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[MagiusNecros]

Dark Pit and Lucina being clone characters makes sense since one is cosplaying and the other is a mirror image.

Most clone characters are acceptable. Only one that isn't is Ganondorf. With him Sakurai just took a cheap cop out path since the Melee rush outing and went with it basically saying "people are already too used to my crappy version of Ganondorf so deal with it".

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I mean, I again point out that Sakurai gives characters their own slots if they differ.

So I'm assuming some people will prefer Dr. Mario and Dark Pit's playstyles.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Why are people so afraid of this leak being possibly true? People are bugging out of their minds over this.

Seriously. Its more than I ever hoped for. Lucina, Robin, Villager, Rosalina, Koopalings, Duck Hunt, Palutena, Mega Man, Pac Man, only two cuts from Brawl, I am seriously just SMH at everyone hating on it weather it be because "b-b-b-but no Ridley, Mewtwo, or K. Rool" or "lol Dark Pit" when Dark Pit is a completely different character from Pit in his games. (Tho he'll probably be a clone, theres nothing wrong with clones. Wish there was more.)

Most people dissapointed seem to forget all the characters revealled before this leak and think that theres still like ten characters left when we are less than a month out. SMH!

 

[SenorArdilla]

Ganondorf's going to stay a clone? That's bull.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

Seriously. Its more than I ever hoped for. Lucina, Robin, Villager, Rosalina, Koopalings, Duck Hunt, Palutena, Mega Man, Pac Man, only two cuts from Brawl, I am seriously just SMH at everyone hating on it weather it be because "b-b-b-but no Ridley, Mewtwo, or K. Rool" or "lol Dark Pit" when Dark Pit is a completely different character from Pit in his games. (Tho he'll probably be a clone, theres nothing wrong with clones. Wish there was more.)

Most people dissapointed seem to forget all the characters revealled before this leak and think that theres still like ten characters left when we are less than a month out. SMH!

FIVE cuts from Brawl. Wolf, Lucas, Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur.

 

[Ryce]

The leaked roster without DLC is terrible, but the leaked roster with the five DLC characters is better than anything I've ever imagined.

 

[IntelliHeath]

 

[Spinosaurus]

So I'm assuming some people will prefer Dr. Mario and Dark Pit's playstyles.

Yeah, that's me. Mained Doctor Mario in Melee, and I actually don't like using Mario much at all in comparison. Obviously might not be the same case here, so we'll see.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

Also, I think Shulk doesn't have that popularity factor that all the other characters have. Sure Xenoblade is great but its the first of its kind and will probably garner a larger audience in the future but for now lets keep it down in the basement in chains.

I agree.

As much as I love Xenoblade, I'm afraid he's not popular or unique enough to get in.

EDIT: Dammit just three weeks.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

The leaked roster without DLC is terrible, but the leaked roster with the five DLC characters is better than anything I've ever imagined.

The leaked Roster + the potential Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo, and Chorus Men would make up for the 6-Cut-Atrocity.

And Smash 4's roster would be the best Smash Bros would ever get if we got the above AND cut veterans as DLC.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Still waiting for that rumored August Direct.

 

[IntelliHeath]

The leaked roster without DLC is terrible, but the leaked roster with the five DLC characters is better than anything I've ever imagined.

Yeah, it was weird to see Ice Climbers being gone from the roster. I understand Konami's situation with Snake tho.

 

[Durden77]

Shulk/ROB makes more sense, I think.

Hah, that could potentially be very funny. R.O.B. does have a face, so Shulk could get confused...

Or just make it Snake, R.O.B., and Shulk! Fuck it! So much greatness could be had with all three of these guys.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Still waiting for that rumored August Direct.

Was it rumored or was someone just hoping for one?

 

[Bravetriforcer]

Still waiting for that rumored August Direct.

Hah, that could potentially be very funny. R.O.B. does have a face, so Shulk could get confused...

Or just make it Snake, R.O.B., and Shulk! Fuck it! So much greatness could be had with all three of these guys.

The Unlikely Soldier

The Vindicated Robot

The Confused as Fuck Seer.

I like it.

 

[Macka]

Seriously. Its more than I ever hoped for. Lucina, Robin, Villager, Rosalina, Koopalings, Duck Hunt, Palutena, Mega Man, Pac Man, only two cuts from Brawl, I am seriously just SMH at everyone hating on it weather it be because "b-b-b-but no Ridley, Mewtwo, or K. Rool" or "lol Dark Pit" when Dark Pit is a completely different character from Pit in his games. (Tho he'll probably be a clone, theres nothing wrong with clones. Wish there was more.)

Most people dissapointed seem to forget all the characters revealled before this leak and think that theres still like ten characters left when we are less than a month out. SMH!

I find it kind of weird that you aren't able to empathize with other people's disappointment. You like the roster - the characters revealed appeal to you. That doesn't mean it's going to be the same for everyone though. Nobody's being over-the-top here, either. Some of us are disappointed that their favourite character didn't make it in, but I haven't seen many people say they wouldn't buy the game over it.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Was it rumored or was someone just hoping for one?

Hoping for one since there's one every two months. Unless that Hyrule Warriors Direct counts as the bi-monthly general Direct.

 

[Caladrius]

3DS I guess prototype
(Left is the prototype, right is retail)

The left one was shown when the 3DS was revealed and was an actual, playable thing running on the 3DS. You could control Snake during the first part of the Virtuous Mission up until you pass the bridge.

No one knows why it turned in to what appears to be a less-capable PS2 port, but the popular theory is Kojima got enamored with the Vita and MGS3DS went from being an in-house KojiPro remake to an outsourced...thing while Kojima focused on the Fox Engine and MGS HD.

Disappointing. Seems like it had a chance to become the definitive version of the game.

The promised time approaches

Rejoice, my countrymen!

Was it rumored or was someone just hoping for one?

Hoping

All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy
All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy
All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy
All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy
All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy

 

[Bravetriforcer]

Hoping for one since there's one every two months. Unless that Hyrule Warriors Direct counts as the bi-monthly general Direct.

I don't see how it could since it wasn't general.

Unless Ganondorf is universal.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

Was it rumored or was someone just hoping for one?

Just wild speculations. I'd say it's about time, it's been more than two months since the E3, and we haven't had a full Direct since february.

 

[Not75Drops]

I agree.

As much as I love Xenoblade, I'm afraid he's not popular or unique enough to get in.

EDIT: Dammit just three weeks.

Well popularity hasn't stopped any character before and while I've never played Xenoblade, people seem to have listed lots of different ways the Monado(?) can work.

 

[PadWarrior]

Too bad that's only for Japan

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Dr. Mario as a slot character is kinda inconsequential, since he's probably about as hard to make as an alt costume (maybe, he'll have a new B-move, but I doubt his animations would be changed.) I wouldn't see his potential inclusion as pushing out another potential newcomer.

 

[BakedYams]

Although some of us are waiting for the US version, I can't wait for all the characters to finally be revealed. I know Ganon has to be in, lets hope the same is for Ridley and K. Rool!

 

[Durden77]

The Unlikely Soldier

The Vindicated Robot

The Confused as Fuck Seer.

I like it.

R.O.B. could show up with Snake to help with bringing down the Metal Gear. Which would be perfect because it would play on the vindication theme like crazy, especially being on a team with Snake, and it would mirror the MK II relationship in MGS4.

Then when the Mechon appears, they both can't bring it down. Cue Shulk, who then attempts to attack R.O.B. after dealing with the Mechon cause FACE.


ARRRRGG HURRY UP TIMMMMEEE!!!

 

[georly]

I wonder if we'll get a smash puzzle and when it'll be.

If sakurai directed the smash puzzle and included people not yet revealed, maybe it'll be after launch.

If it's based on the boxart reps or characters already revealed, we could get one any second now.

I'm hoping it's a full roster puzzle, personally, so I'll gladly wait until after launch, if we get one at all.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Although some of us are waiting for the US version, I can't wait for all the characters to finally be revealed. I know Ganon has to be in, lets hope the same is for Ridley and K. Rool!

Too bad that's only for Japan

I'm not getting japanese game. I just want to know full roster. That's all I need. I will have other countdown just for US and EU

 

[Starphoenix]

The leaked Roster + the potential Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo, and Chorus Men would make up for the 6-Cut-Atrocity.

And Smash 4's roster would be the best Smash Bros would ever get if we got the above AND cut veterans as DLC.

Eww, I'd rather have the latter two in addition to Ice Climbers, Wolf and Lucas, which coincidentally straightens out the roster the best of all the options.

 

[trutrutru]

I saw some posts earlier about how some feel this game has no edge game. False.

Edge hogging does not equal edge game. Not that its even gone. If you watch one of the team matches from san diego comic con, Bill trinnen gets edge hogged by one of the pro players.

Trinnen was Rosalina, tried to get back on stage, one of these guys was using PIT, he jumped down and grabbed the ledge before she could and she died. Its just super strict now.

but besides that. The new edge mechanics are meant to enforce earning your kills. You actually gotta go out there and intercept. What we saw at the san diego tournament was people playing it safe because they are new to the game.

Once people stop wanting to try and play it like melee, you'll see that the focus on intercepting in order to get kills will make for a much more exciting game. This is definitely the intention. Your not suppose to wait for the opponent to come back and knock him off again and again. Your suppose to chase them out.

An example of this being the intention for the edge game is Fox's recent change. He can now sideB without being put into a falling status. Meaning he can sideB out there, attack, then use sideB again to help him make it back to the stage.

or the villiager, who can ride his fire hydrant thing out to get out there without using a double jump, attack, double jump and upB his way back when he's done.

Its risky. But the reward is a kill. Edge game is alive and well. People just arent playing it right cause its so early. Game isnt even out yet.

 

[PadWarrior]

I'm not getting japanese game. I just want to know full roster. That's all I need. I will have other countdown just for US and EU

That's true, knowing the whole roster in 3 weeks is awesome.

 

[Durden77]

Eww, I'd rather have the latter two in addition to Ice Climbers, Wolf and Lucas, which coincidentally straightens out the roster the best of all the options.

I would much rather have the vet DLC with Chorus Men. While those newcomers would be great, I'm more concerned with the vets. Snake, Ice Climbers, Wolf, and Lucas is way too much to miss. and it'll never feel complete with all of them missing to me.

 

[SmithnCo]

Too bad that's only for Japan

Too bad that 3DS hack thing won't seem to have region unlocking at launch and probably won't by the time Smash comes out...

 

[georly]

That's true, knowing the whole roster in 3 weeks is awesome.

Full, non-DLC roster

Too bad that 3DS hack thing won't seem to have region unlocking at launch and probably won't by the time Smash comes out...

I assume that even if it did, it wouldn't support eshop downloads, so you'd need to import a cartridge which could take up to a week, if not longer, so you might as well wait the 3 weeks for US release :/

 

[Beelzebufo]

Full, non-DLC roster

Depending on how things pan out, we might already know that too lol

 

[Starphoenix]

I would much rather have the vet DLC with Chorus Men. While those newcomers would be great, I'm more concerned with the vets. Snake, Ice Climbers, Wolf, and Lucas is way too much to miss. and it'll never feel complete with all of them missing to me.

I'd much rather have Mewtwo over Solid Snake (if we are limited to five DLC characters, which I don't believe).

 

[georly]

Depending on how things pan out, we might already know that too lol

We're guaranteed to know the full, non-dlc roster in 3ish weeks. We're not guaranteed to know the dlc roster, too. We could, just not guaranteed.

 

[User 73706]

All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy
All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy
All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy
All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy
All leaks and no new characters makes Cal a dull boy

Read that as calladuty boy. Kinda works?

 

[Durden77]

I'd much rather have Mewtwo over Solid Snake (if we are limited to five DLC characters, which I don't believe).

Wonder what the deal is with Mewtwo anyway. He was the only character to have a question mark on the initial leak roster posting. Weird.

Anyway I think he'll probably make it in regardless. Probably.

 

[SmithnCo]

I assume that even if it did, it wouldn't support eshop downloads, so you'd need to import a cartridge which could take up to a week, if not longer, so you might as well wait the 3 weeks for US release :/

Also the cart is pretty damn expensive. There goes that potential plan.

Only like three weeks though, not too bad.

 

[Beelzebufo]

We're guaranteed to know the full, non-dlc roster in 3ish weeks. We're not guaranteed to know the dlc roster, too. We could, just not guaranteed.

Oh, definitely! I'm just saying we might know both on Monday if we get a leaked render for a veteran.

 

[SaikyoBro]

R.O.B. could show up with Snake to help with bringing down the Metal Gear. Which would be perfect because it would play on the vindication theme like crazy, especially being on a team with Snake, and it would mirror the MK II relationship in MGS4.

ROB as MK II is such a hilarious idea in my head, I would laugh so hard if there was actually a nod to that in a trailer or screenshot.

 

[Mysterious]

FIVE cuts from Brawl. Wolf, Lucas, Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur.

No just Squirtle and Ivysaur. DLC counts ya know.

 

[Azure J]

I saw some posts earlier about how some feel this game has no edge game. False.

Edge hogging does not equal edge game. Not that its even gone. If you watch one of the team matches from san diego comic con, Bill trinnen gets edge hogged by one of the pro players.

Trinnen was Rosalina, tried to get back on stage, one of these guys was using PIT, he jumped down and grabbed the ledge before she could and she died. Its just super strict now.

but besides that. The new edge mechanics are meant to enforce earning your kills. You actually gotta go out there and intercept. What we saw at the san diego tournament was people playing it safe because they are new to the game.

Once people stop wanting to try and play it like melee, you'll see that the focus on intercepting in order to get kills will make for a much more exciting game. This is definitely the intention. Your not suppose to wait for the opponent to come back and knock him off again and again. Your suppose to chase them out.

An example of this being the intention for the edge game is Fox's recent change. He can now sideB without being put into a falling status. Meaning he can sideB out there, attack, then use sideB again to help him make it back to the stage.

or the villiager, who can ride his fire hydrant thing out to get out there without using a double jump, attack, double jump and upB his way back when he's done.

Its risky. But the reward is a kill. Edge game is alive and well. People just arent playing it right cause its so early. Game isnt even out yet.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes how stupid the Fox Illusion change will be. He might not get Melee techs or even Brawl's ridiculous up smash strength/up air, but his combo game is going to be decent and everything dies at a high enough percentage anyway.

Hell, with D1 suggesting that land canceled shines (N64 Fox tech involving instant shines as you leave the ground from a jump) potentially being a thing, he might not even lose shine/reflector shenanigans in the end.

 

[Xpike]

I agree.

As much as I love Xenoblade, I'm afraid he's not popular or unique enough to get in.

I remenber how popular Mother 3 was when Lucas included in Smash.
Same with Ness, Ice Climbers, ROB, Game & Watch, Zero Suit Samus, Marth, Roy, Pit, Palutena, Olimar, Captain Falcon, etc.

 

[Fandangox]

I'm not getting japanese game. I just want to know full roster. That's all I need. I will have other countdown just for US and EU

This is my situation as well.

I want to know if Shulk is in or not already ;-;

 

[BakedYams]

I saw some posts earlier about how some feel this game has no edge game. False.

Edge hogging does not equal edge game. Not that its even gone. If you watch one of the team matches from san diego comic con, Bill trinnen gets edge hogged by one of the pro players.

Trinnen was Rosalina, tried to get back on stage, one of these guys was using PIT, he jumped down and grabbed the ledge before she could and she died. Its just super strict now.

but besides that. The new edge mechanics are meant to enforce earning your kills. You actually gotta go out there and intercept. What we saw at the san diego tournament was people playing it safe because they are new to the game.

Once people stop wanting to try and play it like melee, you'll see that the focus on intercepting in order to get kills will make for a much more exciting game. This is definitely the intention. Your not suppose to wait for the opponent to come back and knock him off again and again. Your suppose to chase them out.

An example of this being the intention for the edge game is Fox's recent change. He can now sideB without being put into a falling status. Meaning he can sideB out there, attack, then use sideB again to help him make it back to the stage.

or the villiager, who can ride his fire hydrant thing out to get out there without using a double jump, attack, double jump and upB his way back when he's done.

Its risky. But the reward is a kill. Edge game is alive and well. People just arent playing it right cause its so early. Game isnt even out yet.

Basically. The game is fair now in a sense. Even though the speed is slightly gone, it may fare better nowadays.

 

[J-Tier]

DLC for the 3DS is likely Non-DLC for the WiiU version. So a few characters were held back so that there'd be an enticing reason to get the WiiU version besides simply having different stages/modes.

 

[SaikyoBro]

The leaked roster without DLC is terrible, but the leaked roster with the five DLC characters is better than anything I've ever imagined.

I'm in the same boat and that's why I'm hesitant to say I want one thing or another. I'm really worried that the pictures were real but the DLC part was made up, misinformed or outdated. I don't want to go into the game thinking "well, they'll be DLC sooner or later, so all the cuts are okay I guess" but then that never happen.

 

[Drago]

The leaked roster without DLC is terrible, but the leaked roster with the five DLC characters is better than anything I've ever imagined.

I pretty much agree. I wouldn't go so far as to call it terrible without DLC but those cuts really hit me hard. Lucas, Snake, and Wolf were some of my favorites
With DLC, the roster is amazing. Sure it's missing my most wanted character but I never truly thought he'd get in anyways. Aside from that it's way better than I expected. Shame about no third DK rep though.

The stage selection on the other hand is downright awful. That so many big franchises are represented only by old returning stages is a crime.

 

[emb]

I saw some posts earlier about how some feel this game has no edge game. False.

Edge hogging does not equal edge game. Not that its even gone. If you watch one of the team matches from san diego comic con, Bill trinnen gets edge hogged by one of the pro players.

Trinnen was Rosalina, tried to get back on stage, one of these guys was using PIT, he jumped down and grabbed the ledge before she could and she died. Its just super strict now.

but besides that. The new edge mechanics are meant to enforce earning your kills. You actually gotta go out there and intercept. What we saw at the san diego tournament was people playing it safe because they are new to the game.

Once people stop wanting to try and play it like melee, you'll see that the focus on intercepting in order to get kills will make for a much more exciting game. This is definitely the intention. Your not suppose to wait for the opponent to come back and knock him off again and again. Your suppose to chase them out.

An example of this being the intention for the edge game is Fox's recent change. He can now sideB without being put into a falling status. Meaning he can sideB out there, attack, then use sideB again to help him make it back to the stage.

or the villiager, who can ride his fire hydrant thing out to get out there without using a double jump, attack, double jump and upB his way back when he's done.

Its risky. But the reward is a kill. Edge game is alive and well. People just arent playing it right cause its so early. Game isnt even out yet.

Edgehogging seems to be very close to useless now though. I remember one of the invitation players saying they did it once.

I enjoy the kills where they go out there and get 'em, but I think the new edgehog thing + Brawl's edgesnap puts too much recovery power in the hands of whoever's coming back. We also still have multiple air dodges for some reason, so if you're able to get to them it basically turns into a 50/50 on if you can bait it out or not.

I feel like the game is negatively impacted by some of the edge changes, but I'll grant you that it might just turn out different, rather than worse. As with anything, we'll have to wait and see.