Holy Order Sol
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Not that I don't like the self-awareness, but the best way to steer him away from that would be for him to re-unite with the remaining members of D12.
Rap God is back... New Eminem album "SHADYXV" - Black Friday, 2014
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DA GAWD
PhoenixDark
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New track is trash as expected. It's like he overthinks these simple ass beats and ends up off beat every time with that ugly stop-start flow that sucks the momentum out of his music. And speaking of beats...dude could get any producer on his album yet constantly selects these low tempo pop rap tracks, I don't get it. Em is a hip hop head who listens to everything, yet seems completely divorced from hip hop when he records (outside of Dre, Khalil, and Mr Porter). Alchemist is his fucking DJ yet he won't do a track with him.
Pretty much.
hillsighed
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Man, people still listen to and like Eminem at this point? I just do not get it.
I hear all of these tracks he puts out now and they are just bad. Even the super popular ones like Love the Way You Lie, Not Afraid...ugh. Atleast he got away from those stupid accents though. I guess I've been spoiled by stuff he used to put out. I can't stand anything from him after 2003, but I'm just stuck in the past I guess.
I hear all of these tracks he puts out now and they are just bad. Even the super popular ones like Love the Way You Lie, Not Afraid...ugh. Atleast he got away from those stupid accents though. I guess I've been spoiled by stuff he used to put out. I can't stand anything from him after 2003, but I'm just stuck in the past I guess.
Preach it.
funny that his last good album used accents all through it, Recovery and MMLP2 may have ditched the accent but boy were they terrible albums.
Well, he probably is up there. And XXX is better than anything Eminem has released for a long time. You sound like you've come straight from the Youtube comments section.
GraveRobberX
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I'm enjoying it, it's on loop on my iPod Touch
Love the Sia hook, wish it was Rhianna singing it though
Love the Sia hook, wish it was Rhianna singing it though
I can tell I'm not living in the primary continuity when someone asks for Rhianna over Sia. My life is a spinoff right now.
RANT WARNING! RANT WARNING!
Christ, not another one of these songs. We get it, the media was up in a frenzy over your lyrics over a decade ago, but you were really just trying to express yourself, and you're the voice of anyone who's going through a hard time in their lives. Insert inspirational chorus here.
Fuck, Eminem's first three albums are so good. And say what you want about the next three, at least he was continually trying to do new shit. MMLP2 was so bland though; it was basically just a continuation of the Recovery style, with a few exceptions.
I think Eminem's life has finally settled into normalcy, and as a result he doesn't have jack shit to talk about anymore except the past. I wish he'd make a concept album or something.
Also, how much easier is getting with every year to appreciate Relapse? That album practically sounds like a legitimate artistic work compared to the pop-rap drivel he's released since. Seriously, just go back and listen to it. The production is awesome, even on corny shit like We Made You. And Em raps like an idiot savant on it.
Discotheque
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i always forget about alchemist being close with eminem until i watch a video and he's in the background.
like wtf. you got a god-level producer in your entourage and you're rapping over these dogshit generic beats.
eminem's so dusty.
SolidChamp
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You do realize that the process usually works the other way around? They discuss the creative concept behind a song, the producer comes up with a beat (or several) or goes into his backlog to see which random beats he has just sitting there that were never used, then the lyricist/mcee/rapper decides on a beat that inspires them creatively, scribbles down their lyrics, and then goes into the studio to record over the chosen beat.
It's really, really difficult for these guys to work the other way around. That's giving them a little too much credit.
It's mostly just Eminem's fault for the creative decisions behind his more recent production, which really started to take shape around the Eminem Show.
To be perfectly honest, I'm of the rare opinion that his first album is his absolute best. It's a satirical concept album that works insanely well with the kind of rugged, underground inspired beats he needs to go back to.
Holy Order Sol
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lol why did those people even bother listening to it
block tower
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did he ever? it seemed like he was suburbanites rap version of Good Charlotte or something lol
If the most "successful rapper" can get away with this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDJDhVkRhtQ
What does it say about the music and its fans?
Holy Order Sol
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aaaand we're done
cobragt4001 is reborn
cobragt4001 is reborn
PhoenixDark
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Not even close. He's horrible now and not even in the same ballpark as Kendrick Lamar lyrically. Honestly as much as I shit on Drake even he's making better music than Eminem.
Smooth Operator
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Even drake is a better rapper than Eminem nowadays.
Vicetrailia
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Yeah, I gotta say that Eminem is terrible now. He's simply boring.
SillyEskimo
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Lots of kings mentioned in this thread as a comparison to Eminem, but why be a king when you can be a god?
He's the best rapper out there but rap has gone downhill since the 80's -> early 90's IMO. I don't know if anyone will ever top him in the foreseeable future.
He's the best rapper out there but rap has gone downhill since the 80's -> early 90's IMO. I don't know if anyone will ever top him in the foreseeable future.
Smh I'm good. The Eminem Show was the last album where em was a beast on. Everything after that is pretty much recycle bin playlist.
It's like dude card been pulled with his tired gimmick and he's trying to do some infinite shit. Too late in the game to be doing some super lyrical tongue twisters shady...
It's like dude card been pulled with his tired gimmick and he's trying to do some infinite shit. Too late in the game to be doing some super lyrical tongue twisters shady...
block tower
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what are you talking about?? Eminem has been mediocre since his debut. he had one, maybe two decent albums. the only reason he picked up any steam is because Dr.Dre marketed the hell out of him as a "white rapper" to suburbanites who didnt really listen to hiphop. Eminem is a master at nothing in regards to hiphop, his lyrics are mediocre, his flow is whack, and his beats for the most part arent catchy or interesting. by you saying Eminem is "god" ill just go an assume you likely dont listen to hiphop. its like the same thing for Kendrick Lamar now a days, he's the black Eminem. non-hiphop heads constantly roll him out as some great hiphop artists and savior, when he's ok at best. Kendrick's about one single a way from doing a Rihana collab lol.
Except he's not. Kendrick put out an arguable modern classic and has been putting out great guest appearances. Say what you want about Drake being "soft", but his non-album cuts and introspective tracks, as well as his guest verses and albums have been very good. Kanye, should never be left out of the conversation, as while he is an egotistical asshole, his rapping has gotten exponentially better since The College Dropout and he's been pushing the artform like crazy. Eminem's last album was Recovery part 2. Shit, even Mac Miller, who could have just phoned it in with a shitty album after his mainstream success and MTV appearances and things, came out with a legitimately good thematic album in Watching Movies with the Sound Off. Eminem has run out of things to rap about, as he espouses in his new single.
He can't stay in a single flow. Like he will start rapping normal and something in his head says "time to scream now". And it's all because that's what he thinks people want to hear. His creative process is off. Relapse was the result of Dre's kids telling him what the album should be. Recovery was everything against that because of how Relapse was received.
On Alchemist I remember an interview around the time Lord Steppington came out. He said he submitted some beats to Em but it hasn't worked out yet but they definitely will make it happen. I doubt it though. For whatever reason he doesn't see himself on those beats.
And he doesn't even work with Dre much at all anymore. Relapse and the leftover tracks (Refill) were the last real Dre produced tracks and albums. I think Dre had 1 track on Recovery and none on MMLP2. Just mixes for him and slaps his name as executive producer.
Wish he did go back and do another album with only Dre production. Maybe we could get Relapse 2.0 minus the accents. People hated the repetitive horror core content and especially the accents but Em is under the impression the criticism included Dre's production. Some of those verses were out of this world but ruined by accents.
Recovery was all new and current hip hop producers and he still picked some really uninteresting beats.
IMO MMLP2 headed in the right direction with some of the production handled by himself, some completely off the wall stuff by Rubin, and some good stuff by Sid Roams. Then again I'm in the minority here who liked MMLP2.
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Stop listening to radio singles. Everything on the radio is bad.
both of you are saying cringeworthy shit
block tower
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uh no, Eminem and Kendrick are both mediocre. nothing cringe worthy about that opinion.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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Name five current rappers who are better than Kendrick in your opinion.
block tower
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current as in relatively new, or current as recent good albums but have been around awhile?
block tower
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truth hurts? he's been over hyped since that lame ass drake call out. internet went full stupid over that and has been dick ridin kendrick ever since. Kendrick had two solid albums and some good earlier mixtapes but c'mon.
PhoenixDark
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I just don't see how he can listen to his music and cosign it, given how off beat his rapping is, and how off key his singing/crooning is. And he doesn't have anyone to tell him "dude, this is wack." And interestingly every few years he'll admit his last album was wack, yet he never gets better. You're right, he must be blocked creatively.
The weird thing about his scattered brained rap style is that it could actually work over production like Alchemist's, who is constantly switching up his beats and throwing in interludes. Em is trying to find the pockets within pop rap beats, and they just don't exist.
Not sure I care for Dre in 2014. I'd like to see Em go back to the Bass Brothers. Hard drums and dope basslines...maybe that could wake him the fuck up.
block tower
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Kendrick is very good, but he's also way too hyped. i like kendrick a lot tho.
Deadly Cyclone
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I thought people liked MMLP2? It seemed overall very well received. I enjoyed it a lot, it reminded me on Eminem Show and MMLP a lot more than any of his other recent stuff.
I'll keep an eye out for this.
I'll keep an eye out for this.
block tower
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well since you haven't responded to my question ill just throw out five rappers who are current and better than kendrick and more consistent with lyrics, flow, and beat.
-Apathy
-Mick Jenkins
-Curren$y
-Flatbush Zombies
-Joey Bada$$
BTW this new album has been confirmed to be a 2 disc set. 1 is going to be greatest hits and the other is a compilation disc with new material from Em, D12, Slaughterhouse, Yela, and Em and Royce as Bad Meets Evil.
Shady XV referring to 15 years of the record label, not SSLP.
Hopefully the production includes everyone and at least Alchemist. Bass brothers did mention few months back they were working with D12 so this could be the result. A lot of these guys can't carry full albums so this might be the best option!
Shady XV referring to 15 years of the record label, not SSLP.
Hopefully the production includes everyone and at least Alchemist. Bass brothers did mention few months back they were working with D12 so this could be the result. A lot of these guys can't carry full albums so this might be the best option!
Holy Order Sol
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fuckouttahere lmao
I love Spitta but he is not a top tier rapper, let's be real. You're honestly going to argue he has better lyrics than Kendrick Lamar, when Spitta's lyrical content is 100% blunts, cars, and chicks? You're going to argue Spitta has better metaphors than Kendrick, better storytelling? Better flow? His flow is quite limited (and low energy) when compared to Kendrick. I hate to sound like I'm shitting on him, I think Pilot Talk and Covert Coup are two of the best rap albums in recent memory...but he's not in Kendrick's ballpark as a rapper.
Flatbush Zombies is a group, not a rapper. Nor are they particularly good rappers, and they also have limited subject matter.
Joey Badass? His first mixtape was dope but since then he hasn't grown as an artist at all. His flow is pretty weak thanks to that forced Jamaican shit...he just isn't releasing good music right now.
Mick Jenkins is really dope, no complaints there although I think Kendrick is better, and has put out better material; but Jenkins has a lot of potential. Apathy...no.
Agree with your thoughts on Relapse. Hated it when it first came out but I think its aged really well when you compare it with his more recent stuff. It's really different than the majority of his other albums, and gives you an idea of what head space he was in at the time. Really enjoying that album at the moment.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Yeah, listening to MMLP2 again and I still like it. There are a few songs that could have been tossed, but stuff like "Rhyme or Reason" and "So Much Better" remind me of MMLP, and more Eminem Show, than any of his recent stuff. "So Much Better" is right in the "Square Dance" alley.
Could throw out stuff like Survival and Asshole, but it's a solid album. People saying "I want old Eminem" need to put this stuff side-by-side, because old Em is still here, aside from a few bad songs.
Could throw out stuff like Survival and Asshole, but it's a solid album. People saying "I want old Eminem" need to put this stuff side-by-side, because old Em is still here, aside from a few bad songs.
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