"Competition is healthy" must be the most absurd excuse for people to justify third party exclusive moneyhats.
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Phil Spencer: MS will spend money on marketing and developing Rise of the Tomb Raider
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LOL wow...
Why? Most of the people doing the talking about it aren't Xbox One owners anyway, and were never likely to be.
Xbox One owners are happy that the game is coming to their platform.
Nah, I've heard worse.
matrixman92
Member
But a timed exclusive is still an exclusive. It will be exclusive for the duration of the deal.
Why are you so keen on saying MS can be shitty but we can't be shitty to scale?
Sure they are a company, they want their Xbox division to make money.
I'm a consumer, why should I care? Why not use those means I have to make sure MS hears what I'm saying and does something that benefits me.
More games. Make Their own Drake or Bloodborne, Sunset and Scalebound is a nice step. Do a few more.
Joke?
shinobi602
Member
Nope.
Devilgunman
Member
This is like always online stuff all over again: too much confusion with no straight answer. Seriously Phil, just answer this stupid question
Will it ever come to another system?
If you don't want to answer or can't answer as a part of agreement then shut the fuck up. Don't give out information that confuses public like this.
Will it ever come to another system?
If you don't want to answer or can't answer as a part of agreement then shut the fuck up. Don't give out information that confuses public like this.
No, it's been a clear case of GAF jumping to conclusions and being completely unreachable by the truth. It doesn't help that the people posting it like to use vague or select headlines for click bait. I suspect we still have a few days of this for many. For the really slow ones it's going to be a point of confusion up until the game finally releases on a non-Xbox console.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I think the ire is pointing the wrong way if we don't have an absolute clue or else no one should have said anything.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Yes it does. That's why my money won't be contributing to MS or SE on light of this deal. If they had been more forward about it, SE may have gotten my money, but I'm tired of the BS.
Securing TR for a number of months is not going to put xbox on top... lmfao... you are something else.
viveks86
Member
Uno Venova
Banned
SEGAvangelist
Member
But that forces Sony to moneyhat a third party exclusive, and then MS will get another one, and Sony another one, and on and on and on until they go bankrupt, and then Sega Dreamcast 2 rises from the ashes to usher in a new golden age of gaming. Shenmue 3 at launch is gonna be soooooooooooooo awesome.
Justice_Bolt
Member
What? Please tell me GAF that this guy is joking..
Aww yiss
javiergame4
Banned
are you sure about that? we'll see shinobi. MS wouldn't spend money helping develop for no reason/help market it. If I were spending cash on developing it, I wouldn't want my competitor having access to it. But sure we will listen to your "leaks" which aren't even mostly true the whole time.
whispers
PS. Konami US something something just said as a outro on the stream that all these social channels raving about Suikoden has made some bigger ones look at it more.
Nothing else Nothing more, just looking at it for now
Crimson_Gold
Member
The ghost of Sega past says no. There's no resurrecting it. You've seen what they've done to Sonic. Let the corpse rot
SEGAvangelist
Member
It's coming to Wii U?
Wickerbasket
Member
You sound pretty bitter.
It's OK if it's not exclusive, you can still enjoy the game.
Wii U GOTY edition with added content.
Didn't MS spend a ton of money for GTA IV DLC development that had a 1-year exclusive deal? I believe that DLC ended up everywhere the main game did.
Nightengale
Member
Care to cite this?
Because I can find more occurrences of him being right then him being 'wrong.'
tokyostomp
Banned
I have these questions.
Is it native 1080p?
- Probably not, I don't really care.
Is it 30, 60 or variable FPS?
- I'd love 60!
Did MS force some sort of parity clause after the timed exclusive period?
- I don't have enough trust in MS to think that they would allow for a "superior" version on other platforms.
Is it native 1080p?
- Probably not, I don't really care.
Is it 30, 60 or variable FPS?
- I'd love 60!
Did MS force some sort of parity clause after the timed exclusive period?
- I don't have enough trust in MS to think that they would allow for a "superior" version on other platforms.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Personally I'm not happy with third-party exclusives at all. Hell I'm not even happy that because capitalism I have to buy all consoles for games that could easily exist on the other platforms.
But without it we wouldn't have nice things. I'm just tired of how it is so cool to hate on MS overall.
The incentive of exclusives is what gives up special content that would have existed otherwise for both sides. Timed-content is silly, but both companies do it. New exclusive and funded content is awesome.
The idea that DR3 or KI wouldn't exist because there would be no reason in a one-console scenario sucks.
Take the worst point I said and debate it. Please.
TR blesses the Commodore 64?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Totally in if it's a cinematic 24fps too.
Dsyndrome
Member
I understand why PS fans are upset. Seriously I do. No one likes to think the future of a franchise they enjoy will no longer be on the platform you own.
Though to be fair, Tomb Raider has been practically dead until the reboot. So it's been basically one game so far.
That being said, IF Microsoft paid good money for exclusivity, is paying for marketing, and has pumped money into development... then I don't know why anyone was confused. Phil Spencer literally compared it to what they did with Dead Rising - which was pump money for exclusivity, pay for marketing, and help pay fro development. Given that SE was disappointed with sales for the reboot (despite the fact the sales figures actually looked really good) I am not all too sure they were "looking forward" to crafting a sequel. In fact, given remarks out of SE, I wouldn't be shocked if they were secretly shopping for partners for the game to help with the financial burden so they can make more money off sales by investing less. It seems they invested HEAVILY in the original reboot and didn't like the profit margins.
Obviously I am not going to believe everything Phil Spencer says - just like I don;t believe everything Iwata says or everything Sony folks say. Sure, Phil hasn't seemingly gone wrong with his words YET since taking over, but it;s going to happen. He has a stake in these console wars.
But they have no reason to lie about how much money they pumped into this. Especially since it definitely looks like it is a console exclusive game - and going back and reading all the other remarks about it since being launched, I don't see SE or Microsoft ever mentioning it was a timed exclusive. This seemed to be folks personal interpretation (likely because they can't believe SE would agree to not have Tomb Raider on PS at all). It's also probably coming to PC because Microsoft supports PC gamers better these days. They might as well, given most game with Direct X on a windows platform. Might be a delayed release, but that's been standard for a long time with PC gamers. We're fairly accustomed to it to the point that we might complain, but we can't blame any individual company for it.
I understand being upset. For PS fans it might feel like it would to me if say, Metroid suddenly got yanked and was only going to be on the PS4.
In general though, I am happy with this. I HATE console timed exclusives. I really do. I also hate console specific DLC. If there is going to be a competition here for content, I would rather that competition be for exclusive content. If Microsoft wants to nail down the next Tomb Raider - which if it does well enough they will continue to pay to keep i there - then why shouldn't they? Exclusive content is what sells consoles. Microsoft is trying to scoop up as much as exclusive content as they can get.
I understand being upset if you own a PS4... and it sucks Sony can't pony up for exclusives as much as Nintendo and Microsoft can. Still, hard to get mad at Microsoft. All they did here was increase the value of the Xbox One by locking down yet another big exclusive game for their platform that no one else will get (save PC). Just like they got Dead RIsing, Titanfall, etc. I don't see an issue with this. It sucks, but it's understandable.
I just get the feeling if this was the other way around (Sony bought up exclusivity rights), there would be a lot less bitching. It always feels like (to me) that Sony fans seem to be really hostile and protective. I know all fanboys can be that way, but it seems especially true of sony fans. Sony kicks everyones ass metaphorically in 2013? Sony fans have no problems gloating and trashing the competition. Microsoft does some positives in 2014? Microsoft fans just sit back and enjoy, Sony fans get nervous and contemplate why their console is missing features the Xbox One is getting. Wii U starts to do good - eh, it's still a last gen machine I can ignore.
Microsoft locks down more exclusive games - damn you microsoft you evil whores. I get a weird feeling that Sony fans are starting to feel a bit insecure about their platform and hate that a supposedly "inferior platform" is spending money and building a formidable library of exclusive games.
Not all fans are like this, Just seems to be a general feeling I am getting from Gaf.
Though to be fair, Tomb Raider has been practically dead until the reboot. So it's been basically one game so far.
That being said, IF Microsoft paid good money for exclusivity, is paying for marketing, and has pumped money into development... then I don't know why anyone was confused. Phil Spencer literally compared it to what they did with Dead Rising - which was pump money for exclusivity, pay for marketing, and help pay fro development. Given that SE was disappointed with sales for the reboot (despite the fact the sales figures actually looked really good) I am not all too sure they were "looking forward" to crafting a sequel. In fact, given remarks out of SE, I wouldn't be shocked if they were secretly shopping for partners for the game to help with the financial burden so they can make more money off sales by investing less. It seems they invested HEAVILY in the original reboot and didn't like the profit margins.
Obviously I am not going to believe everything Phil Spencer says - just like I don;t believe everything Iwata says or everything Sony folks say. Sure, Phil hasn't seemingly gone wrong with his words YET since taking over, but it;s going to happen. He has a stake in these console wars.
But they have no reason to lie about how much money they pumped into this. Especially since it definitely looks like it is a console exclusive game - and going back and reading all the other remarks about it since being launched, I don't see SE or Microsoft ever mentioning it was a timed exclusive. This seemed to be folks personal interpretation (likely because they can't believe SE would agree to not have Tomb Raider on PS at all). It's also probably coming to PC because Microsoft supports PC gamers better these days. They might as well, given most game with Direct X on a windows platform. Might be a delayed release, but that's been standard for a long time with PC gamers. We're fairly accustomed to it to the point that we might complain, but we can't blame any individual company for it.
I understand being upset. For PS fans it might feel like it would to me if say, Metroid suddenly got yanked and was only going to be on the PS4.
In general though, I am happy with this. I HATE console timed exclusives. I really do. I also hate console specific DLC. If there is going to be a competition here for content, I would rather that competition be for exclusive content. If Microsoft wants to nail down the next Tomb Raider - which if it does well enough they will continue to pay to keep i there - then why shouldn't they? Exclusive content is what sells consoles. Microsoft is trying to scoop up as much as exclusive content as they can get.
I understand being upset if you own a PS4... and it sucks Sony can't pony up for exclusives as much as Nintendo and Microsoft can. Still, hard to get mad at Microsoft. All they did here was increase the value of the Xbox One by locking down yet another big exclusive game for their platform that no one else will get (save PC). Just like they got Dead RIsing, Titanfall, etc. I don't see an issue with this. It sucks, but it's understandable.
I just get the feeling if this was the other way around (Sony bought up exclusivity rights), there would be a lot less bitching. It always feels like (to me) that Sony fans seem to be really hostile and protective. I know all fanboys can be that way, but it seems especially true of sony fans. Sony kicks everyones ass metaphorically in 2013? Sony fans have no problems gloating and trashing the competition. Microsoft does some positives in 2014? Microsoft fans just sit back and enjoy, Sony fans get nervous and contemplate why their console is missing features the Xbox One is getting. Wii U starts to do good - eh, it's still a last gen machine I can ignore.
Microsoft locks down more exclusive games - damn you microsoft you evil whores. I get a weird feeling that Sony fans are starting to feel a bit insecure about their platform and hate that a supposedly "inferior platform" is spending money and building a formidable library of exclusive games.
Not all fans are like this, Just seems to be a general feeling I am getting from Gaf.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
javiergame4
Banned
good luck on that.
bananafactory
Banned
Will likely look/run better anyway.
PanicFreak
Member
This thread SMH
Lord help us when our generation is in control
Lord help us when our generation is in control
Nightengale
Member
Titanfall had development money and marketing support from MS even when it was still just a timed exclusive.
So, no, we've had historical precedence of MS paying for something that will eventually be multiplatform.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Wow, someone needs to seriously learn how to read.
I'll take "Timed Exclusives" for 600 Alex
Iva Demilcol
Member
We have two actually verified insiders saying it will be on PS4. Would you like to validate your sources for us if you're going to be so authoritarian on the subject?
Ahaha I love shinobi
javiergame4
Banned
and how did that deal turn out? it's not coming out on ps4
Oh I got you wrong. Then in the end you are saying pretty much what I'm thinking.
Sorry to take up your time ^^
a post that pretends to be objective before getting right to the real point: that oh teh nos the forum and gamers are more biased toward Microsoft and would treat Sony differently
PLEASE RETURN TO 2006 NEOGAF. These arguments are fucking tired already
Hitokiri03
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lol I love this gif
