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Phil Spencer: MS will spend money on marketing and developing Rise of the Tomb Raider

Here's what I get when I google Rise of Tomb Raider:

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Looks like lots of people excited for the new game! Now that's how you generate hype for your game!

Heh, Metal Gear
 
In this case, I don't think there will be. I think the next gen game's development is going ahead with no consideration for the last gen system. And the 360 version will be its own game where the dev tries their absolute best to emulate what is happening in the next gen console and PC versions. If they can't make it happen, then they change it as much as they need to in order for it to work. Just because there's a last gen version of the game doesn't always mean the next gen version can't truly take advantage of the hardware. I feel the game is being designed first and foremost for next gen.

It does, almost necessarily, unless two different teams are working on different versions.

And again: If we've got to wait until 2016 for a cross-gen game, it won't be pretty.
 
Things must be getting pretty desperate at Xbox. They ceded every market outside the US to Sony when they designed the One, but I bet they didn't think they'd lose the US as well. I wonder if they'll announce new hardware within the next two years.
 
Things must be getting pretty desperate at Xbox. They ceded every market outside the US to Sony when they designed the One, but I bet they didn't think they'd lose the US as well. I wonder if they'll announce new hardware within the next two years.

i feel like that would only make things worse.
 
Here's what I get when I google Rise of Tomb Raider:

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Looks like lots of people excited for the new game! Now that's how you generate hype for your game!

Heh, Metal Gear

because there are no other news about this game

they just need a mindblowing gameplay reveal and all is forgotten

i give it a few months
 
because there are no other news about this game

they just need a mindblowing gameplay reveal and all is forgotten

i give it a few months

oh man I can't wait to see the epic trailer in which lots of things explode and a bridge collapses the second Lara Croft manages to step off of it! Oh man maybe she'll be drenched in a bathtub of blood this time!

*marks calendar*
 
If it was a full exclusive MS would have said that from the start instead of dodging the question over and over and over again.

Beside PS sells the most in europe as the series always had... SE won't let that chance slip away at all for the franchise sake.
 
oh man I can't wait to see the epic trailer in which lots of things explode and a bridge collapses the second Lara Croft manages to step off of it! Oh man maybe she'll be drenched in a bathtub of blood this time!

*marks calendar*
Great you not into the game. I'm sure you can stop looking into news about it and stop posting into topics about it.
 
the opposite, judging by how dead rising 3 was handled, it will release someday on PC but not on the PS4. so its much worse than what people think, if its true we won't be seeing TB on the PS4 anytime soon.

shinobi said it's coming to PS4, if you want to go on that.

Great you not into the game. I'm sure you can stop looking into news about it and stop posting into topics about it.

Nope. Just as people who love the new TR can post about it forever, I can continue to criticize it in perpetuity. Equal play. Additionally, Tomb Raider is one of my all time favorite franchises, so I have an invested interest in seeing how it all plays out.

So, dealwithit.gif.
 
*gameplay revealed*
Majority of gamers: "Looks good, too bad I can't play it."

That's how it'll most-likely play out.

but they CAN play it

just get an xbox or wait 6-12 months

so far they have halo 5, quantum break and now tomb raider as holiday 2015 exclusives

this isnt the doombox some people are trying to make it be its a great system actually
 
but they CAN play it

just get an xbox or wait 6-12 months

so far they have halo 5, quantum break and now tomb raider as holiday 2015 exclusives

this isnt the doombox some people are trying to make it be its a great system actually

many people do not want the new Xbox One, even if it was 300 or 250. It's not a solution telling someone to scrounge up 300 or 400 dollars for a new platform just to play the few games they actually want on it.

The other solution IS to wait, but that's negative. It just reminds them that Microsoft specifically fucked them for no gain to their audience. These are not actual solutions to the reasons people are mad. People already spend money on a PC, or spent money on a PS4. They should never have had to be surprised that Tomb Raider - a franchise that has always been there - would suddenly be nabbed for a period by a desperate company looking for any way to stay relevant.
 
SenjustuSage, you are positively delusional.

Are you that obsessed with an XB1 game being special that you suddenly don't think a next gen game being designed around 512mb of memory is fundamentally more limited at a design level than a game designed around next gen memory limits? With the fuss you made about the PS4's RAM reserve, I highly doubt it.
 
I know Tomb Raider was well received by a lot of people, but would anyone really buy an Xbox One for Rise of the Tomb Raider?

There will always be a few people. But it'll move the needle almost nothing at all. That's why even from Microsoft's perspective the deal never made sense to me. This is not the series they should have made this deal with if the goal was to make their console more attractive.

It's been a PR debacle since the second it happened.

wapplew said:
Let's think it this way. The game is plan to release on 2016 on all platform, MS pay to let them finish xbox version first, just like PS got to play destiny beta first.
See, much easy to swallow.

Lying to oneself doesn't actually make it any better or change what really happened lol
 
I know Tomb Raider was well received by a lot of people, but would anyone really buy an Xbox One for Rise of the Tomb Raider?

you see this the wrong way. who buys a console for a single game ?

ask this question, whos gonna buy an xbox for halo 5, quantum break and tomb raider ?
 
you see this the wrong way. who buys a console for a single game ?

ask this question, whos gonna buy an xbox for halo 5, quantum break and tomb raider ?

A: nearly the same amount of people who would have purchased the console for just Halo 5 and Quantum Break
 
SenjustuSage, you are positively delusional.

Are you that obsessed with an XB1 game being special that you suddenly don't think a next gen game being designed around 512mb of memory is fundamentally more limited at a design level than a game designed around next gen memory limits? With the fuss you made about the PS4's RAM reserve, I highly doubt it.

It depends though. Forza Horizon 2 for example, is a cross generation game that doesn't sacrifice anything to achieve that fact. The XB1 version is developed on an entirely different engine than the 360 edition, which is being developed on Forza Horizon 1's engine. I'm not sure if that's the case here though.
 
A: nearly the same amount of people who would have purchased the console for just Halo 5 and Quantum Break

so tomb raider is the cherry on top and could, for some people, be the tipping point to buy a console

ms just bought this to bolster their fall 15 lineup
 
It depends though. Forza Horizon 2 for example, is a cross generation game that doesn't sacrifice anything to achieve that fact. The XB1 version is developed on an entirely different engine than the 360 edition, which is being developed on Forza Horizon 1's engine. I'm not sure if that's the case here though.

It's also being developed by an entirely different team, Sumo Digital. We probably would have heard something by now if that was the case with Rise, but I guess there's always a possibility.
 
Its a timed exclusive. All he's doing is muddying the waters because as long as its unclear people will keep talking about it and the Xbox One. You all are playing right into their hands. Just let it go.
 
you see this the wrong way. who buys a console for a single game ?

ask this question, whos gonna buy an xbox for halo 5, quantum break and tomb raider ?

The same people who would buy it for Halo 5 or Quantum Break.

I don't think very many people see Tomb Raider as anything more than decent middling AAA title that's just "there". I'll definitely play it if I can but its not going to significantly impact my decision to pick one platform over another.

so tomb raider is the cherry on top and could, for some people, be the tipping point to buy a console

ms just bought this to bolster their fall 15 lineup

Everyone knows why. People are just saying this deal is stupid because its doubtful it would sway a significant number of people. How stupid it is depends on how much Microsoft is paying Square Enix for this deal. But as of right now, Tomb Raider will not even have close to the same impact as Titanfall, which didn't exactly elevate the Xbox One to heaven.
 
In this case, I don't think there will be. I think the next gen game's development is going ahead with no consideration for the last gen system. And the 360 version will be its own game where the dev tries their absolute best to emulate what is happening in the next gen console and PC versions. If they can't make it happen, then they change it as much as they need to in order for it to work. Just because there's a last gen version of the game doesn't always mean the next gen version can't truly take advantage of the hardware. I feel the game is being designed first and foremost for next gen.

And you know that because?

The only way one would actually know for sure something is being built from the ground up for current gen system(s) is if something IS being built from the ground up for current gen systems and not for last gen systems.
 
Things must be getting pretty desperate at Xbox. They ceded every market outside the US to Sony when they designed the One, but I bet they didn't think they'd lose the US as well. I wonder if they'll announce new hardware within the next two years.

I don't really think it's a case that Xbox is getting desperate, just that the people who are seemingly committed to hating everything about it are getting more desperate as Microsoft takes more steps to either bring various improvements to the platform that have been highly requested by fans through very regular system updates, or takes steps to add more value in other ways by making deals for big titles as they've done with Tomb Raider. Love it or hate it, making a potentially big game a timed exclusive to your platform, and possibly securing some major co-publishing deal on that game, is something that adds value to a console, whether one agrees with the policy of doing such a thing or not.

Each and every time I see people entertaining the completely ludicrous idea of MS introducing entirely new hardware in 2 years time when there's absolutely zero need for such a silly thing, or the classic faux concern for Xbox One owners, I'm reminded of where the desperation truly exists.

And you know that because?

The only way one would actually know for sure something is being built from the ground up for current gen system(s) is if something IS being built from the ground up for current gen systems and not for last gen systems.

Rarely do we know something for sure, but I'd say it's a pretty safe bet considering when it's being released. I'm just guessing, but I'd say it's a pretty safe bet.
 
Love it or hate it, making a potentially big game a timed exclusive to your platform, and possibly securing some major co-publishing deal on that game, is something that adds value to a console, whether one agrees with the policy of doing such a thing or not.

Nope. This point has already been debunked an infinity times, not that I'd expect you to internalize anything that is actually true.

Adding value to console != subtracting value from another console.

Rise of the Tomb Raider was always coming out Holiday 2015 for Xbox One. That's where we start at. So, the only 'value' added was the one in which desperate fanboys add it to a rallying banner of theirs.
 
I don't really think it's a case that Xbox is getting desperate, just that the people who are seemingly committed to hating everything about it are getting more desperate as Microsoft takes more steps to either bring various improvements to the platform that have been highly requested by fans through very regular system updates, or takes steps to add more value in other ways by making deals for big titles as they've done with Tomb Raider. Love it or hate it, making a potentially big game a timed exclusive to your platform, and possibly securing some major co-publishing deal on that game, is something that adds value to a console, whether one agrees with the policy of doing such a thing or not.

Each and every time I see people entertaining the completely ludicrous idea of MS introducing entirely new hardware in 2 years time when there's absolutely zero need for such a silly thing, or the classic faux concern for Xbox One owners, I'm reminded of where the desperation truly exists.
Lol

I'm not really jazzed about timed exclusivity on any platform as far as AAA releases go, unless the company has provided the devs with a cash injection without which the game wouldn't exist. In this case, I understand the business reason Microsoft has for delaying the other versions of the game, but I don't agree that this adds value to my xbox purchase. This was a game I would have been getting anyway, so all this timed deal does is makes me have to either play the inferior version or wait for the better one.
 

As far as when the official trailer says "Holiday 2015"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhGEFLcPHsY&channel=tombraider

As far as where we already know the story but yh I agree the deal was in process at that point meaning there is was no clear commitment to it being a timed exclusive but a multi-platform title as shown again here

My apologies, I should have left out the "when" part. As you mention, Holiday 2015 was always announced.

xbox.com has this (sorry, large image to get it all in without editing):





Looks like a nice little bit of white space there where ROTT could have sat under exclusives...

That goes to my idea about it very likely being "leaning in the direction of being exclusive", as opposed to officially confirmed. Obviously, it'd be pretty silly to 100% confirm it's exclusive when you don't have a deal signed, have the deal fall through, and then have to be like "uh, about that exclusive thing we mentioned? Er, we were wrong". But as long as SE never mentioned any other platforms, and it was only shown at MS' conference, then they can mantain some wiggle room until whatever final deal is signed.

If the fact that exclusivity wasn't confirmed at E3 automatically means it was originally meant to be multiplatform and therefore it was "unfairly taken away" from PS4/PC gamers (even if it was never actually announced that way), then that kinda means pretty much every exclusive game developed by an independent/3rd party developer was at some point "taken away" from others. Numerous independent developers may have cross-platform engines and games running on multiple platforms internally, but that doesn't inherently mean that the final budgeting and release plans are intended to be multiplatform. It's still ultimately just an assumption ("It just feels right for CD/SE to make a multiplatform Rise of the Tomb Raider, even if they never said they're making one!"), unless there are some details of SE's 2015 release plans for PS3/PS4/PC that included Tomb Raider I've missed out on.

And again, it feels weird saying all this, cuz obviously none of us have details of the internal CD/SE/MS discussions about platforms, so I can't pretend like I'm 100% sure either. I just think that it's a possibility. For all we know, CD had the choice to make a 20 million dollar cross platform game, or a 30 million dollar exclusive game, and they felt like taking the extra money to make a better developed and marketed game. They theoretically could've made the game on a lower budget, but they felt the quality would suffer, so they didn't commit to any platform plans. If the talks with MS were successful, they get more money to make the game. If the talks fell through, then they would develop it multiplatform as a fallback, but with the lower budget.

Hell if I know, lol.
 
Man Phil or any PR staff at MS really love the song Spin me right round by Dead Or Alive.

Getting the message across clearly to customers fuck that confusing them is the future
 
Nope. This point has already been debunked an infinity times, not that I'd expect you to internalize anything that is actually true.

Adding value to console != subtracting value from another console.

Rise of the Tomb Raider was always coming out Holiday 2015 for Xbox One. That's where we start at. So, the only 'value' added was the one in which desperate fanboys add it to a rallying banner of theirs.

It actually has not been debunked at all, because you're somehow trying to argue that a timed exclusive on a big title somehow does not add value to a console, and, well, history as well as common sense proves you're absolutely wrong on that point. Just because you want it to be one way doesn't actually make it so. You're actually attempting to say you wouldn't be singing an entirely different tune if Sony announced tomorrow GTA 6 or Batman Arkham Knight is exclusive to PS4 for the first 6 months of release. Now try to tell me with a straight face you wouldn't view that as a major perception "victory" for the PS4 as a platform. If you actually say no or articulate anything that leans towards a no, then you are simply not being forthcoming.

You're the same person that historically went nuclear over the fact that a game that was already coming to the PS3, Final Fantasy 13, was now coming to the Xbox 360 same day and date as the PS3 version. Using your logic, despite the fact that the PS3 had not somehow lost Final Fantasy 13, but now Xbox 360 gamers would simply be able to play and enjoy (or not enjoy as I like to say :P) the same game on release, you had felt it was still enough of a big deal to blow your lid about it and call it the end of Sony. How exactly is the almost exact reverse of that situation: a situation in which such a big title that follows a very successful reboot in 2013 is expected to release on both next gen consoles simultaneously, but now we suddenly learn that it will almost certainly be delayed for an, as of yet, undetermined period of time on one of those systems, not also a pretty big deal in your mind?

How do you square (no pun intended) classifying equal treatment of FF13 on Xbox 360 and PS3 from the previously believed exclusive for PS3 to being this monumental disaster of epic proportions for Sony and an apparent boon for Xbox 360, yet not at the very least also classify Rise of the Tomb Raider going from assumed simultaneous multi-platform release on both systems to timed exclusive on Xbox One with MS co-publishing and spending money on development of the game, and in which the deal has been directly compared to the same one Microsoft had in place for Dead Rising and Ryse (deals we have a much better understanding of at the moment), as something that isn't remotely beneficial to the perception of the Xbox One and a potential setback for the PS4? I just don't get that.

Lol

I'm not really jazzed about timed exclusivity on any platform as far as AAA releases go, unless the company has provided the devs with a cash injection without which the game wouldn't exist. In this case, I understand the business reason Microsoft has for delaying the other versions of the game, but I don't agree that this adds value to my xbox purchase. This was a game I would have been getting anyway, so all this timed deal does is makes me have to either play the inferior version or wait for the better one.

I get that, but for people who will want to play the new Tomb Raider on a next gen system immediately, the Xbox One is their only option. That fact is without a doubt something that has to be seen as an added value to the Xbox One.
 
Pretty much.

"Hey, the game sure looks cool -- Remember when this was supposed to come out on all major platforms? Now all the rage is coming back!"
When was it actually announced for all platforms? The trailer ended with no platform named at all. Quite similar to the silent hills teaser. Are people now also assuming that silent hills comes to all major platforms?
 
When was it actually announced for all platforms? The trailer ended with no platform named at all. Quite similar to the silent hills teaser. Are people now also assuming that silent hills comes to all major platforms?

This is another thing that gets me. This game was never, not once to my knowledge, announced as coming to PS4. It was only just assumed (yes, very safe assumption in today's climate) that it was. Did any official CD or Square Enix person ever confirm that it was coming to PS4?
 
The same people who would buy it for Halo 5 or Quantum Break.

I don't think very many people see Tomb Raider as anything more than decent middling AAA title that's just "there". I'll definitely play it if I can but its not going to significantly impact my decision to pick one platform over another.

So if it's just some random middling game that's just there, take it or leave it, not really a big deal, who cares either way (etc, etc)... why is everyone throwing such a goddamn shitfit over it going exclusive (whether that be timed or otherwise)?
 
So if it's just some random middling game that's just there, take it or leave it, not really a big deal, who cares either way (etc, etc)... why is everyone throwing such a goddamn shitfit over it going exclusive (whether that be timed or otherwise)?

I think it stopped being a middling title once the last game was as good and as successful as it ended up being. I still haven't actually beaten the first game yet, but considering all the buzz around this thing, I may as well get it removed from my backlog. For example, I've seen people say they enjoyed it more than Uncharted, and I can't speak to that obviously because I haven't played enough of it, but I guess we'll see.
 
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