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[SEGAvangelist]

Can someone tell me if this is coming to the wiiu?

It's coming to 360, so MAYBE!!!

 

[viveks86]

Can someone tell me if this is coming to the wiiu?

Bahahahahahahahahaha

 

[jayu26]

Can someone tell me if this is coming to the wiiu?

 

[cripterion]

No. I was not saying that this is a case where I'd advocate for that action. I am saying we as consumers do have a right to demand things of Microsoft, and we have consequences we can enact when they do not listen to us.

I was responding to the absurd idea that Microsoft doesn't have to answer to us, and has no obligation to. They do, if they want us to buy their products.

Ok misunderstood you in that last post.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

This seems...odd to me. Part of me wonders if this newest development was...shall we say...wrapped up last-minute? It would certainly explain the shift from their vague and confused messaging about the game just a few days ago now to this clear, confident, and concise messaging. Why couldn't they have just said "we are partnering with Square Enix to publish the game and bring it to Xbox One as an exclusive"?

Or was the original muddled message simply because this is Microsoft and they botched their message yet again?

 

[rawd]

Fuck this game , seriously

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Yes because their are no new IP's coming to the xbox. Nope Scalebound doesn't exist, nor does Quantum Break. Figments of the imagination clearly. I know you guys are "mad" about this whole timed exclusive for this one game, but quit with the "they could have been spending money on new IPs" bullshit please? They clearly are doing just that.

I'll admit that this is something I find pretty confusing too. Everyone keeps saying "Why don't they use that money on developing/securing new IP," but they're doing exactly that, and doing a pretty damn amazing job so far. It's like people are flipping the reality of what's been taking place the whole time since they revealed the thing on its head based on a single event and expecting nobody to notice.

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[SEGAvangelist]

Exactly, spencer was very careful with the examples he used, he wants people to question if a SE published game would come out on the PS4

Pretty slick. That's why I want one of those fancy Spencer buttons. He's badass.

 

[Daemul]

Actually that confuses things even more since those are only coming to PC after XB1.

I think then that people are making the assumption that because the game is timed, it means that it will come to every platform. As we see with Ryse and DR3, that isn't always the case.

 

[abadguy]

Someone pointed out in another thread MS had more internal studios than Sony and I raised an eyebrow as they seem to have no first party exclusives...

So I checked.

Microsoft has about 20 studios but, unfortunately, the vaste majority now only work on Kinect or Mobile (with one on indies)... they have basically 5 studios work on actual AAA games and 5 internal game IPs in development (that we know about): Forza, Gears, Halo, Fable, Project Spark.

That's far far less IPs than Sony's first party studios have and have been working on.

Microsoft has outsourced Crackdown, Scalebound etc, similar to Sony with Bloodborne.

Wait i thought the argument was MS isn't investing on new IPs ( again which they are, this is just FACT) now the argument has changed to "they are investing less IPs than Sony" or that they are out sourcing IPs?Sounds like a changing of a goalpost, unless i read your post wrong( in which case my bad.)

 

[Mononoke]

I'll admit that this is something I find pretty confusing too. Everyone keeps saying "Why don't they use that money on developing/securing new IP," but they're doing exactly that, and doing a pretty damn amazing job so far. It's like people are flipping the reality of what's been taking place the whole time since they revealed the thing on its head based on a single event and expecting nobody to notice.

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They are saying why not do that some more, vs taking away a sequel from other games, that has no benefit for X1 owners.

 

[tokyostomp]

Fuck this game/series. Whatever this pans out to be it will be a no-buy for me.

All this crap surrounding a timed exclusive. I don't care if it timed/exclusive/whatever but just lay out what it is.

1. Exclusive to X1/360 during Holiday 2015, coming to PC+PS4 sometime in 2016
2. Exclusive to X1/360 during Holiday 2015, coming to PC (No PS4) sometime in 2016


I know MS doesn't own the damn IP but surely Square Enix/Crystal Dynamics can provide answers since they do but I suspect they are under some sort of agreement with MS which won't allow them to say shit.

 

[licktheenvelope]

Have you heard Blow complain about Braid's development?

He hated that all games needed Achievements. He hated that MS asked for the game to be compatible with SDTVs and have all sorts of requirements for the game to "fit in" with the rest of the XBLA games.

He hates MS because they took Braid and made it look like it was their game (according to him) and he wants to self-publish so he can have the game with his name on it, without needing to pay a massive amount of publishing fees etc.

It is basically Blow choosing Amazon e-books over Woolworths. Sony didn't "offer" him money directly. They allowed him to be entitled to more money his game generates.

Braid was freaking funded mostly BY Microsoft.

Not just achievements... (also where are you finding it was funded mostly by Microsoft???):

During the game's three years of development, Blow put about US$200,000 of his own money into its development, most going towards hiring of David Hellman for artwork and for living expenses

Blow was critical of the Xbox Live certification process, as he believed the effort to meet all the requirements could have been better spent on polishing the game. At the same time, the certification team allowed him to retain certain aspects of his vision for the game that were otherwise contrary to the process, including giving the player immediate control of the game instead of requiring a start-up title screen.[54] Microsoft also requested that Blow include some additional hints to the player based on results of playtesting, but Blow held his ground, refusing to release the game if he was forced to add these.[21] He said he would likely not release a game again on the Xbox Live service under the same business model.[54] Blow later released a Braid theme for Xbox Live; though he wanted to release this theme for free, Microsoft required the theme to be priced at a nominal level.[55]

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Fuck this game , seriously

I would if I could. Big Tomb Raider reboot fan here.

 

[Anticol]

What I am saying is that in the first place, Sony bought up those studios in the first place for their content to be exclusive. Whether the particular game in question was 0% done and they liked the devs track record or the game was 80% of the way there, they spent money for it to end up on their system.

This goes for pretty much all new IP exclusives.

The only difference here is that the general consensus is that Tomb Raider 2 is pretty much already finished? That MS aren't funding development or anything? Perhaps Squeenix went to both Sony and MS, asking for them to fund a game that they don't believe is worth putting their own money into, and MS had the better offer?

Either way, MS by no means SNATCHED Tomb Raider away from Sony fans. They definitely wouldn't be going door-to-door to various devs asking for their game to be exclusive. Even if they were, to say Sony are incapable of doing this and that they never do is preposterous.

What are you talking about, I still don't get it. First you talked about Sony's first party and compared it to SE and MS deal, so you're saying that SE is first party to MS now?,

Later talk about Bloodborne, a game Sony Japan Studio, a Sony's first party studio, is co-developing with FROM soft, and compared it to SE and MS deal. Still totally different situations, I don't see any MS studio co-developing with SE.

Seriously, I know I'm not smart but plz try to be more clear because to me the three situations are completely different.

 

[Sydle]

This seems...odd to me. Part of me wonders if this newest development was...shall we say...wrapped up last-minute? It would certainly explain the shift from their vague and confused messaging about the game just a few days ago now to this clear, confident, and concise messaging. Why couldn't they have just said "we are partnering with Square Enix to publish the game and bring it to Xbox One as an exclusive"?

Or was the original muddled message simply because this is Microsoft and they botched their message yet again?

Phil Spencer, 2 days ago:

"I have Tomb Raider shipping next holiday exclusively on Xbox. It is Xbox 360 and Xbox One. I'm not trying to fake anybody out in terms of where this thing is. What they do with the franchise in the long run is not mine. I don't control it. So all I can talk about is the deal I have. I don't know where else Tomb Raider goes."

Is there a time limit on the exclusivity period?

"Yes, the deal has a duration. I didn't buy it. I don't own the franchise."

Clear as day. A lot of people on GAF chose to ignore, and for some odd reason seem to want to continue playing dumb. I can only guess that it's an agenda for the trolls at this point.

 

[Vire]

Remember how much bickering and fighting there was over Final Fantasy 13 pre-release?...

What a waste of time considering the game fucking blew. Would be amusing if this new Tomb Raider turned out to be a hunk of garbo.

 

[Zok310]

Have you guys seen this. Someone at CD slipped up and used the forbidden word: timed

"Thank you for all of the feedback and questions. There has been a lot of coverage about Rise of the Tomb Raider, and a new round of articles followed Phil Spencer’s Eurogamer interview in which he confirmed that the exclusivity is timed. In case you haven’t read that article yet, you can do so here."

http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/94529480860/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-update

Knowing MS and the crap they are willing to pull, this could have changed since that interview.
"Exclusive, no,no, no we mean timed, no wait we meant exclusive, ohhh nope, nope we meant holiday 2015 exclusive to xbox"

 

[cripterion]

Fuck this game , seriously

Lol

 

[Amir0x]

Remember how much bickering and fighting there was over Final Fantasy 13 pre-release?...

What a waste of time considering the game fucking blew. Would be amusing if this new Tomb Raider turned out to be a hunk of garbo.

it wasn't amusing when the first game turned out to be a hunk of garbo. It was instead heartbreaking

 

[Final Boss]

I think then that people are making the assumption that because the game is timed, it means that it will come to every platform. As we see with Ryse and DR3, that isn't always the case.

But Ryse was published on X1 by MS, TR2 will be published by SE, big difference

 

[Poona]

Why couldn't they have just said "we are partnering with Square Enix to publish the game and bring it to Xbox One as an exclusive"?

Because it isn't exclusive.

It is timed. We just don't know for how long and which other platforms it can appear on.

 

[Faustek]

It's a pretty straightforward business deal between two companies that believe they're doing what's best for their products to be successful. It's unfortunate for gamers, but it's business. The complainers lashing out on messages boards seem to not understand that or feel like their owed some type of make believe loyalty.

I can only speculate, but I think Square and CD are making out like bandits given what we know about the deal which is very little. You can only assume that they're going to see a much higher return on their investment this time around and that MS made that pot even sweeter.

It's MS that's still at the table rolling the dice. CD just have to deliver a quality product and hope their game is well received.

uhm...so as "gamers" we are not allowed to be pissed?

Hey, I watched people yelling at butter for being to salty and no one is trying to stop them from doing that

 

[SparkTR]

I think then that people are making the assumption that because the game is timed, it means that it will come to every platform. As we see with Ryse and DR3, that isn't always the case.

Yeah, I said this in another thread but I'm wondering if Microsoft included that clause that won't allow it to come to Playstation systems. Historically it seems likely, but Tomb Raider has so much history on Playstation systems.

 

[José Mourinho]

Of course MS have no obligation to non Xbox users, however my point stand, they fucked PS/PC users, and that's what I'm arguing here.

Well yeah... But that's exclusivity in a nutshell.

When Sony pay for extra DLC on *insert game here* are they bothered about whether I might like said content on my Xbox? Should they be bothered? The answer is no.

Paying for exclusives -- be it content or IP -- for your users is the same as paying to withhold it from your competition's. One group of people get the benefits, the others get fucked as you put it -- though I don't feel strongly enough about it to consider it being fucked.

 

[licktheenvelope]

Wait i thought the argument was MS isn't investing on new IPs ( again which they are, this is just FACT) now the argument has changed to "they are investing less IPs than Sony" or that they are out sourcing IPs?Sounds like a changing of a goalpost, unless i read your post wrong( in which case my bad.)

I wasn't referring to whatever the original goalpost was. All I'm saying is Microsoft is certainly not developing many new IPs.

They are investing in a few but certainly far far less than they could and probably should be.

 

[SSPssp]

Well, depending on how much MS spends on the development of the game, I guess this could actually be good, depending on how hard up for money Square is.
I just don't know if Square would have short-changed development or not without this deal.

 

[Mr Moose]

But Ryse was published on X1 by MS, TR2 will be published by SE, big difference

I think it originally said MS were publishing it on the Xbox website, which was later changed.

 

[Final Boss]

Have you heard Blow complain about Braid's development?

He hated that all games needed Achievements. He hated that MS asked for the game to be compatible with SDTVs and have all sorts of requirements for the game to "fit in" with the rest of the XBLA games.

He hates MS because they took Braid and made it look like it was their game (according to him) and he wants to self-publish so he can have the game with his name on it, without needing to pay a massive amount of publishing fees etc.

It is basically Blow choosing Amazon e-books over Woolworths. Sony didn't "offer" him money directly. They allowed him to be entitled to more money his game generates.

Braid was freaking funded mostly BY Microsoft.

Didn't Blow say he invested much of his OWN MONEY in the dev of that game in the documentary? Where did you get that info from?

 

[Izuna]

Thumbs up dude, rare to see rational posts like yours nowadays. Console wars have been increasing as of late and I find ridiculous this bandwagon that thinks that MS is evil and Sony is for the gamers . FFS they're both in it for the money.

Unfortunately, as expected, everything Sony does is "legit" while what MS does ranges from "lol desperate" to "ew moneyhats".

 

[Azull]

Hmmmm. I guess you're talking about all the people crying about this exclusivity deal and demanding clarification on why it's not coming out on their platform of choice?

It isn't exclusive!!! Does anybody read anymore!?

That's lovely. You think that Sony is like some sort of University where every creative idea made by its students are property of the University itself?

Let me clarify... Demon's Souls was brought to Sony as an idea that needed funding. They liked it, they funded it, they paid for the exclusivity. Same thing happened to Halo.

Bloodborne is Sony exclusive because Sony wanted their own Souls game unique for their console.

Tomb Raider is MS exclusive because they wanted their "uncharted" game (I hate that this is being said but w/e) unique for their console.

Both games can be ported or made multiplatform if they wanted.

Or perhaps you like to think Hidetaka Miyazaki had NO IDEA what Bloodborne was going to be before Sony asked him for an exclusive game.

First things first, Tomb raider ISN'T EXCLUSIVE. Ok. It's not exclusive, it's a timed exclusive so it will be released on other platforms but it isn't exclusive.


Second of all, you began your argument saying that first party studios of Sony (which is Sony btw) were being payed BY Sony to make the games exclusive to Sony. Like think about that for a second man. Screw everything, screw this tomb raider non-sense, screw console wars and everything. Just focus on what you said and realize how ludicrous it is. You basically said Sony payed themselves off for exclusivity on their own god damn IPs.


Now onto the rest of the words you jumbled up together to think that you would have a peg to stand on.

Bloodborne and tomb raider aren't even remotely in the same situation since (go back to what i said about tomb raider being timed exclusive) Sony is more than likely paying for almost total of development costs of Bloodborne. So the only reason why it's being made is because Sony is paying for it, if Sony didn't give From Software the funds than more than likely Bloodborne would not be a thing and they would probably be working on Dark souls 3.


I seriously can't lay this out anymore clearer for you man, if you still aren't seeing the point I'm trying to get across to you than you're a lost cause.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

it wasn't amusing when the first game turned out to be a hunk of garbo. It was instead heartbreaking

But it gave us Lightning. See, SE knew what we wanted and gave us 2 more games about her. This deal is a blessing in disguise. You'll see it soon enough.

Spoiler

I hated ffxiii and couldn't finish it. I miss the Square and the Enix of old.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

To think, I gave this Dinosaur Sized Prick some praise, not long ago.
This guy is coming off bullshit 101. Bravo. The next time see him speak, I'm going to look for mist emitting from the hole in his face.
I wouldn't even be pissed if you people here own a PS4. Uncharted 4 will more than likely overshadow this game many times over.


Before someone calls me salty, yes, I just had some fries not long ago and I do enjoy sprinkle of sodium on my fried potato fingers.

 

[D i Z]

Have you guys seen this. Someone at CD slipped up and used the forbidden word: timed

"Thank you for all of the feedback and questions. There has been a lot of coverage about Rise of the Tomb Raider, and a new round of articles followed Phil Spencer’s Eurogamer interview in which he confirmed that the exclusivity is timed. In case you haven’t read that article yet, you can do so here."

http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/94529480860/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-update

I've gotta call into question the competence of any company that is using Tumblr as their community hub.

 

[Dragon Puncher]

But this is the million dollar question, explain to who? An why should they feel the need too ?

It's not that it isn't obvious they are obfuscating on purpose to keep people in the dark and "force" gamers who want to be sure to be able to play Rise of the Tomb Raider, to buy an Xbox One. It just seems like terrible business tactic.

Microsoft have been doing everything in their power to rectify the terrible image they got prior to the release of Xbox One. Shit like this piss away the goodwill of the consumers that they're trying so hard to win over.

 

[abadguy]

Remember how much bickering and fighting there was over Final Fantasy 13 pre-release?...

What a waste of time considering the game fucking blew. Would be amusing if this new Tomb Raider turned out to be a hunk of garbo.

I remember more than a few people shitting on the first one. I still have yet to finish it mostly due to not having the time lately, but what i played wasn't all that bad.

I wasn't referring to whatever the original goalpost was. All I'm saying is Microsoft is certainly not developing many new IPs.

[They are investing in a few but certainly far far less than they could and probably should be.

Well to be fair we can speculate but we really don't know how many new IPs could be in development. Spencer has mentioned not too long ago having "unannounced" first party studios working on games, Lionhead's new IP whatever that is going to be and anything else they aren't talking about.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

They are saying why not do that some more, vs taking away a sequel from other games, that has no benefit for X1 owners.

Well, there's only so much you can do. They also need to be careful and don't want to take on full responsibility for something they don't feel is a sure thing, you know? Hence pick a few quality games from quality teams, and then maybe snag a big one like Tomb Raider. It's something they have to be cautious with as always.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I remember more than a few people shitting on the first one. I still have yet to finish it mostly due to not having the time lately, but what i played wasn't all that bad.

It's awesome if you're into tubes.

 

[Quotient]

This whole saga is so amusing, even more amusing is xone owners defending Microsoft's decision. I would be very upset if i owned a xone, microsoft just spent money to prevent the game from being available to another platform, rather than spend money bringing games to the xone.

This TR timed exclusivity sucks for PS4 owners, but the losers in this are xone owners.

 

[Nimby]

They gave an interview explaining their position on the matter. GAF gets upset and demand they speak to the forum personally. Like I said lame ass gamers.

And what does that make you for instance?

I'm an adult, Phil Spencer is an adult, I want to be talked to as an adult. But, we should really learn our place guys. Phil Spencer is the CEO of a mega-corporation and we are filthy scum of the land.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

Phil Spencer, 2 days ago:



Clear as day. A lot of people on GAF chose to ignore, and for some odd reason seem to want to continue playing dumb. I can only guess that it's an agenda for the trolls at this point.

Yes, clear as day...a day after the original announcement. Additionally, that "clear as day" statement didn't say a thing about co-publishing. In fact, his comments of "it's timed" and "I don't control where it goes" seem a bit odd if Microsoft had partnered with them in co-development and co-publishing duties.

Seems to me that Microsoft threw money at the game in a panic some time within the last few days to seal it up. At least, that's my hunch.

 

[RexNovis]

Wanted to quote this since it got bottom page'd and you put a lot of effort into it and it's good stuff.

Thanks for that

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Knowing MS and the crap they are willing to pull, this could have changed since that interview.
"Exclusive, no,no, no we mean timed, no wait we meant exclusive, ohhh nope, nope we meant holiday 2015 exclusive to xbox"

Well their whole thing was to not say the word 'timed' so at least it's out there now.

 

[Sydle]

To think, I gave this Dinosaur Sized Prick some praise, not long ago.
This guy is coming off bullshit 101. Bravo. The next time see him speak, I'm going to look for mist emitting from the hole in his face.
I wouldn't even be pissed if you people here own a PS4. Uncharted 4 will more than likely overshadow this game many times over.


Before someone calls me salty, yes, I just had some fries not long ago and I do enjoy sprinkle of sodium on my fried potato fingers.

Your saltiness is just misdirected.

Spencer confirmed it was a timed deal days ago.

 

[licktheenvelope]

They gave an interview explaining their position on the matter. GAF gets upset and demand they speak to the forum personally. Like I said lame ass gamers.

Unfortunately for Microsoft they try to sell their product to 'lame ass gamers.'...

 

[Final Boss]

They are saying why not do that some more, vs taking away a sequel from other games, that has no benefit for X1 owners.

Which is why this deal is BS. The game was coming out on X1 anyway, MS is paying SE to stop development on the PS4. What good has MS done? Now if they funded a game from scratch that otherwise would not have existed and it only came on X1 no one would be upset.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

Because it isn't exclusive.

It is timed. We just don't know for how long and which other platforms it can appear on.

Today's announcement makes me wonder if it is actually timed. Microsoft is not only co-publishing and co-marketing, but co-developing a timed exclusive? I know Microsoft is desperate, but...

 

[vicoakland]

TR fans want to know what to expect.

It's totally reasonable for someone who purchased and enjoyed TR-DE on a PS4 or PC to want to know whether RotTR will come out on PS4 or PC.

The one thing we do know is RotTR won't come out for Holiday 2015 anywhere but Xbox platforms. If you want to play the game at launch, you will need to buy a 360 or a One.

What's still complicating things is this. The roundabout way CD is referring to Phil Spencer confirming a "timed exclusive" in Eurogamer reads like CD views their agreement such that they are not allowed to talk about this, but MS is.

What that indicates to me is that there's not much chance of that intitial simple question--

Is RotTR coming out for PC and/or PS4 and when?

--being answered conclusively anytime soon.

(ie. It could come out for PC, or not. For PS4, or not. Both/neither. It could be a year, it could be six months. Etc. etc. There's permutations here and I'm sure that folks smarter and more in the know than me can make educated guesses...and they might be right...but bottom line as far as I can see is that we don't know and, in fact, things may still yet change.)

But going back to my first point. It's completely reasonable for a consumer to want to have their questions answered. They may not like the answer they get, and the honest answer may be uncertain, or "we don't know," but none of that invalidates the consumer's initial stand point.

As far as I'm concerned, straightforward transparency would be the best outcome for everyone involved here.

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

No way it does not land on PS4 eventually, if this were a full exclusive they would say so.

They are dancing and talking circles around it.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Fuck this game , seriously

See this is a smart guy. All the complaining means nothing if you guys are still gonna buy it.