obfuscate instead of elucidate. THIS IS DOING YOU NO FAVORS! You are just making yourselves look either sleazy or grossly incompetent. Stop the BS and answer the damn questions! FFS
Is it a timed exclusive, a console exclusive or a full exclusive?
Is MS publishing or is SE?
These are not difficult questions to answer and yet every time you have opened your mouths we end up with more questions instead of less.
As it is now nobody is sure if anything because every word out of your mouths is aimed to obfuscate instead of elucidate. THIS IS DOING YOU NO FAVORS! You are just making yourselves look either sleazy or grossly incompetent. Stop the BS and answer the damn questions! FFS
sublimit
Banned
They could still have those sales after the exclusivity ends. SE will find ways to entice PS4 players.
Dragonborn
Member
Why in the world would I want to support these business practices?
He said MS, not X1 owners. It is a bit entertaining seeing MS mess up over and over. They just don't learn
Cornbread78
Member
FinalStageBoss
Banned
MS is entertaining me and I didn't even have to purchase their console 
StrongBlackVine
Banned
That could be said for any group. Have you forgotten all the crying over the Destiny content?
For some reason I'm the only one that considers this a "AA" cross-gen game only and an irrelevant timed exclusive. If the hype that is Uncharted 4 (next gen only) holds true in quality - its going to further hurt Xbox and TR in perception from its sheer quality (my assumption). Will it give xbox a few more sales? Maybe a few.
For today Microsoft is once again in the hot seat for something silly. They have zero transparency and just seem like flat out shysters.
For today Microsoft is once again in the hot seat for something silly. They have zero transparency and just seem like flat out shysters.
The amount of melt down that would happen due to that XD! I don't think Square Enix is THAT stupid to pull something like that
. Between FFXV stupidly long development cycle (being a PS3 exclusive but now a multiplatform game) and KH3 being closely linked to Sony (with the KH HD Collections ONLY being on PS3).....it would be counter-intuitive for them to get Microsoft to have them as timed-exclusives.
Besides, those are games that will push PS4's in Japan; Sony may not be willing to pay for 3rd party exclusives like how Microsoft has been doing but they would have no issues paying to make sure they land on the PS4 (PS4 needs JP support to sell over there and these games are sure-fire ways to make that happen).
I'm laughing because they are in the shit for, like, the umpteenth time this year. I would laugh if the other Big Two tried to do something like this too, albeit for different reasons.
Neuromancer
Member
These things are generally done in a clearing under a full moon, Phil Spencer naked and dripping with pig's blood.
Chobel
Member
Huh?
Neuromancer
Member
Not really. Any given PS4 owner is a potential Xbox One owner. I wouldn't be going out of my way to piss people off personally but I guess that's why I'm just a normal person and not head of Xbox.
Dragonborn
Member
Obviously making the already large and rapidly growing PS4 fanbase upset is the best way to sell them X1s dude
Do you realize how insane this is? You are saying that Phil has no regard for a massive amount of gamers - in fact, the majority right now - who could potentially in the future buy an XBO or a future Microsoft Xbox product. In what bizarro world do you think this is a smart thing to do? Why is it that some companies can choose not to mistreat massive amounts of customers, but others can't? Why is that you or anyone else feel the need to defend such shitty practices, when you were always going to get the game anyway?
As I said, I'm happy Tomb Raider is going exclusive on XBO, means a chance for the franchise to die now that it has been turned into AAA checklist cinematic garbage. But these posts are just silly.
SEGAvangelist
Member
The amount of melt down that would happen due to that XD! I don't think Square Enix is THAT stupid to pull something like that
Between FFXV stupidly long development cycle (being a PS3 exclusive but now a multiplatform game) and KH3 being closely linked to Sony (with the KH HD Collections ONLY being on PS3).....it would be counter-intuitive for them to get Microsoft to have them as timed-exclusives.
Besides, those are games that will push PS4's in Japan; Sony may not be willing to pay for 3rd party exclusives like how Microsoft has been doing but they would have no issues paying to make sure they land on the PS4 (PS4 needs JP support to sell over there and these games are sure-fire ways to make that happen).
What about North America / Europe timed exclusivity?
bananafactory
Banned
PS4 owner here looking at becoming an X1 owner this fall. I can say he's certainly not helping his cause, at all, actually.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
What about North America / Europe timed exclusivity?
Same result.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Thats true, those games are pretty irreplaceable and have huge followings. People will just wait for them.
Maybe SE is the real winner here 0_0
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
What about North America / Europe timed exclusivity?
All the marketing for FFXIII was basically for the 360 version if I remember even though the PS3 version still outsold it. Wouldn't doubt Microsoft would try something like that for FFXV and KH3.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Writing a letter to Congress now.
SEGAvangelist
Member
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
The irony here is Tomb raider as a franchise has sold much much more than that.
But yeah, Microsoft needed to swoop in and save the series from oblivion. Heh.
sublimit
Banned
Or they could just include the demo code for FFXV in the PS4 version of TR.
Boom.
Phil will make things better on stage @E3 next year when he switches into a Crystal Dynamic T-shirt at the presser.
cripterion
Member
Why do some of you care so much to know the terms of the exclusivity? So either the company does full disclosure or they're considered scumbags?
Swass
Member
Not sure why so many believed differently, so many put all the blame on Mattrick and gave Spencer a pass because he was a "gamer" and said the right things on twitter even though he was right up there in the ranks and probably helped with most of the decisions on the Xbox One.
Neuromancer
Member
I really like the fact that the best game was also the best selling. That rarely happens.
Yup.
The Last One
Member
How can people even consider a possibility of FF XV and KH III being timed exclusive to the Xbox One?
It's ain't dying. New Tomb Raider is badass and old Tomb Raider is for farts like you.
It most likely won't, but this is the best chance I'm ever going to have for the series to be replaced with something that has actual quality gameplay and game design again. It's like a very low odds, but before there was 0% in the near future, now there's like a 5% chance. I'll take any improvement on my odds here, any outlook that means damaging this new fake TR abomination and forcing the company to reevaluate its priorities. I like my platforming with actual challenge, my tomb raider with limited combat engagements, and exploration and trap/obstacle navigation being paramount the same way actual, meaningful puzzle design was.
If that makes me an "old fart", I'm the oldest of all farts. >
StrongBlackVine
Banned
After reading the Tomb Raider story on Tuesday I went from being excited to watch the Xbox conference to not reading or watching anything about what they had to offer.
OverlordSteph
Banned
Sounds pretty cut and tie to me, Its more or less going to be an Exclusive for an extended period of time. You wont invest so much into the production of a game to have it jump ship to another platform a few months after release. The third TR game or close to its development is probably when the exclusivity will end. Will this shift many consoles for the Xbox when it comes to that time, it probably will. The average gamer does not keep up with news like this or joins gaming forums, they just go where the games are and when it gets to holiday 2015 its going to be like.. " oh xbox one gets TR first.. better buy that then" plain and simply.