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Legend of Korra Book 3: Change |OT| SCHEDULEBENDING
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bearythebear
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Now to wait and see how Nick fucks with Season 4 
Admiral Woofington
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All I asked for was one episode similar to the beach episode of ATLA of just the four of them hanging out. To be fair though, Azula and crew were a bit less evil evil evil evil than these guys so it worked for them. Azula was simply not mentally stable, psychotic and power hungry but with a twisted sense of humor. Zuko was an anti-hero in search for redemptio. And the other two girls were basically just following Azula around, largely because they were all together as friends and because they feared her.
Now to wait and see how Nick fucks with Season 4
Wait... you're not excited for a new villain to appear and Korra to say, "Well, I'm the Avatar so I gotta do something" or "I'm the avatar, it's my job", or "Where were you when I fought X"
I can't wait for season 4. It should be like every season before... full of answers.
WrenchNinja
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Yknow, I'm kind of disappointed that that one Guru Laghima quote that was allegedly going to be in the episodes was never spoken. It was a pretty good quote.
I was once asked what it means to enter the void. I will tell you. An airbender may meditate for a hundred years trying to detach herself from the world, but she cannot do it. Humans cherish human life, and by that they are bound to this world.
"The only way to abandon the world is to abandon one's humanity. New growth cannot exist without first the destruction of the old. The void is found in the sowing of death. From that death springs life on the wind."
"The only way to abandon the world is to abandon one's humanity. New growth cannot exist without first the destruction of the old. The void is found in the sowing of death. From that death springs life on the wind."
Seeing how pressed for time they were in the first place it is kind of amazing they accomplished as much as they did. Shorter run time on top of a shorter episode order could have been a recipe for a disastrous cluster fuck of a finale. I feel we got enough insight into the Red Lotus and their motivations without sacrificing the overall pacing of the series. Pretty much every minute in this season has served a purpose.
Cloud Strife
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Nailed it.
Thank goodness for her character development next season.
Getting sick and tired of the I'LL END YOU/I'M THE AVATAR stuff. Looks like she's been grounded heavily although you'd think it might have happened earlier as you said.
Yeah his reaction wasn't really a surprise watching it and was consistent with what how I perceived the character, I only really noticed it because the earlier love declaration scene was a good example of the kind of heavy handed exposition that comes with the show. A cast size/episode count problem I guess, and harder to leave characters/relationships ambiguous or alluded to in a show targeted at a young demographic (or so writers assume?).
I also think there is little things they could do. I said this earlier, but like...take for instance Zaheer and P'Li. We know early on they are a couple (because they kiss when he breaks her out). But we don't see like ANY interaction from them all season long. I mean, I get it..they have goals and plans, and are all about business. But even like...animation of them being near each other. Even like little tiny scenes where she's comforting him, or he's confiding in her. ANYTHING. I'm not even talking full episodes.
So them having that moment in the finale where they are deeply in love, and Zaheer tells us he thought about her every day in prison..it's just there to service the moment she dies. It's just there to tell the audience, their love is actually pretty deep, so when she dies it's a big moment for Zaheer. And to some degree, it works. In that, we now know someone really close to Zaheer died. But it doesn't work emotionally for us, because it all feels superficial and not fleshed out. That's not the bigger issue with it though. The bigger issue is that it's supposed to be tied to Zaheer and him letting go of all his earthly attachments. That it's supposed to be this really hard thing for him to do. At least to me, it would have been more of a big moment, if we saw how deep this relationship was between them, and still see Zaheer able to cast that off. It would have made his ability to detach himself more crazy, and would have shown us the depths he was willing to go.
So them having that moment in the finale where they are deeply in love, and Zaheer tells us he thought about her every day in prison..it's just there to service the moment she dies. It's just there to tell the audience, their love is actually pretty deep, so when she dies it's a big moment for Zaheer. And to some degree, it works. In that, we now know someone really close to Zaheer died. But it doesn't work emotionally for us, because it all feels superficial and not fleshed out. That's not the bigger issue with it though. The bigger issue is that it's supposed to be tied to Zaheer and him letting go of all his earthly attachments. That it's supposed to be this really hard thing for him to do. At least to me, it would have been more of a big moment, if we saw how deep this relationship was between them, and still see Zaheer able to cast that off. It would have made his ability to detach himself more crazy, and would have shown us the depths he was willing to go.
Anyways, to bring this back to what you said...
I kind of think a flashback episode with the Red Lotus would have been better then that one Off air-nation episode where they are training. Anyone else agree? Or nah...
I actually quite liked the air nation training episode though. To be honest, I thought this season was pretty perfect front to back. There wasn't any moment that I thought felt wasted (at least in my opinion). I guess just in hindsight, I think it would have been better for the end plot, to have had more time with the Red Lotus. Especially since we have Book 4 to do stuff with the air nation.
EDIT: I always have to bring this up, but...while it's okay to have these criticisms, realistically..they are so time constrained by the 13 episode order and 22 min episode format. So even though I have criticisms of this, I really don't know how they would be able to do any of these things within the short amount of episodes they have. It's really difficult.
That's why I'm willing to give certain things a pass, because I kind of know this is what can be expected given the limitations.
I don't get the whole hostage situation....
Why didn't they have the airship at the place where Zaheer was and have Korra at the temple? They could tell her that he has no hostages and she could enter all Avatar State and destroy. What will they do now? Go off and murder the air benders. The air benders were already in the process of escaping... I made a better plan in less than a second.
You do realize that would never work.
Why would Zaheer even agree to those terms. He has the hostages after all and it would have resulted in the execution of 99% of the new Air Nation.
Side note, I wanted to apologize to you for earlier. I was actually at a doctors appointment and was on my phone. I legitimately had no idea what you were talking about, and thought you were saying I was saying something..I wasn't saying! I didn't realize until after the fact that my initial post was poorly worded. So that was all on me that others didn't understand what I said. Still, no excuse for the aggressive exchange. Won't happen again. Hope we can move past things and be friends.
Ah, no biggie. Glad we were able to sort out that business.
The hostages were inside guarded by Ming-Hua and Ghazan. That "better plan" would not have worked at all.
Zaheer said for Korra to meet him at the rock place. He wasn't going to bring hostages. They could have sent the airship without Korra and radio once they've confirmed there were no hostages. Korra could have went into the air temple and beat Ghuzan and the other chick. 2 down, 2 to go. Zaheer would have to rethink his strategy if he wanted to continue. The air benders hostages were useless now since he doesn't have the other 2 heavy hitters. If Zaheer brought a hostage with him it would be different, but he did say the hostages were at the air temple. : /
They WERE at the Air Temple. Bolin, Mako, and Asami were sent to retrieve the hostages, while Korra was sent to Zaheer.
I also think you are overestimating Korra's abilities against a master lava bender and a crazy water chick.
I also think you are overestimating Korra's abilities against a master lava bender and a crazy water chick.
victreeb3l
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Where is that quote from? Sounds pretty cool.
That meditation sequence always gives me chills in a good way.
"Let go of your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind"
"Let go of your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind"
So badass.
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So what's the deal with that one soldier who shows up in the last episode and is given a name, but then she neither does something nor appears again?
The quote was from a tumblr user who had leaked an episode early. Turns out he made those quotes up.
Book 4, darling
Admiral Woofington
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seems like she'll return for a bigger role later on and they're introducing her right now. Just like Bumi only had like a three second showing the first season where he makes rooster noises. Unlike others who think she'll be evil, I'll throw my hat in and say that she'll travel with some of the airbenders, possibly Tenzin, to give him back-up during their UN world police fuck yeah stages.
Yeah, so it ended up being fake. What's strange is, I believe the quote was initially said to be in "The Ultimatum" (unless my memory is wrong). But then it never happened. I just assumed the leaker meant it was in "Enter The Void"...given the quote is about entering the void lol. But nope, wasn't in there either. Then it never showed up at all. Too bad, really cool quote!
Seems to be set up for Book 4.
I assume that showing her + the them speculating Red Lotus members could be anywhere, she'll be a member of the Red Lotus. That is 100% speculation though. She could just be a new character that will be important next season.
Did you forget suffocation?
Well I'll be. They did it. I didn't think it was possible but they did it. Korra got a great season finale.
That was intense and Korra at the end was really gripping. I liked all the nods to
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That was intense and Korra at the end was really gripping. I liked all the nods to
the Aang and Ozai fight too, it was so obvious but cool
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bolin lava bending was weak as hell. Shit was insane when Toph figured out metal-bending but Bolin just holds out his arms and then goes "well gosh golly I'll be!"
it would have been SUPER cool if Lavabending was earthbending + using waterbending forms as that would have harkened back to Iroh who practiced waterbending to redirect lightning.
it would have been SUPER cool if Lavabending was earthbending + using waterbending forms as that would have harkened back to Iroh who practiced waterbending to redirect lightning.
Thats just air bending though
And "metal" bending is just earthbending for purified earth. Bloodbending is just bending of water inside a person's blood. Both are still earth and water. Following the rules of the Avatar universe, I mean. It doesn't have to change the form of the bending to be an ultimate technique.
What about pressure? Like theoretical detonate or crush someone with an near-vacuum.
She can enter the Avatar state at will and become super powerful. The Avatar State is peak Avatar power. Aang defeated Ozai easily while in the Avatar state and he was using Sozin's Comet. These two would get roflstomped so fast Toph Beifong would feel the vibrations.
Even when weakened by poison she was stomping them.
In a writing standpoint, they would never let her just go into the Avatar state just to take out two Red Lotus members. Ever.
I'm sorry, but I'm glad you didn't write the scenario for Into The Void.
Uh... she went Avatar to leave the blockaded southern water tribe. They're pretty loose on its usage. She used it when playing games with the kids.
This was a dumb plan to get him to fly. It felt like a run of the mill action movie where they wanted Zaheer to fly so they made a situation in which it could occur.
WrenchNinja
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The avatar state has been poorly used throughout legend of korra. As a defense mechanism it never actually works when it should and when she should be using it, she never does. Bryan and Mike never should have written in her gaining complete control of it in book 1.
Didn't we also agree that astral projection is a form of air bending? Still kind of fuzzy on that. Didn't Jinora say it was? Or she implied it? I was always kind of confused if what Jinora was doing, is something anyone would a deep spiritual connection can do. Or if it's an actual sub-bending ability of the air element.
Yeah, I really don't know anymore. *shrug*
Everything seems so handwavey when it comes to Season 2.
Admiral Woofington
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Astral Projection seems to be an asspull thing that all of a sudden it's given to airbenders imho. I don't see how as anybody who is spiritual enough should theoretically be able to do it.
IsntChrisL
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Overall, I thought this season was better than the last. Although the 2 flashback episodes in season 2 were fucking fantastic and really redeemed the season for me. Neither top season 1 for me though. Season 1 set things in a direction the show has yet to really follow. What happened to all of the flashbacks of Aang and the gang?
I also don't think we've received a villain as interesting as Amon yet. Zaheer could have come close but I don't think we got to see enough of him, honestly. I felt like this season wasn't as long as the writers needed/wanted it to be.
I'm also getting pretty nervous about this being a nickelodeon property at this point. What the creators have gotten to do on nick has completely been the exception, as opposed to the rule. I just hope that there's a big shot at nick that is a big fan of what these guys are doing.
If you think about the way he's flying, it's pretty impressive. It's complete control and it essentially opened the door for DBZ fights in season 4 (hopefully it's done better/shorter than DBZ though). Besides, what else could they have done for air? Adjusted the temperature of the air? Anything else just seems too similar to the extended abilities of the other elements. And flight is pretty cool, imo.
I also don't think we've received a villain as interesting as Amon yet. Zaheer could have come close but I don't think we got to see enough of him, honestly. I felt like this season wasn't as long as the writers needed/wanted it to be.
I'm also getting pretty nervous about this being a nickelodeon property at this point. What the creators have gotten to do on nick has completely been the exception, as opposed to the rule. I just hope that there's a big shot at nick that is a big fan of what these guys are doing.
If you think about the way he's flying, it's pretty impressive. It's complete control and it essentially opened the door for DBZ fights in season 4 (hopefully it's done better/shorter than DBZ though). Besides, what else could they have done for air? Adjusted the temperature of the air? Anything else just seems too similar to the extended abilities of the other elements. And flight is pretty cool, imo.
Admiral Woofington
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Zaheer and gang for many reasons, one being that he was a threat to benders when he couldn't bend to begin with.
Only Amon or his troups, too? Does he at least get his core members, Sato and the Lieutenant?
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So apparently that one woman Zuvira is voiced by Zelda Williams.
Agreed. There is zero reason it should be limited to airbenders.
Its basically a subset of energy-bending.
Admiral Woofington
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somebody else how awkward that makes it if Zaheer makes a return, seeing the VA's comments on suicide and Robin Williams. What a dick.
Yeah, it was pretty jarring, if you think that keep it to yourself, it almost was as if he was wanting some sort of attention.
Just Amon. Only field. Who wins?
I say Amon because he just blood bends them all and takes it away and lulz at the way home.
unknownstranger
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Sad that Ghazan is dead. He had the most personality of a villian since Zuko in season one of ATLA.
The Silver
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Thats basically what Zaheer did to some extent. Now they just need to figure out how to do it the opposite way.
I think Zaheer became as light as air sort to speak.
HypnoDarkrai
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Yeah I wanted him to leave the Red Lotus and properly teach Bolin Lavabending.
Jinoraaaaa. Yosh.
Good finale. The only bad thing is that once again, Asami got ignored like some no name side character. That part where she takes down one fodder guard watching the captured airbenders was suppose to be her big moment I guess...bleh. I swear, the original show never treated its core cast so terribly. Even Suki, who has tacked on the team at the last moment, was given a significant role all the way to the end. Sadly, Book 1 Air is the only one that kept Asami relevant all the way to the finale. Now? She might as well be New Team Avatar's secretary. Naga and Pabu are probably the only ones below her. Jinora might as well officially join, as it's guaranteed she would be utilized better.
Also, I'm glad everyone was wrong about Suyin being in on it. That would have been such a boring a obvious twist to pull, especially after the 2 previous seasons revolving around a evil sibling theme.
All in all though, great Book. Congratulations Korra. Finally had a season that didn't suck. And now for the wait for Book 4...
Good finale. The only bad thing is that once again, Asami got ignored like some no name side character. That part where she takes down one fodder guard watching the captured airbenders was suppose to be her big moment I guess...bleh. I swear, the original show never treated its core cast so terribly. Even Suki, who has tacked on the team at the last moment, was given a significant role all the way to the end. Sadly, Book 1 Air is the only one that kept Asami relevant all the way to the finale. Now? She might as well be New Team Avatar's secretary. Naga and Pabu are probably the only ones below her. Jinora might as well officially join, as it's guaranteed she would be utilized better.
Also, I'm glad everyone was wrong about Suyin being in on it. That would have been such a boring a obvious twist to pull, especially after the 2 previous seasons revolving around a evil sibling theme.
All in all though, great Book. Congratulations Korra. Finally had a season that didn't suck. And now for the wait for Book 4...
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