HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
Yeah man..movies like The Exorcist and Halloween are only made to entertain 10 year olds.
Giant Bombcast - 08/19/2014
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Yeah man..movies like The Exorcist and Halloween are only made to entertain 10 year olds.
I don't agree with Jeff's opinions on horror for the most part, but I do agree with him thinking reactions like in that Patrick gif and the thing they showed at the press conference are fucking stupid and I hope that's just because the know there's a camera there and are playing it up (even unintentionally) like all the facecam shit on Youtube.
Ok that's some serious smack talk from Jeff regarding horror that can't go without a test.
He *needs* to sit down and record a session with PT in a dark room wearing headphones and I will guarantee that he will be scared. It's bs to be Mr. Big Man saying that he doesn't understand the point of horror in movies and games. Has he never been immersed in a game or movie?
He *needs* to sit down and record a session with PT in a dark room wearing headphones and I will guarantee that he will be scared. It's bs to be Mr. Big Man saying that he doesn't understand the point of horror in movies and games. Has he never been immersed in a game or movie?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Or people react to horror differently because fear is a primal and unpredictable reaction.
Or people are just stupid poopy buttheads. Who knows!
I sort of agree with Jeff in the sense that games purely designed to invoke a specific emotion in people (in this case, fear) usually lose me very quickly. There are extremely one-dimensional that way.
Thankfully, there is horror stuff like Silent Hill, Project Zero and others who aim for and accomplish much more than that.
Thankfully, there is horror stuff like Silent Hill, Project Zero and others who aim for and accomplish much more than that.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
What I found funny about the whole conversation is if Brad had just played past the part he is talking about he wouldnt be scared anymore. He would be frustrated just like anyone else that plays (played) the demo without any assistance. Trying to complete that picture without getting clues from the community is almost impossible. After the big jump scare I spent an hour looking for what to do next..and anytime that fucking ghost popped up I didnt give a fuck. Fuck Lisa.
But thats besides the real point which is Gerstmann being his usual contrarian self. The first 15 minutes of P.T. is very effective tension building. Does he think everyone is just exaggerating how uncomfortable they feel while playing it?
But thats besides the real point which is Gerstmann being his usual contrarian self. The first 15 minutes of P.T. is very effective tension building. Does he think everyone is just exaggerating how uncomfortable they feel while playing it?
Mookie1515
Member
A thing I need to always remember about Jeff is that he is a mechanics guy, at the end of the day. When he goes into his rant about horror, it reminds me that immersion is always something that is on the bottom of his list when he talks about what makes a game, or anything, good.
Take Majora's Mask for example. Honestly, what do people really like about it at the end of the day? The way it presents emotions like despair, loss and dread. And yeah, the mechanics are kinda wonky, but most people look past them for the super engrossing experience.
And Jeff absolutely hates it. And that's his prerogative, I sometimes really like how Jeff is much more in tune with what makes a game fun to actually play.
Take Majora's Mask for example. Honestly, what do people really like about it at the end of the day? The way it presents emotions like despair, loss and dread. And yeah, the mechanics are kinda wonky, but most people look past them for the super engrossing experience.
And Jeff absolutely hates it. And that's his prerogative, I sometimes really like how Jeff is much more in tune with what makes a game fun to actually play.
Scary experiences are great. Majora's Mask is the best game of all time. Fuck Jeff Gerstman.
Patrick says he gives his honest reactions and isn't trying to play things up for the camera.
I believe him.
Baron_Calamity
Member
They aren't but being freaked out over films as an adult makes no sense either. I can watch a good horror film and enjoy it while never been scared.
I do appreciate Rorie making an appearance on the bombcast, but I kind of compare him to a fancy mexican food place: good, but sometimes you just want Taco Bell, because its perfect food.
And by Taco Bell I mean Dan. Yes, this is me making a real dumb joke about wanting Dan to be on the podcast always. Also: Mario Party 24-hour extra life marathon...????? (The answer is yes)
And by Taco Bell I mean Dan. Yes, this is me making a real dumb joke about wanting Dan to be on the podcast always. Also: Mario Party 24-hour extra life marathon...????? (The answer is yes)
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Good on you big guy for not being scared.
Don't you feel adult now for reacting differently compared to other people who aren't like you?
Your (and Jeff's) "I don't find this scary so nobody should" attitude displays an unsettling lack of understanding of human emotion.
backflip10019
Member
This is the issue I have now, too. Seems like half of the gaming talk in the most recent podcasts has been reserved for shitty mobile games.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
The one time where he hit the desk and pictures started falling down was better though.
edit: damn, was hoping that someone gif'd it, but it's 47 minutes into this.
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/spookin-with-scoops-06-06-2013/2300-7461/
SatelliteOfLove
Member
They've had that effect on player counts and behavior in MMOs, I know that much.
To me, you can't MAKE something compelling. It either is, isn't, or you can prepare your outlook for it going in to be potentially receptive to it.
Baron_Calamity
Member
But it isn't the lack of emotion. Its not real. Real things scare me. Things on the screen don't. It isn't real enough to trigger the fright response. I think there is a part where when the audience is being observed or a part of a large group, there is a need to overreact
Did you play P.T.? I think I'd be impressed if someone didn't feel anxious playing the beginning parts of that game, when I had thought that horror games or movies would never faze me, myself.
It's no more silly than getting an emotional response from characters that aren't real and events that never happened in a drama, or feeling excitement from watching a kickass action movie even though the outcome is predetermined and no one is actually in danger.
SlowRevolution
Member
jeff's refusal to show fear, or love, makes me move him up my giant bomb dad ranking a little bit.
Zombie James
Banned
Haven't listened to the podcast yet, but did Jeff play it and wasn't scared or is he saying it's not scary just because?
cr_blah_blah
Member
Jeff has argued a bunch of times in the past that even changing your environment and playing with the lights off is a dumb thing to do for horror games and he won't. He's the wrong kind of person for horror experiences.
He didn't play it, and complained about / made fun of people who find anything in any form of media scary.
Being an internet tough guy.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
To jeff, fear is a choice.
It's so lame. I typically enjoy off topic discussions but wrestling is just the worst.
Zombie James
Banned
I find this point of view dumb. Changing the environment to better the experience, especially when it's as simple as turning off the lights and turning up the sound, is one of the best and easiest ways to make horror games more engaging.
Frustrating. He could at least try the damn thing first before speaking about it like he knows what he's talking about.
Not just a fearaphobe, but a fear denier. Monster.
I usually appreciate his dumb opinions, but he's wrong on this one.
I'm now playing ingress. my life is so hollow.
So people don't get scared watching horror movies at home?
I think there is a need in you to dismiss something a lot of other people do naturally.
DigitalRicket
Member
Me too. Even though Dan's been great so far, it's not the same without Vinny.
Dan is definitely the Vinny substitute and these threads require a status marker for his presence. As for Rorie.... gawd.... my life....
LoganNotABoganYouKnowIt!!
Neo Member
why do horror games scare? let's say in the case of Clock Tower, there's dread, and in P.T. ... dreading jump scares.
fearing that jump makes sense to me. the tension builds as you worry about that moment appearing.
i guess with a pyramid-head type, there is still that sudden appearance factor. but then what's the reason to fear their killing of you? i don't think it would be fear to return to a checkpoint.
so maybe the abruptness is always what is feared. even when you can see a threat, there's always a chance you'll escape. and that chance suddenly being taken away from you is what you're constantly concerned about.
well, i haven't played any of the games referenced, other than a small amount of P.T.
fearing that jump makes sense to me. the tension builds as you worry about that moment appearing.
i guess with a pyramid-head type, there is still that sudden appearance factor. but then what's the reason to fear their killing of you? i don't think it would be fear to return to a checkpoint.
so maybe the abruptness is always what is feared. even when you can see a threat, there's always a chance you'll escape. and that chance suddenly being taken away from you is what you're constantly concerned about.
well, i haven't played any of the games referenced, other than a small amount of P.T.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You might as well ask why people can laugh, cry, get angry at or feel happy about stuff in fiction. Mostly because people can be empathetic to depictions in fiction or relate to that fear.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
I like Rorie, you guys are jerks.
GB-GAF = unofficial Rorie fan club, forget the haters
Let's be honest here. If Jeff tried it, he'd come back and report that he got bored ten minutes in and turned it off.
This. I miss the movie podcasts he did.
Dan is amazing. People are just mad because he thinks anime is dumb.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Dunno if believe Jeff claim that he has never been scared by a fictional work of horror when he has admitted past instances of a game disturbing him.
And he hates mustard.
Or you could maybe open your mind up and give it a chance. I'm not here to say it's the most interesting and best thing in the world but video games are pretty dumb too.