Shimmering is an AA issue, but it's not caused by AA, it's caused by a lack of AA. Post-processing AA solutions are usually pretty helpless in eliminating it, so how bad the shimmering in is just going to depend on how well-sampled the source image is... in this case, the PS4 version was constructed from 40% more samples than the XB1 version, so details in the scene are more precisely captured, so there's less erroneous shimmering.
Digital Foundry - Metro Redux (Console Analysis)
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The first is less forgiving but has a better atmosphere, imo. Last light was really good as well but it plays more like modern shooters, much more forgiving.
CyberPunked
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LiLSnorpSnorp
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The resolution difference (~900 vs 1080p) became very noticeable to me after switching between the Destiny beta on the x1/ps4. If you only own the Xbox, it's something where you really struggle to spot the difference because you don't have a frame of reference to the clarity the 1080p version of the game offers.
It's subjective, and I still find the difference not that huge of a deal, but it is something that you definitely spot if you can see the two hand in hand, and I think everyone would obviously prefer the 1080p version. That's why I'm going to get the ps version over the x1 (most likely) despite having had purchased games like AC for x1 instead if ps4
It's subjective, and I still find the difference not that huge of a deal, but it is something that you definitely spot if you can see the two hand in hand, and I think everyone would obviously prefer the 1080p version. That's why I'm going to get the ps version over the x1 (most likely) despite having had purchased games like AC for x1 instead if ps4
Kssio_Aug
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Yeah, I'm sure youre right. I'm gonna buy it anyway though, I watched the gamersyde gameplay and it looks amazing! =) And 2 such immersive games running with such conditions for 50 dollars is a given.
Scott32020
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Keep in mind there will be "Spartan" and "Survival" modes in both Metro:LL and 2033 Redux. "Spartan" plays more like original Last Light, "Survival" plays more like original 2033.
The lighting only makes a drastic difference in a few specific areas and what it has on consoles still looks good. Worth it for 60fps.
I have played Kojima games.
When you remove features and effects you can close any gap.
RyanPierre
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I think using the light bar to emphasize your current visibility to the enemy sounds pretty cool actually.
Was a joke.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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I don`t mean crushed blacks and sharpening filters.
Again. When i started playing TLOU R i immediately noticed that the picture balance (contrast/brightness/gamma/colours) were different to all other PS4 games i played to this point. All other games (Killzone, inFamous, Wolfenstein, AC, TR DE) had a similar mixed picture and looked really nice and sharp. They looked right.
But TLOU R was different: Colours looked slightly desaturated, contrast to gamma ratio was very weird and the game wasn`t as crisp as infamous or TR DE(and that one even uses FXAA = additional blur).
Now with the media to Redux i see exactly the same. It looks slightly soft for an 1080p output, colours look desaturated, contrast/gamma ratio isn`t looking optimal... thats the reason why i said its like Sony released a new dev tool update with a different default picture setting for new PS4 games.
Maybe its just the compression, we will see, but the picture balance looks damn close to TLOU R, and i was not a fan of that colours/contrast/gamma mix.
theDeeDubs
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It just feels shoehorned in like they used to do with the six-axis when the PS3 first came out, to me anyway.
huh? you saw the resolution difference right?
That is what is called a joke.
it's really hard to tell nowadays
Paired with an I7 though which is leaps and bounds better than the PowerPC cores of the 360/PS3.
It's obvious you won't achieve similar results with exactly the same specs as a console,"more" is necessary but I'm interested to know how much.
It would be great if we could get precise information about graphical presets used on PS4/XBO and try to run the game as close as that on PC.
For some reason I suspect 4A Games will not shed light on this, the screenshots in the DF gallery aren't flattering. It's definitely not very high even without tessellation.
Seems plausible.
Dictator93
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I would guess at High/ Very high without any tesselation (Excluding volumetrics of course). Metro LL scales quite well on single GPUs.
navyguy734
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Who cares as long as they play well. to be honest if your that worried about fps and resolutions you would get yourself a monster PC, because in reality the ps4 and x1 both can barely hold full 60fps and 1080p on the games that due...and yes i put x1 because they even a few that.
FYI i own both systems so i have not pref, but the worry over 900 to 1080 should be shifted to the gameplay, to the story, to the replayablity, micro transactions ect ect
I've never played Metro or even seen any footage of it, this webm just seriously impressed me.
You are in a comparison thread though. It's understandable this is main point of discussion.
alexandros
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And more comparisons
Metro 2033 PC YT
Metro 2033 Redux IGN YT
Yikes. That's quite a difference.
Always had a feeling DF is screwing with PS4 shots to make them look softer and now I have confirmation.
Previous article when not comparing to X1.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-metro-redux
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar.../2/PS4_005.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
This one when comparing to X1.
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar.../6/PS4_001.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
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Previous article when not comparing to X1.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-metro-redux
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar.../2/PS4_005.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
This one when comparing to X1.
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar.../6/PS4_001.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
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That would be off topic. Topic of this thread is framerate/ resolution (PS4 vs XboxOne) Digital Foundry article/video...or Am I getting this wrong?
navyguy734
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This is false, i own both systems and played destiny for both, the difference is not very noticeable in actual gameplay, most things are not very noticeable during gameplay...which is why DF has tools and other ways to pick games apart.
You are also comparing the destiny before the patch to take advantage of the power it was given because of the resources taken from the kinect. Thats like everyone comparing the ps4 and x1 diablo now....there is a patch that will fix a issue with the ps4 version. Just another fanboy, because if everyone pref 1080p then you would be a pc gamer...ps4 has how many games that have a solid 1080p and 60fps? exactly, and i think people would obviously prefer solid frame rate over the 1080p.
statham
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no its not.
HD 3000 has similar performance bracket combined with i7 to past gens. Its maybe 50-70gflops better, but thats about it. Its not 2 times.
And that automatically disproves Your quote.
That looks like it's mostly a difference in gamma and/or colour balance.
Yeah I would prefer Volumetric Lighting over 60 FPS, in a slow atmospheric game like this it's not all that important.
But oh man, the butthurt in this thread. Oh noes somebody gets to enjoy a game as much as me, my superiority complex is going down the drain!
SMOK3Y
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thanks man
That is surprising to me, why would he make such claims then ?
What about Carmack who believes likewise ?
I'm primarily a PC gamer but to my mind there is no question that consoles are more efficient. That's why I think a solid mid-range machine (I5 3470/GTX 760) will be necessary to be on par with the PS4 on games built from the ground up for it.
Maybe I'm just naive.
Dictator93
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It makes sense for such for last generation DX9 games (and only in certain scenarios), but with DX11 and low-draw call scenarios... it should be pretty much hardware parity I imagine.
sure it is
CitizenCope
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May be a joke but I'm thinking third party games will be nearly identical going into the 2nd and 3rd year of this gen. Only first party Sony games will take full advantage of what's under the hood. Trust me I don't like this as only a PS4 owner.
alexandros
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Come on guys, this 'coding to the metal' thing again? The consoles and their games have been out for some time and that mythical console advantage is nowhere to be found. Let's not go into this again.
Dictator93
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Nah, the GPU advantage in the PS4 is obvious. Does not require any sort of "special tuning."
Rather, the x1 requires specific tuning due to ESRAM.
Raitosaito
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Are we already claiming this after only 9 months into a console life cycle?
Hard to see when its a multi-plat game as surely they will not optimise as much as you would with a single platform specific game, just a guess though this 2x as powerful is silly.
FairXchange
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It's not a magical excuse, but I believe it is reasonable to argue that developing for one closed platform is a benefit to optimization and can allow for unique ways to improve performance.
Dictator93
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We have known for a while from dev documentation and PDFs that the metal advantage this gen is quite quite difference from last gen. Especially now that mantle, Open GL, and DX11.2+ exist.
Of course, but how far this goes is the question. This gen, it does not go as far. There is also the common misconception of "optimization" and "quality degredation."
Alright. I was under the impression that DX11 was still a very heavy API hence the desire for something leanier like Mantle/DX12.
Over brighten can make things look soft but why did DF only apply it to the PS4 version? As you can see the contrast in the X1 version is very similar to the older PS4 shot. Regardless what's being done, everything in the newer PS4 shot looks blurrier than the older one.
Dictator93
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Of course!
In specific scenarios it definitely is overly heavy (draw calls and some multi-GPU scenarios). Definitely.
But most games even on console do not take advantage of these extreme scenarios (100,000 draw calls).
Because, they are talking about specific implementation of algorithms and dx9, not full games.
There is not a single game in last 10 years that required two times more performance on PC in comparison to console in similar setting. Not a one.
I...I'm sorry. I didn't want to open a can of worms.
My question is genuine, I don't want to derail the thread or anything.
So, according to you what PC are we looking at for PS4-equivalent settings in 8th games ?
Am I just too pessimistic with my earlier estimation ?
My question is genuine, I don't want to derail the thread or anything.
So, according to you what PC are we looking at for PS4-equivalent settings in 8th games ?
Am I just too pessimistic with my earlier estimation ?
That is true from my experience hence why I was curious.
Dictator93
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This gen has a ways to go... but it has been shown that a 7850-7870 can run similarly at PS4 like settings.
Especially when Ryse comes out we will know more about the x1 equivs. But the PC release of Dead Rising 3 has shown that 720p lower settings (x1 settings) requires a pretty low end GPU.