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Phil Spencer: MS will spend money on marketing and developing Rise of the Tomb Raider
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Sum-Mischief
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How much money will MS through out there before saying enough is enough? I have an xbox one just about unused. But even if I didn't TR wouldn't be a system seller to me ..
SEGAvangelist
Member
I suppose Blow has been straight forward with why he chose PS4 over XB1 for The Witness (not money he says), but he waited until the ID@Xbox program was announced before even hinting it would come to XB1 later. Has it even been confirmed for XB1 yet? If he wasn't under some type of contract/agreement I'd imagine it would be announced already.
Stare-Bear
Banned
What's next, they're going to list all the consoles TR is not coming to? Just to avoid those horrible words...Coming to PS4 in 2016...
Phil Spencer:"I'm happy to announce that TR won't be coming to the NES, the SNES, the Megadrive, the Saturn, the PS1, the Dreamcast, the PS2, Xbox 1....er..original, Gameboy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy SP, Gameboy Micro, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, Nintendo DSi, Nintendo DSXL, Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo 2DS, Nintendo 3DSXL, nintendo 64, the Gamecube, the Wii, the WiiU, the PSVita, the PSP, the iPad, the iPhone and it definitely won't be coming to OSX. Because fuck Apple and their pretty laptops."
Phil Spencer:"I'm happy to announce that TR won't be coming to the NES, the SNES, the Megadrive, the Saturn, the PS1, the Dreamcast, the PS2, Xbox 1....er..original, Gameboy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy SP, Gameboy Micro, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, Nintendo DSi, Nintendo DSXL, Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo 2DS, Nintendo 3DSXL, nintendo 64, the Gamecube, the Wii, the WiiU, the PSVita, the PSP, the iPad, the iPhone and it definitely won't be coming to OSX. Because fuck Apple and their pretty laptops."
matrixman92
Member
You're in a tread with people complaining about the same thing for days. It's far past the point of taking a step back and walking outside
I am 12 and what is this?
Thats what I have been wondering. Guess they have to be nice because we buy their game consoles lol
Oh lord.
oh so you know MS will make make an exception?
plus there is a difference between an "Indie" and a Major Pub/Dev.
Chobel
Member
But (like 99.99%) MS are the ones who proposed the deal, they knew SE will be fucking PC/PS user and they didn't care... they payed them to fuck PC/PS users. Probably SE didn't even think of doing that until MS proposed the deal.
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About the witness, Blow hates MS.
cripterion
Member
Hmmmm. I guess you're talking about all the people crying about this exclusivity deal and demanding clarification on why it's not coming out on their platform of choice?
matrixman92
Member
Still a chance for NGage FUCK YEAH
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
You was legit shook though right?
If there was no money involved than this is even more clearly not the same thing.
I almost wish this is true just to see SE learn a lesson. But then I think that the ones to suffer the most will be CD, who probably didn't have a say in the matter and if so, deserve better and I hope it sells well. If the golden check isn't enough to cover up the losses from ditching the biggest selling console and pissing off the majority of fans that are on ps4, they'll be the ones on the chopping block and maybe even lead to the canning of the franchise. SE sold millions and yet, didn't met their expectations. Now how on earth did they come to the conclusion that exclusivity would be the solution? This won't end well for them.
MS should have just saved the money to finance new and exciting IPs instead of cock blocking the PS and PC crowd by excluding said parties from getting it. If it's timed, it's not that bad, but full exclusive? It's just disgusting.
Bayonetta was fine, Bloodbourne is fine, Hell, crash bandicoot would be fine since no one wants to do it. But to take a well established franchise who sells millions and snatch it like that sucks. That's not creating value. Like 360s Live. Remove free online and try to pass that as value for the consumer. Ps+ was/is value. Steam sales is value. Stopping people from playing it on other platforms is not creating value, Xbox fans would have gotten the game regardless.
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MS should have just saved the money to finance new and exciting IPs instead of cock blocking the PS and PC crowd by excluding said parties from getting it. If it's timed, it's not that bad, but full exclusive? It's just disgusting.
Bayonetta was fine, Bloodbourne is fine, Hell, crash bandicoot would be fine since no one wants to do it. But to take a well established franchise who sells millions and snatch it like that sucks. That's not creating value. Like 360s Live. Remove free online and try to pass that as value for the consumer. Ps+ was/is value. Steam sales is value. Stopping people from playing it on other platforms is not creating value, Xbox fans would have gotten the game regardless.
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Actually it happened because they could only develop one console version at a time and they liked PS4 specs more. Self publishing had nothing to do with it cause MS allowed that back then if you had already successfully published a game on XBLA before - Braid.
Dragon Puncher
Member
Holy crap microsofts messaging is bad..
I had about a minutes time to wonder about which Sony games where fully exclusive before they just told us at the conference.
Microsoft just threw the "TR coming exclusive for xbox holiday 2015" line into their conference and days later and we're still wondering what the hell that means. The difference is night and day and it's getting ridicules.
I had about a minutes time to wonder about which Sony games where fully exclusive before they just told us at the conference.
Microsoft just threw the "TR coming exclusive for xbox holiday 2015" line into their conference and days later and we're still wondering what the hell that means. The difference is night and day and it's getting ridicules.
Wanted to quote this since it got bottom page'd and you put a lot of effort into it and it's good stuff.
Spannicus has it right, even though he thought he was undermining the point. This is not a goddamn charity. We spend HUNDREDS of dollars on their consoles and sixty dollars per game. We line their coffers and we are allowed not only to demand answers, but changes as well. And when they do not listen to us, we have a right to make their products fail.
Just ask Microsoft how happy they are that they originally went with the DRM scheme and all the other fucks up now that the system is being destroyed in Europe and dominated in the USA as well as every other part of the world.
licktheenvelope
Member
A bunch went into the decision but Sony didn't pay Blow anything:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witness_(2014_video_game)
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Wow.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
This fucking company.
viveks86
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Chobel
Member
Braid was published by MS in XBLA.
licktheenvelope
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DarthWalden
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When are people going to understand that that wasn't bad messaging that was the freaking point
Yes because their are no new IP's coming to the xbox. Nope Scalebound doesn't exist, nor does Quantum Break. Figments of the imagination clearly. I know you guys are "mad" about this whole timed exclusive for this one game, but quit with the "they could have been spending money on new IPs" bullshit please? They clearly are doing just that.
That's lovely. You think that Sony is like some sort of University where every creative idea made by its students are property of the University itself?
Let me clarify... Demon's Souls was brought to Sony as an idea that needed funding. They liked it, they funded it, they paid for the exclusivity. Same thing happened to Halo.
Bloodborne is Sony exclusive because Sony wanted their own Souls game unique for their console.
Tomb Raider is MS exclusive because they wanted their "uncharted" game (I hate that this is being said but w/e) unique for their console.
Both games can be ported or made multiplatform if they wanted.
Or perhaps you like to think Hidetaka Miyazaki had NO IDEA what Bloodborne was going to be before Sony asked him for an exclusive game.
Hahaha. My Argument? The argument that games are being made for profits? And choosing money over "I love this company" is normal? Why the fuck do you think he wants to self-publish his title? So he can refuse to put Achievements in it?
It's weird that you omit these:
Sounds like you want to see it one way and glossed over a lot that doesn't quite fit into your story.
Buying a game currently in development, from their first party studios? What?
They don't buy a game from their first party developers, everything created is already theirs, they own the whole studio, they decide whether games go past the pre-production stage they don't have to buy them. Otherwise as seen with Quantic Dream and Thatgamecompany, they sign prior contracts of so many games that Sony will fund, they then make those games, after which they are free to do as they like.
We know what is going on with pretty much every Sony exclusive to time-exclusive game, they either own the studio, have a contract, or as seen on the Indie side just offer better reasons to launch on PS4 first, that being that they don't have a silly parity clauses that stop them releasing on other platforms.
Swass
Member
100% this. Not sure if making it about the game being exclusive to xbox is a deflection or what, but if Microsoft had been transparent about it being timed or console exclusive there would be barely a peep about it. Sure some would be upset, but it would have been accepted as a business move, but it's this continued deceptive pr speak by Microsoft that is getting under most everyones skin.
Chobel
Member
No, but they gave them the money. i.e They persuade SE to do that, so yeah it mean they also guilty of fucking PS/PC users.
R3TRO
Member
Damn lol
Lone_Prodigy
Member
The game's 1.5 years away. I think they can be a little vague right now.
Psst...it's not about us, it's about our money.
Shyakugaun
Banned
But this is the million dollar question, explain to who? An why should they feel the need too ?
licktheenvelope
Member
They don't have to justify it... I mean we can just keep pointing and laughing at their NDP #'s.... *shrug*
Tough to watch though when the typical thing most gamers ask for is 'don't be ass-hats'.
I'm kind of past the point of caring. I personally will not buy this on X1, even though I have the console. I understand if others don't agree with me on that decision. I also get that some don't agree with my stance (that this business decision is bad for the industry).
But eh. All I can say is, IMO one of the aspects that hurt MS was their tarnished reputation. I really think they made a lot of wrong moves in the last 5 years of the 360. And they also made some major missteps with the X1 launch. I think reputation does matter, and how your company is perceived within the industry is important.. MS has done a lot of work re-launching their brand and spending a lot of time on PR. I think they were heading in the right direction by putting Phil Spencer at the helm (them rolling back some of their policies, and updating the the X1 has also been a big improvement).
IMO this kind of deal is totally counter-active to all the things they've been doing. I really do think this is going to add to their negative reputation within the industry (as it's a deal that hurts a lot of consumers). If this is how MS wants to win this generation, I think they are missing the point and will continue to stumble.
Then again, maybe they'll end up pulling ahead, because people just care about what system has which exclusive. *shrugs* Time will tell. I for one, hope to god that we don't start seeing more and more multiplat sequel sniping. And I say this as someone that owns all the systems.
But eh. All I can say is, IMO one of the aspects that hurt MS was their tarnished reputation. I really think they made a lot of wrong moves in the last 5 years of the 360. And they also made some major missteps with the X1 launch. I think reputation does matter, and how your company is perceived within the industry is important.. MS has done a lot of work re-launching their brand and spending a lot of time on PR. I think they were heading in the right direction by putting Phil Spencer at the helm (them rolling back some of their policies, and updating the the X1 has also been a big improvement).
IMO this kind of deal is totally counter-active to all the things they've been doing. I really do think this is going to add to their negative reputation within the industry (as it's a deal that hurts a lot of consumers). If this is how MS wants to win this generation, I think they are missing the point and will continue to stumble.
Then again, maybe they'll end up pulling ahead, because people just care about what system has which exclusive. *shrugs* Time will tell. I for one, hope to god that we don't start seeing more and more multiplat sequel sniping. And I say this as someone that owns all the systems.
They're an insignificant number for a game of this size. And the hardest of the hardcore fans of the series are going to buy the game regardless. MS is betting that they'll do so on an XBO...
That's actually the point. There are multiple elements to this saga over the past few days, some times it's clearer than other times, other times it's buried in mud, sometimes it's all mixed together... clear in some parts of an article, unclear it yet others.
This is called obfuscation. It is the very reason we on NeoGAF - a very well informed segment of the gaming community - keeps having a billion threads on this subject.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Their goddamn PR is just so stilted, awkward, and badly timed. This console cycle is brutal for Microsoft.
zorlaczerohero
Banned
It wouldn't surprise me if this was a very short time before we see a PS4 version. The exclusivity just for the holiday season on a console that is selling half as much as it's competitor will not be cheap. They'd get the best value out of those who want it during the holidays. Come February or March they'll have sold any consoles they would have done on the back of it. I feel if it was a 6 month or year exclusive they would have shouted it from the rooftops, that may be long enough to sell some systems. They aren't telling us for a reason, logic says that's because it's not a long time.
Relax. Read:
Eurogamer said:
Released the same day (2 days ago) as the article referenced in this thread. Took less than 5 seconds to search and find that article. It's not pretty and packaged like the statement you want, but in less than 500 words it says the same thing, making it clear that it's a timed deal and it's up to SE on what they do with it after that deal has expired. There is absolutely no confusion.
Next time don't rely on GAF for the news. Go find some media outlets you trust and get informed.
Dude, if they hadn t bought this exclusivity you would have ANOTHER new game to play funded by the millions this deal costed. Tr was guaranteed to hit x1 regardless. It s just a waste of money. Thinking is so important, trust me.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
It's confirmed timed...and by not confirming console exclusivity it can be deduced that is coming to PC and PlayStation. We just don't know the exact duration.
Mr Moose
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licktheenvelope
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You're arguing that Sony is paying off these exclusives, they are not... they just aren't acting like jerks.
Microsoft fucked this up bad. Whoever handles messaging at that company should be fired. The deal is obviously just Microsoft paying for an exclusive window and perhaps helping in marketing the game.
They should of just released a video about how the engineers at Microsoft are giving Square and Crystal Dynamics support, even if it's a lie, comment on how Microsoft has been very supportive of the franchise and because of this relationship the game will "debut" on Xbox platforms first. Instead they used the term exclusive improperly, confused and angered fans making both parties look bad.
They should of just released a video about how the engineers at Microsoft are giving Square and Crystal Dynamics support, even if it's a lie, comment on how Microsoft has been very supportive of the franchise and because of this relationship the game will "debut" on Xbox platforms first. Instead they used the term exclusive improperly, confused and angered fans making both parties look bad.