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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XIII: Leak Dynasty
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MaverickHunterAsh
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You know who I'd LOVE to hear from right about now? Sal Romano's source.
To be honest, me neither, and I'm one of the biggest Mega Man fans here. It's actually my least favorite song on the site so far, and I didn't really like it way back when I first saw Mega Man's reveal trailer either.
It's just that EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET AND THEIR MOTHERS have done metal and butt rock remixes of Mega Man 2 music. Literally everyone. For some reason it's the style the vast majority of Mega Man music remixers go to first, and it just doesn't sound all that great. It sounds downright "meh" compared to the original songs. :/
I'm not a big fan of the MM2 medley.
To be honest, me neither, and I'm one of the biggest Mega Man fans here. It's actually my least favorite song on the site so far, and I didn't really like it way back when I first saw Mega Man's reveal trailer either.
It's just that EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET AND THEIR MOTHERS have done metal and butt rock remixes of Mega Man 2 music. Literally everyone. For some reason it's the style the vast majority of Mega Man music remixers go to first, and it just doesn't sound all that great. It sounds downright "meh" compared to the original songs. :/
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Your boys? If you are talking about leakers, they haven't really mention anything about Chorus Men yet?
I have a weird feeling that Chorus Men and Ice Climbers are not out of question right now.
Looking back at the rumors we've had that aren't busted, it's curious to see Chorus Men not show up in all of them. Even more recent ones that claim Dixie/K Rool/Dr. Eggman are to be revealed
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There's also been some rumors about Ice Climbers being cut before, but not much about Wolf being cut.
and Isaac too!
There's also been some rumors about Ice Climbers being cut before, but not much about Wolf being cut.
Hours Left
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I actually think that would be the smartest thing for Nintendo to do right now, reveal something not in the leak, and put the speculation and hype back into overdrive.
ShockingAlberto
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Chrom error isn't that explainable, I think. There's been no indication Chrom was ever really seriously considered to be a character and Sakurai didn't seem to consider him beyond "He'd be a lot like Marth and Ike, so is there anyone else?"
I don't think he got halfway done with Chrom and went, wait, shit, this is just like Marth and Ike! I need to change him, even if it means early leakers will be wrong!
I think the Gematsu leaker knew there'd be an FE:A character and leaped to conclusions. Which, you know, it's fine, but this trodden upon Gematsu leaker whom Sakurai trolled with his supervillain-like gambits narrative is crazy.
He was wrong, but he was right on most every other count, so it's probably not that big a deal, but that doesn't make him not wrong on that part.
I don't think he got halfway done with Chrom and went, wait, shit, this is just like Marth and Ike! I need to change him, even if it means early leakers will be wrong!
I think the Gematsu leaker knew there'd be an FE:A character and leaped to conclusions. Which, you know, it's fine, but this trodden upon Gematsu leaker whom Sakurai trolled with his supervillain-like gambits narrative is crazy.
He was wrong, but he was right on most every other count, so it's probably not that big a deal, but that doesn't make him not wrong on that part.
OricWindstar
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I love the medley, but I agree that they better mine the fuck out of the Mega Man soundtracks. If all we end up getting is various Mega Man 2 stuff, that would suck.
FiddyShadeJ
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Thread XIV: Shulking Leaky Ducks
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Just who are the chorus men? Surely nintendo wouldnt go that obscure with their roster.
For clarification, the original text rumor that matches up with the pictures was posted on Smashboards as the "Ninka/Vaanrose Leak Theory/Discussion" on 7/29. Anything after that coming from another source is very likely a piggyback, but we can't say for sure. Here is a breakdown.
Vaanrose (claims he got the info from a friend of a friend):
+Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt are playable characters
Ninka (claims he got the info from a friend of a friend):
+Snake, Lucas, Ice Climbers, and Wolf are cut
+Doctor Mario and Dark Pit are clones
+Confirms Shulk and Gaur Plains and details how Shulk fights (mode switches)
+Confirms Duck Hunt using ducks to fight
+Confirms Bowser Jr. with koopa car
+Discusses alternate costumes such as the Koopalings, Alph for Olimar, new Mario and Charizard costumes
The thread also says Chorus Men is in, but doesn't say who specifically confirms this. Mentions of Mewtwo, Dixie, etc. were speculation on the parts of other people. Of course, last night we had multiple leakers confirming different things, but many are still skeptical since no receipts were shown.
Vaanrose (claims he got the info from a friend of a friend):
+Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt are playable characters
Ninka (claims he got the info from a friend of a friend):
+Snake, Lucas, Ice Climbers, and Wolf are cut
+Doctor Mario and Dark Pit are clones
+Confirms Shulk and Gaur Plains and details how Shulk fights (mode switches)
+Confirms Duck Hunt using ducks to fight
+Confirms Bowser Jr. with koopa car
+Discusses alternate costumes such as the Koopalings, Alph for Olimar, new Mario and Charizard costumes
The thread also says Chorus Men is in, but doesn't say who specifically confirms this. Mentions of Mewtwo, Dixie, etc. were speculation on the parts of other people. Of course, last night we had multiple leakers confirming different things, but many are still skeptical since no receipts were shown.
RH as a series isn't obscure but many of the characters from it could probably be classified that way. For what it's worth they were used to advertise the DS game a lot.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Rhythm Tengoku is one of their most successful recent franchises in Japan. The DS game sold over a million units.
A Link to the Past
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I don't mean to be bitey with this comment, but I've dealt with this kind of comment waaay too much of people not doing their research
It's your fault that you don't know who the Chorus Kids are. They are not obscure by any possible definition of the word.
Nearly 2 million in fact
Chain Attack, maybe? Though that depends on who's used for it....
both of those sentences are crazy
First leak plz be real
y'know, chorus men were the characters I got most excited about from the initial leak. It is odd however that none of the latest leakers have mentioned him.
EDIT: oh, except for the first leak on the post above me. that list seems too good to be true almost! but well, they're right on the others, so it's pretty exciting, unless something clearly disputes it (BS info thrown in with legit to fool people? I don't see the point in that but I guess it's possible)
EDIT: oh, except for the first leak on the post above me. that list seems too good to be true almost! but well, they're right on the others, so it's pretty exciting, unless something clearly disputes it (BS info thrown in with legit to fool people? I don't see the point in that but I guess it's possible)
GiantBreadbug
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Yeah, and there was a year in between the announcement of XY and Greninja's reveal in which people were anticipating the possibility of an XY starter.
I'm just saying even with the reveal that Greninja was referred to as "XY Pokemon" in development doesn't mean the wording isn't incredibly safe and vague.
Here: "I'm leaking the roster for Smash 6. There will be a newcomer from *most recent Pokemon game here*"
Then, when it's revealed that Pokemon from *most recent Pokemon game* was the coodename for that character, if doesn't necessarily lend me that much more credence.
I'm sure Gematsu knew about Greninja. But referring to it that way is something anyone could've done.
WiiRevolution1
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So I was looking at my old prediction for Smash characters:
And yeah...
I wasn't including third parties, which is why Wright ain't there. And this was before I got into FE and before I really thought about movesets, making me want characters like Koopalings, DHD, or Paper Mario. I feel kinda..l stupid looking at this post.
Its from September 9th of last year.
Well I'm bored at the moment and wanted to predict the roster for the lols.
I think Sakurai will want to have a lot more newcomers as unlockables. At least I hope so, because the Brawl's unlockables were meh. I think it was only two newcomers, which is just bad. (Not counting Toon Link, since he is basically Young Link, or third party characters we already knew about.) So I think most veterans will be there from the start. Including third parties.
I also think that while Melee and Brawl had 4 characters at most for each series, I think that number will be increased to five in SSB4. So 5 Mario, Side Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon characters.
I will also list reasons as to why I think they will get in.
PS: I may forget some of Brawl's characters because I have bad memory and may not remember everyone that was in it.
PPS: I wll list reasons for some characters and why I think they will get in. This is not my personal wish list, but who I think may get in based on things.
*Means newcomer
Starter Characters:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Pit
Palutena*
Kirby
Meta-Knight
King DeDeDe
Fox
Captain Falcon
Pikmin & Olimar
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Wario
Yoshi
Villager*
Wii Fit Trainer*
Mega Man*
Sonic
Pac-Man*
Little Mac*
Mii*
Marth
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Pikachu
Lucario
Pokemon Trainer
Ness
Samus
Hidden Characters:
Toad* - Got big in NSMBW, NSMBU, and now SM3DW. Of every character he seems the most likely newcomer.
ALBW Link - May be Toon Link or cut due to ALBW being so near the Smash release. But do not think TL is in due to 3DS stage. One of my faves too...
Girahim*(SP?) - He's just bad ass, a huge part of SS, and I hink he'll make it.
Medusa* - Kid Icarus Uprising will get 3 reps just because Sakurai created the game.
Waddle Dee/Other Kirby Character - See above. (Waddle Dee is only notable Kirby character I could think of, may be other character.)
Bayonetta* - Sakurai is friends with Kamiya. Will probably put her in just because of that, maybe keep it hidden since BY is also owned by Sega.
Lucina* - Have'nt played FE:A, but her and Chrom seems likely candidates. Sakurai has said he wanted more female characters so I guess this.
Ridley* - Will be put in based on fan requests, like Villager and Mega Man.
Mewtwo - Will be re added due to them bringing himback into the spotlight. Already been hinted at.
Igglybuff* - Like Pichu, Sakurai will create a weaker clone of Jigglypuff for the lols. Jigglypuff would be cut. Mainly because Sakurai will want a new Pokemon character, but wouldn't do six Pokemon characters without doing six Mario & Zelda characters.
R.O.B.
Lucas
Falco
Dixie Kong*
Pikmin & Alph & Brittany & Charlie* - Pikmin 3 was Miyamoto's main project. His baby. He will want them to be in, even if it will probably be cloneish. :/
8 Bit Mario* - The final unlockable. Smash has always been about paying homage to Nintendo classics. What better way than with a 8 bit Mario, that is literally a flat sprite and in its small form. (And yeah I know this would make six Mario characters, well we could just slot it into a retro row...IDK. Just seems like something that could happen.)
Wolf cut due to it seeming unlikely to still have 3 Star Fox characters when the franchise is dead.
Snake cut because Kojima doesn't put MGS on Nintendo systems.
Ike could go either way, don't know much about FE. Just going by the pattern of replacing the secondary character with a character from the recent game.
32 Veterans + 18 Newcomers = 50 Characters. (I wasn't even aiming for 50, just added this all up as I went alone, heh.)
Now that I finished it...yeah, 18 Newcomers seems really unlikely. Well, I will stick to this however and see how close by predictions get.
And yes, I count Igglybuff as a newcomer but not ALBW Link
Now, here is my wishlist:
Palutena
Medusa
Geno (He is awesome.)
Girahim
A 8 Bit Luigi charcter instead of Mario.
Dixie Kong
Kiddy Kong (Dat DKC3 Nostalgia!)
Female Pokemon Trainer
Female Villager (Please lettuce import NL characters!)
Tetra (Not in a Shiek way.)
Waluigi
Mario & Luigi RPG Tag Team. (GIMME!)
Yoshi & Baby Mario Tag Team (Nostalgia again...)
I'm sure theres more, maybe even my favorite, but can't think of them off the top of my head...
And yeah...
I wasn't including third parties, which is why Wright ain't there. And this was before I got into FE and before I really thought about movesets, making me want characters like Koopalings, DHD, or Paper Mario. I feel kinda..l stupid looking at this post.
Its from September 9th of last year.
Sounds right up their alley, but they might not even openly acknowledge it, even if MFL's apparently been caught, fired, and sued.
You're going to get smash run and you're going to like it.
Starphoenix
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The Spark Man remix in the Smash Direct didn't sound too bad.
Sigismundo
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The Great Gonzales
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That's exactly what I meant: he saw "character from FE:A" the same way as he saw "character from X/Y" but (perhaps) he figured there was only one real possibility for Awakening - the main Lord - while there were three for X/Y - the three starters - so he was comfortable jumping to a conclusion with Awakening, but not X/Y. The error is "explainable" in the sense that there's an excuse which doesn't discredit the whole leak. It was a mistake on his part, but he wasn't straight up lying; he really thought he knew it would be Chrom.
Regulus Tera
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Better than Fire Emblem and Zelda*!
now we're the game!?
DICKS AHOY
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It's a bit vaguely worded and the use of the word 'predicted' is throwing me a bit (though I guess he could just be playing cute?), but yeah it's from Neo Zeo off Smashboards. Somebody who knows him better like Starpheonix could probably explain this better though since I haven't had a SB account since '07 and I can't seem to make a new one.
Still reckon if that's true then Chorus Boys and Ice Climbers are DLC.
Beelzebufo
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Hi!
Also, upset that so many people are upset over Dark Pit and Doctor Mario. They literally do nothing but add to the roster, Doc in particular adding back a frequently requested move. They're probably just like Lucina, meaning almost no effort was made into creating them (that wouldn't be also put in to a skin). There's like no downside.
Geminosity
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That always confuzzled me because before the gematsu leak I'd literally never even heard or seen the chorus kids before, while I was already a fan of the ringside fever and could probably have identified a few of the other games quite happily. Then again, I've not actually played any of the Rhythm Heaven games
I appreciate I'm obviously not representative but it was just something that struck me as a lil odd :3
Jawmuncher
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His idea that if you buy Bayonetta and it includes a Alt Costume to have ZSS look like her is brillant. Would probably help sales of the game easily. Then for people who don't want the disparity. They just offer it as regular DLC later.
Entryhazard
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#IceClimbersChallenge
At least there's some kind of explanation for Chrom in the Gematsu leak. I just want to know what the hell is going on with the Chorus Kids. It can't be a coincidence that out of the 75+ Smash Run enemies we've seen, one of them (Sneaky Spirit) is from the same franchise as the final Gematsu character.
MiguelMexMIstery
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Don't lie, those stupid clones are clearly taking away my precious Ridley, K. Rool, Mewtwo, Lucas, Wolf and Ice Climbers.
Zeyphersan
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That was a mistake I made, thanks for pointing it out. It has been corrected
I understand the sentiment, but at the same time I don't think we should be making a 1:1 correlation between the Gematsu leak and this one. For starters, even before the Chrom deconfirmation, the Gematsu leak wasn't entirely accurate. Rosalina was never mentioned at all, and the leaker originally pegged 6 characters for a reveal at E3 2013 rather than 3. This current leak to its benefit has several screenshot and video footage. Additionally that text blurb was incredibly specific to a degree that the Gematsu leak never was with details on costumes and fighting styles. At this point we don't have a reason to believe that it is at all wrong.
Again there is a very real chance that there are more characters to come and I'm wrong (which I would be glad to in this case) but our best evidence for that is a locked All-Star screenshot. With the several leakers that have a history of spouting BS and calling each other out, I'm not inclined to believe any one of them on more characters until we get screenshots.
The nature of the leak may also play into the ire for Dark Pit. If he has actually inherited Pit's Brawl moveset, revealing him with a trailer or images which demonstrate his differences would make his inclusion more understandable - however, from the information we have to go on, he could conceivably be a direct clone with a different palette.
IntelliHeath
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You could say same thing about Ice Climbers and Polar Bear. Well, that would make sense why Sakurai took down Polar Bear POTD.
BassForever
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Considering Sakurai himself said he got the idea to put Robin in AFTER playing Fire Emblem Awakening which didn't come out until after he had started planning the roster for Smash 3ds/WiiU I think the Gematsu leaker more likely was part of the very early planning stages and saw an early version of the list which at one point had X/Y pokemon (confirmed by Sakurai himself) and "Chrom" which very well could have been the plan up until Sakurai played the game when it became Robin. I doubt any development went into Chrom at all outside of very early concept work.
Yes there is no way to prove my idea, and yes perhaps the leaker did just put Chrom on their as a guess because he felt it was a safe pick and it blew up on him. If that were the case though why not just put FE:A character the way he put X/Y pokemon? We have evidence that supports the fact it was called X/Y pokemon at one point in development which would line up with the idea of Gematsu having info from an early point in development, why could the same not hold true for him putting Chrom instead of Robin?
I guess it's just best to wait and see if Chorus Men or another RH character shows up in the final roster when the 3DS version launches in Japan or if they're announced as some kind of DLC in the future.
Yeah, the wording seems kinda ambiguous but I'll take anything that gives Mach Rider half a shot.
GiantBreadbug
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Okay, clones are low effort but they don't just make themselves. You still have to make minor model and property changes , plus you have to create renders, work them into CPU slots for solo modes, create trophies and descriptions for them, have alt colors for them, and (in the case of Dark Pit) voice changes (even though it's the same VA). Plus sometimes they have completely different moves and they have to be balanced just like any other character.
So I'm not necessarily upset about them (love DP), but there are certainty resources that are used there.
What costumes were these?
All dead from what I heard.
Starphoenix
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Again, you could justify that as being they were recycled from previous games since the assets already existed. It's a stretch but it's an argument.
Gonzo The Great
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He took it down instantly, which means it was probably an accident. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the Ice Climbers show up as DLC once the Wii U version is released. K. Rool aside, I'm satisfied the roster, but I can't get over how atrocious the stage selection is. No new DK or Metroid stages? What in the actual fuck? Did they seriously think that reusing Jungle Japes and Brinstar for the second time would make people happy?
I don't mind Dr. Mario that much(especially since Mario got the terrible Fludd move), but Dark Pit still rubs me the wrong way. He is literally the exact same design but black, it's going to be awkward to see matches with both characters in it using alt colors. Even clones still have an actual silhouette, but he doesn't.
I'm guessing he'll just be brawl pit which is fine, but that design quirk is something I dislike fundamentally.
I'm guessing he'll just be brawl pit which is fine, but that design quirk is something I dislike fundamentally.
DICKS AHOY
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I didn't know who NeoZeo was specifically representing when they made the original post on all this a month ago, so this helps. Swear I thought they mentioned Chorus Boys and Mewtwo at some point, and I don't remember Mario or Charizard costumes ever coming up?
Also worth pointing out the /v/ thread a week before they posted that with Ridley/Dixie/Mewtwo thrown in is supposedly what led the mods to agree to post all this DHD/Bowser Jr. stuff in the first place.
If it's not the full roster, it might not be the full stage selection either.
GiantBreadbug
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I mean Mario in a Doctor's coat bothers me more than Dark Pit but I guess I'm biased cause I'm a huge Uprising fan.
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