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11's first TARDIS design is my favourite.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

You know who had the best TARDIS? McCoy/McGann in the TV Movie.

 

[Ein Bear]

You know who had the best TARDIS? McCoy in the TV Movie.

That comfy chair should have been a staple from then on.

 

[funkystudent]

I like the new Tardis interior.

More sci fi space ship. Less time travelling Christmas tree.


I dont really have a favourite or least favourite though.

 

[APZonerunner]

I miss the coral, to be honest, for the same reasons stated above. It'll always be 'my' TARDIS. Just a shame they never got around to building other sections of it, which they always pondered but never actually got to.

 

[acheron_xl]

You know who had the best TARDIS? McCoy/McGann in the TV Movie.

I love it. Reminds me of every upstart coffee house I went to in the 90's. Looks like Tori Amos should be just off camera crooning away on a piano.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

There's like three different rugs in there, and one of 'em is Lebowskis.

 

[Slowdive]

Into The Dalek promo pics, looks like someone posted them a little early. More here.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Michael Smiley means this episode can be total gash and I'll still be fairly happy.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Tyres!

 

[BlackGhost]

Into The Dalek promo pics, looks like someone posted them a little early. More here.

Looking forward to this, always enjoy episodes involving the Daleks, cybermen too

 

[twobear]

So why did they go to all of the trouble inventing new Daleks if they're never going to use them? Did they test so badly with audiences that they've already been virtually written out of existence?

 

[Slowdive]

So why did they go to all of the trouble inventing new Daleks if they're never going to use them? Did they test so badly with audiences that they've already been virtually written out of existence?

I think so, they were in Asylum but in the background. I don't like them at all. Weirdly, they were in a Radio Times promo pic for TOTD but I don't think they were in that?

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

So why did they go to all of the trouble inventing new Daleks if they're never going to use them? Did they test so badly with audiences that they've already been virtually written out of existence?

essentially, yes.

 

[The Real Abed]

I loved how when Clara came in, Twelve was sitting in his chair and said something about how he loved round things and wanted to put the round things somewhere.

I missed some stuff so I'll have to rewatch the episode. But did I hear correctly that it was 9 months between when they arrived in London in the T-Rex and when they found each other again at the restaurant?

 

[Kurdel]

In the theatre here in Quebec city, the atmosphere in this room is electric. Room is packed!

A women in her 60 dressed as the 11th walked in and people applauded her, because her costume was so cool!

And another one took a sonic out, then 15 sonics started buzzing around.

Never went to a convention, but now I am going to Montreal Comic con this is too cool.

 

[MrHoot]

In the theatre here in Quebec city, the atmosphere in this room is electric. Room is packed!

A women in her 60 dressed as the 11th walked in and people applauded her, because her costume was so cool!

And another one took a sonic out, then 15 sonics started buzzing around.

Never went to a convention, but now I am going to Montreal Comic con this is too cool.

Oh is it showing tonight in Quebec ?

 

[Kurdel]

Oh is it showing tonight in Quebec ?

Cineplex Odeon Beauport!

 

[StopMakingSense]

I missed some stuff so I'll have to rewatch the episode. But did I hear correctly that it was 9 months between when they arrived in London in the T-Rex and when they found each other again at the restaurant?

? It was like the next day.

 

[Chitown B]

I guess they are similar, but does that mean this would be the

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last doctor?

I get the feeling like since they drew themselves into a corner when DW started way back, that

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they'll somehow reboot the series after Capaldi

 

[paradox121]

I swear they're intentionally dressing Clara in updated versions of Sarah Jane-esque clothes. Which isn't really a complaint, it's just interesting that there are so many parallels between the two.

 

[M.Bluth]

So why did they go to all of the trouble inventing new Daleks if they're never going to use them? Did they test so badly with audiences that they've already been virtually written out of existence?

I still don't understand why didn't they simply repaint the damned things after series 5.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the shell design itself, but we all know their biggest flaw is the idiotic paint job, so they should have tried that.

 

[Maddocks]

Think they dropped the new Daleks because of how silly they looked, they made them bigger to be on the same eyeline as Karen Gillan. Think they dropped it down after they realized how silly tall Daleks looked.

 

[APZonerunner]

So why did they go to all of the trouble inventing new Daleks if they're never going to use them? Did they test so badly with audiences that they've already been virtually written out of existence?

Think they dropped the new Daleks because of how silly they looked, they made them bigger to be on the same eyeline as Karen Gillan. Think they dropped it down after they realized how silly tall Daleks looked.

There was an absolutely epic backlash from the fans and I think they realized the new design was a bit pants. I very much do believe that part of that skittles taste the rainbow colour scheme was a cynical sort of 'sell more toys' move, to be honest. Which is a shame.

The worst thing about them is how they're hunchbacks - just awful. Looks really weird:

Victory of the Daleks was plainly intended to be a "these are your new Daleks" episode, what with how they outright destroy the old model in it and stuff. Then there was a backlash, and Moffat began saying "The new Daleks are the officer class, they're the commanders, the standard drones are the ones you'll see most of the time" and also began saying "Smaller Daleks are more terrifying" after initially saying the new ones were scarier because they were "built like tanks."

I mean, credit to them from abandoning them. It was an awful redesign in almost every sense.

That said, I've sat in both types of Dalek (the BBC had an event where they were showing off one of the Adventure Games right around Series 5, and they had both there and Barnaby Edwards was showing people how they worked and stuff) and the new ones are much more comfortable to sit in. So there is that.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Pretty much like what most people thought, it didn't get better until the Cafe scene, but afterward it was amazing.

Capaldi pretty much carried it, because the parts when he was not in it, the episode was less than stellar. An then every appearance pretty much took it up another level. He is already turning into one of my favorites, but I only seen the 1st-4th and 8th-11th doctors to compare him to.

 

[bengraven]

So far so good. And as for good it was great. Still not sold on Capaldi but I found him likeable enough and look forward to getting to know another Doctor.

And Vastras Crew will never die. They are the Brigadier of Moffat's run. The doctor has to have some regulars.

 

[APZonerunner]

So far so good. And as for good it was great. Still not sold on Capaldi but I found him likeable enough and look forward to getting to know another Doctor.

And Vastras Crew will never die. They are the Brigadier of Moffat's run. The doctor has to have some regulars.

The Brigadier of Moffat's run should really, by rights, be Kate.

 

[infiniteloop]

Moffat just won an emmy for writer of Sherlock

 

[Dryk]

I still don't understand why didn't they simply repaint the damned things after series 5.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the shell design itself, but we all know their biggest flaw is the idiotic paint job, so they should have tried that.

They did, and they looked fine. Having them mixed into the crowd as Super Daleks in that episode worked well.

 

[Apdiddy]

Having watched the episode fully in a movie theater, I feel a bit more qualified to give my thoughts at this point.

Ugh. What a mess of a story. It felt like two episodes in one and was rushed. I would have just loved the focus of the episode be about the new Doctor acclimating to his 'rebirth' and dealing with the fact that he looks older

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I actually loved the parts where the Doctor seemed to have an identity/memory crisis and threatening the homeless man for his coat.

Instead, it follows every other first episode with a new doctor and there's a threat to be dealt with.

I also thought that

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Strax should have killed himself but that would change the focus of the episode altogether. If this was a RTD era episode, he may would have and the dinosaur and the Clockwork Robots would have definitely killed civilians.

I also loved Vastra/Clara scenes (I didn't think that it was Moffat trying to guilt the fangirls into liking the new Doctor), but it does completely mess with previous continuity to say that

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the face he presents is the one he wants people to see. Doesn't explain The Sound of Drums episode.

Not to mention Vastra/Clara's past relationship in the previous season was messed with as well.

Peter Capaldi will be terrific despite Moffat's crappy stories.

 

[jwk94]

They did, and they looked fine. Having them mixed into the crowd as Super Daleks in that episode worked well.

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Seeing the bigger ones behind the small ones is actually pretty terrifying.

 

[Chezzymann]

Having watched the episode fully in a movie theater, I feel a bit more qualified to give my thoughts at this point.

Ugh. What a mess of a story. It felt like two episodes in one and was rushed. I would have just loved the focus of the episode be about the new Doctor acclimating to his 'rebirth' and dealing with the fact that he looks older

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I actually loved the parts where the Doctor seemed to have an identity/memory crisis and threatening the homeless man for his coat.

Instead, it follows every other first episode with a new doctor and there's a threat to be dealt with.

I also thought that

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Strax should have killed himself but that would change the focus of the episode altogether. If this was a RTD era episode, he may would have and the dinosaur and the Clockwork Robots would have definitely killed civilians.

I also loved Vastra/Clara scenes (I didn't think that it was Moffat trying to guilt the fangirls into liking the new Doctor), but it does completely mess with previous continuity to say that

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the face he presents is the one he wants people to see. Doesn't explain The Sound of Drums episode.

Not to mention Vastra/Clara's past relationship in the previous season was messed with as well.

Peter Capaldi will be terrific despite Moffat's crappy stories.

I though the threat was kind of cool,

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The way the robot slowly lost its identity by turning itself into a human mirrored how the doctor lost his identity by regenerating, but of course the doctor is still the doctor and the robot lost himself in human stuff like the 'promised land'.

 

[petszk2]

There was an absolutely epic backlash from the fans and I think they realized the new design was a bit pants. I very much do believe that part of that skittles taste the rainbow colour scheme was a cynical sort of 'sell more toys' move, to be honest. Which is a shame.

The worst thing about them is how they're hunchbacks - just awful. Looks really weird:

Victory of the Daleks was plainly intended to be a "these are your new Daleks" episode, what with how they outright destroy the old model in it and stuff. Then there was a backlash, and Moffat began saying "The new Daleks are the officer class, they're the commanders, the standard drones are the ones you'll see most of the time" and also began saying "Smaller Daleks are more terrifying" after initially saying the new ones were scarier because they were "built like tanks."

I mean, credit to them from abandoning them. It was an awful redesign in almost every sense.

Yes to all this! I suspect if they could retcon things to completely erase the events of Victory of the Daleks they would, but instead they've settled for putting the new paradigm daleks in the background and hoping people wind up forgetting about them.

I had a workmate describe the new paradigm daleks as a the "Might Morphin Power Daleks". Pretty apt description, IMO.

 

[celebi23]

So, I can finally read this topic again I saw the episode at a movie theater with some friends. It was so cool to see the new season premiere with tons of other doctor who fans. I liked the episode but, it just seemed a bit "off".

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I mean, compared to the The Eleventh Hour and The Christmas Invasion, this episode just seemed rushed. There was no real screen time for the Doctor to "find" himself. The 10th & 11th had clear, defined instances at which they were re-discovering themselves in their new personas. This just seemed kinda rushed. One moment the 12th was unsure of who he was and the next scene (the one where he saves Clara from the half-face man after taking off the skin mask thing) it was all "BAM! I'm the Doctor and i know who I am now".

Anyone else feel this way?

 

[batbeg]

I tend to be less critical of a lot of stuff so forgive my lack of negativity but I really enjoyed this. It was my favorite New Doctor episode of New Who without a doubt, as with Eccleston there was too much focus on Rose guiding us into Doctor Who, Tennant's still had too much Rose with only a solid 10 decent minutes of Doctor

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and in my opinion some spotty acting, but Tennant is my least favorite new Doctor

, and Smith's was good but I still preferred Capaldi's

I really liked that it was a fairly action-lite episode that focused on introducing us to the Doctor and his new persona. The themes he shared with the

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dinosaur and half-man

were done well, and made his relevant scenes much more touching.

That Strax intro was unbearable though. As for everyone who hated the newspaper, I liked it, the theater liked it, it was funny and lasted about a second. Sorry you're bitter about the slapstick

I though the threat was kind of cool,

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The way the robot slowly lost its identity by turning itself into a human mirrored how the doctor lost his identity by regenerating, but of course the doctor is still the doctor and the robot lost himself in human stuff like the 'promised land'.

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And the Doctor hasn't lost himself to humanity's throes?

So, I can finally read this topic again I saw the episode at a movie theater with some friends. It was so cool to see the new season premiere with tons of other doctor who fans. I liked the episode but, it just seemed a bit "off".

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I mean, compared to the The Eleventh Hour and The Christmas Invasion, this episode just seemed rushed. There was no real screen time for the Doctor to "find" himself. The 10th & 11th had clear, defined instances at which they were re-discovering themselves in their new personas. This just seemed kinda rushed. One moment the 12th was unsure of who he was and the next scene (the one where he saves Clara from the half-face man after taking off the skin mask thing) it was all "BAM! I'm the Doctor and i know who I am now".

Anyone else feel this way?

I don't particularly care for

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Tennant being gone most of his episode, then showing up to whoop some ass with his "fightin' hand". That felt way more rushed to me than Capaldi's, personally. And I'd hardly say Capaldi was sure of himself the next day, he saw a phrase which triggered a memory of Clara to him, and had had rest as well as a new case to stimulate his personality a bit more, as a kind of jolt. He still seemed rather unsure though, continuing to develop in surety afterwards.

Just my opinion though.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

We don't have to black bar anything that's already aired.

 

[Trike]

I saw it earlier today in theaters. Fan girls are super annoying. The episode was alright, if not a bit off. But Tennant's/Smith's first episodes were only so-so too, and I think I like this one better than theirs. But I would have to rewatch all of them to really judge. Really interested in seeing what the future holds for Capaldi, as well as the overarching story.

 

[Five]

Does anyone else think that there were some especially big plot holes? Like

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why, when the robots had been there for centuries, were there only four cases of spontaneous combustion reported and only recent cases? Or why the robots thought burning the dinosaur was an adequate cover for stealing an inch of optic nerve – something probably no one would have noticed? Or how the robot could have stayed incognito while flying away in a huge flesh balloon? Or how the robot amassed that much flesh before some of it started to rot away

?

I'm not saying Doctor Who is traditionally realistic, but I understood basically none of the methods or motivations of the villain this time around.

 

[petethepanda]

Finished up up series 7 and the subsequent specials. I didn't actively dislike it as I did the final episodes/specials of the Tennant years but it did still leave me a little cold. Just watched the s8 premiere, and in my eyes at least, the show continues to be, appropriately, terrible at endings yet fantastic at beginnings.

I'm not very hopeful that some of the stuff I loved about this episode won't be run into the ground after a few weeks - the question of "fell" or "was pushed" is itself a very interesting direction for the character but I simply can't take any more of the now standard "briefly tease a question/idea/mystery at the end of each episode until it is rendered pointless and annoying" format - but for the time being I'm happy to have loved an episode for the first time in a couple years.

Oh god, the newspaper killed me. I just hope they realize that kind of moment only works as a one-off since it's so out of character for the show.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Does anyone else think that there were some especially big plot holes? Like why, when the robots had been there for centuries, were there only four cases of spontaneous combustion reported and only recent cases? Or why the robots thought burning the dinosaur was an adequate cover for stealing an inch of optic nerve – something probably no one would have noticed? Or how the robot could have stayed incognito while flying away in a huge flesh balloon? Or how the robot amassed that much flesh before some of it started to rot away?

I'm not saying Doctor Who is traditionally realistic, but I understood basically none of the methods or motivations of the villain this time around.

Anything that had anything to do with the Dinosaur seemed thrown away, really. Like nobody quite understood that a fucking Tyrannosaur was stomping around Victorian London. That there was even a know-it-all eagle-eye "I've shooped some whoops in my day" there spoke to how matter-of-fact a prehistoric lizard seemed to be.

 

[Trike]

Does anyone else think that there were some especially big plot holes? Like

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why, when the robots had been there for centuries, were there only four cases of spontaneous combustion reported and only recent cases? Or why the robots thought burning the dinosaur was an adequate cover for stealing an inch of optic nerve – something probably no one would have noticed? Or how the robot could have stayed incognito while flying away in a huge flesh balloon? Or how the robot amassed that much flesh before some of it started to rot away

?

I'm not saying Doctor Who is traditionally realistic, but I understood basically none of the methods or motivations of the villain this time around.

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How do you know there wasn't more? Even Vastra's chart had a lot more than four. They didn't want any evidence of the body so they wouldn't know what went missing. Would anyone have found out? Probably Vastra or the Doctor. They are overly careful. If they have been there for that long there is a chance they have heard of his exploits. Or at least know about Vastra. The real question is how did they take the optic nerve from the T-Rex? The flesh balloon was dumb, but also not their first option of escape. It was an emergency precaution, not like they had many flying machines in Victorian London anyway. I am not sure if you are aware, but people preserve flesh all the time. You may know of it as "leather".

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Seriously tho, stop spoiler tagging shit that isn't a spoiler. The episode aired two days ago.

 

[ClivePwned]

Oh god, the newspaper killed me. I just hope they realize that kind of moment only works as a one-off since it's so out of character for the show.

funny you say that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvqHJpGmLp0

 

[Five]

Anything that had anything to do with the Dinosaur seemed thrown away, really. Like nobody quite understood that a fucking Tyrannosaur was stomping around Victorian London. That there was even a know-it-all eagle-eye "I've shooped some whoops in my day" there spoke to how matter-of-fact a prehistoric lizard seemed to be.

Yeah, that one guy who was like "it's just the government." Uh, what?

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How do you know there wasn't more? Even Vastra's chart had a lot more than four. They didn't want any evidence of the body so they wouldn't know what went missing. Would anyone have found out? Probably Vastra or the Doctor. They are overly careful. If they have been there for that long there is a chance they have heard of his exploits. Or at least know about Vastra. The real question is how did they take the optic nerve from the T-Rex? The flesh balloon was dumb, but also not their first option of escape. It was an emergency precaution, not like they had many flying machines in Victorian London anyway. I am not sure if you are aware, but people preserve flesh all the time. You may know of it as "leather".

Maybe the robots were just slipping up, then. I thought it was mentioned at some point that there had been four occurrences, but I don't remember when or who said that. And yes, that is the real question. Regarding leather, creating it is an extensive process. Not out of the question, I guess, but certainly a huge task.

Seriously tho, stop spoiler tagging shit that isn't a spoiler. The episode aired two days ago.

Sorry. I know some people who were going to see it in the theater tonight, although I guess their showing would have just ended.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yeah, that one guy who was like "it's just the government." Uh, what?

That was... I mean, I know what the point of him was, to set up the joke, then the kill, bang bang. You're laughing at this dumbshit and then he gets taken out by this somewhat horrifying robot-man.

But NOBODY in London seemed to care as much as they should that THERE WAS A DINOSAUR JUST HANGING OUT.

Everything about that first 20-25 minutes seemed really floaty and disconnected, and not in a good way.

 

[Quick]

We're good to go spoiler tags-free, but it's courteous of people to keep the tags on for people who watched it for the first time in theatres tonight.

 

[Mariolee]

That was... I mean, I know what the point of him was, to set up the joke, then the kill, bang bang. You're laughing at this dumbshit and then he gets taken out by this somewhat horrifying robot-man.

But NOBODY in London seemed to care as much as they should that THERE WAS A DINOSAUR JUST HANGING OUT.

Everything about that first 20-25 minutes seemed really floaty and disconnected, and not in a good way.

Yeah, I mean why wasn't this recorded as notable in history? Was it just one big group hallucination?

 

[Quick]

I remember The Next Doctor having the question of "why didn't this giant mecha Cyberman appear in the history books?"

I forgot what the Doctor said in response.

 

[batbeg]

Yeah, I mean why wasn't this recorded as notable in history? Was it just one big group hallucination?

Are we going to ignore all the other citable insane shit that happened in history that we weren't clearly informed of having an effect on history? Note I say clearly informed of, too - how do you know this wasn't recorded as notable?

 

[Trike]

Yeah, I mean why wasn't this recorded as notable in history? Was it just one big group hallucination?

There is a 1st Doctor episode where knights witness the Tardis disappearing in front of them. They decide not to mention this to anyone or be branded insane. If there were no remains, the whole city would just look crazy to outsiders. Or maybe they did spread what happened and it just became a myth? Who knows! They might mention it later.