Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life

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Sonic
13th Place (Victory Music!)

Notable Appearences
Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (1992)
Sonic CD (1993)
Sonic Spinball (1993)
Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine (1993)
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 / Sonic & Knuckles (1994)
Sonic Blast (1996)
Sonic Adventure (1998)
Sonic Adventure 2 (2001)
Sonic Advance (2002)
Sonic Heroes (2004)
Sega Superstars (2004)
Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)
Sonic and the Secret Rings (2007)
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (2007)
Sega Superstar Tennis (2008)
Sonic Unleashed (2008)
Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing (2010)
Sonic the Hedgehog 4 (2010 / 2012)
Sonic Colors (2010)
Sonic Generations (2011)
Sonic All-Stars Racing Transformed (2012)
Sonic Lost World (2013)

Bio
Sonic the Hedgehog is the title character and main protagonist of the Sonic the Hedgehog series and Sega's mascot. He is a fifteen-year-old, blue, anthropomorphic hedgehog gifted with the ability to run at the speed of sound and beyond, hence his name, and he possesses lightning fast reflexes to match. As his position as a hedgehog implies, Sonic can also roll up into a ball, primarily to attack enemies.

Ever since stepping into the battle against injustice, Sonic has been the champion of peace and is renowned the world over for saving it many times. Well-known for his legendary cocky attitude, easy-going demeanor and somewhat short temper, yet strong sense of justice and love for freedom and adventure, Sonic uses his abilities to protect the innocent of his world and those beyond from the forces of evil, especially his arch-nemesis Dr. Eggman who constantly seeks world domination.

What NeoGAF Says
“Despite the lack in KO power, Sonic stays fully true to his nature and is just plain fun to play. Speed characters are my favorite, and Sonic has all of that in spades. He exhibits everything that made his selling point as a franchise shine. If only SSB4 would improve his KO potential, he would be perfect.” - NotLiquid

“Sonic and Mario together? Able to duke it out? What more could you ask for!” - Troubled Bat

“Was one of the first characters introduced to me” - sorakirosaki

“I went Ballistic with Sonic when he was announced, I cried...I just wish I was better at him lol.” - Dimitri LH

“I grew up on Sonic.” - Neoxon

“I was in middle school when brawl came out and still wrapped up in my sonic over mario phase.” - Odie Esty

“Admit it, we all wanted to see him crash this party. His playstyle leads to some great hit-and-run action, too.” - Zubz

“Because nobody likes him anymore.” - Aβydoς
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Congrats, Sonic!

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Plot Twist - INCEPTION VERSION:

What if Bowser Jr and Shulk are actually playable character but Doctor Mario, Dark Pit and Duck Hunt Dog's renders are fake to trick everyone, with partially real information.

zroid said:
Don't overreact to that supposed update from the leaker, people...
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I have a good feeling that leaker is fake because everyone are trying to riding on fake train right now.
 
DLC wishlist

Crash Bandicoot (duh)
Goku
Shrek
Spyro
All the Skylanders
Flipnote Frog
Reggie Fils Aime
Barack Obama

Ok this has gone far enough now
 
Pikma said:
I love you and everyone that agreed with my Andy as newcomer mention <3
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Even though I haven't played any games of his series, I support Andy as a playable character, but why do people often prefer Sami? Like, everytime I see someone wanting an Advance Wars rep, it's Sami. And she's in (I think?) Project M too. Does she have more personality in the game or is more likeable or something?
 
Green Mamba said:
That all said, I am of the strong opinion that if one version needs to be pared down to achieve parity due to the weaknesses of the other, then parity should be dropped. They should not be slaves to each other.
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yup.

Sakurai hasn't really sold me on the idea of parity between the two versions. It doesn't seem necessary, and so far it looks to be doing more harm than good.
 
Sonic!

Rolling around at the speed of sound
Got places to go, gotta follow my rainbow
Can't stick around, have to keep movin' on
Guess what lies ahead, only one way to find out

Must keep on movin' ahead
No time for guessin', follow my plan instead
Trusting in what you can't see
Take my lead, I'll set you free

Follow me - set me free - trust me
And we will escape from the city
I'll make it through, follow -
Follow me - set me free - trust me
And we will escape from the city
I'll make it through, prove it to you
Follow me

Danger is lurking around every turn
Trust your feelings, gotta live and learn
I know with some luck that I'll make it through
Got no other options, only one things to do

I don't care what lies ahead
No time for guessin', follow my plan instead
Find that next stage no matter what that may be
Take my lead, I'll set you free

Follow me - set me free - trust me
And we will escape from the city
I'll make it through, follow -
Follow me - set me free - trust me
And we will escape from the city
I'll make it through, prove it to you
Follow me

Follow me
I'll make it through,

Oh, yeah.
 
IntelliHeath said:
Plot Twist - INCEPTION VERSION:

What if Bowser Jr and Shulk are actually playable character but Doctor Mario, Dark Pit and Duck Hunt Dog's renders are fake to trick everyone, with partially real information.
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It's possible, but with all the support from multiple sides reporting the same things I would be very surprised that someone would go through the trouble.

But who knows, should be a fun ride.
 
Sonic Huh?
Looks like I got my question answered. He's a cool dude in Brawl though he hopefully got a buff in Smash4. Nothing beats his taunts though which are truly troll level compared to the rest.
 
Neiteio said:
I'd be fine with them changing Ice Climbers (two characters) to Ice Climber (one character, your choice of Popo or Nana).

I'm sure the moves would be suitably powered-up, recovery included.
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IF it's real, then I would be fine if Single Ice Climber is for 3DS only when Ice Climbers is for Wii U.
 
Wasn't the leader getting sued and shanked by ninjas?

I highly doubt someone would be stupid enough to dig a deeper hole when they know exactly who you are
 
I do like the idea of DLC but I can't be TOO excited as I can't imagine Sakurai would upgrade current assist trophies to full characters so DLC would be limited to brand new characters or veterans.

I need my Takamaru and Waluigi.
 
Jawmuncher said:
Sonic Huh?
Looks like I got my question answered. He's a cool dude in Brawl though he hopefully got a buff in Smash4. Nothing beats his taunts though which are truly troll level compared to the rest.
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Great guess! Between that and the Ganondorf talk yesterday, I'm beginning to think PsychicGAFs powers a returning...

Also, Toxi, I expected no less from you. ;)
 
Mik317 said:
Wasn't the leader getting sued and shanked by ninjas?

I highly doubt someone would be stupid enough to dig a deeper hole when they know exactly who you are
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They're dumb enough to lose their job over releasing the Smash roster online three weeks early. Why not go all the way?
 
IntelliHeath said:
IF it's real, then I would be fine if Single Ice Climber is for 3DS only when Ice Climbers is for Wii U.
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That's the only acceptable condition for me. If I at least get them how they're supposed to be on Wii U. Otherwise, it'll be the equivalent of a veteran cut, only to be replaced by what might as well be a 'mii' to me.
 
georly said:
That's the only acceptable condition for me. If I at least get them how they're supposed to be on Wii U. Otherwise, it'll be the equivalent of a veteran cut, only to be replaced by what might as well be a 'mii' to me.
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I find it odd that Ice Climbers would be two difficult for the 3DS and not Rosalina. Have we figured anything out with that?
 
IntelliHeath said:
IF it's real, then I would be fine if Single Ice Climber is for 3DS only when Ice Climbers is for Wii U.
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Same, but they're pushing the identical rosters hard. I'd hope they see the Ice Climbers' inclusion as higher of a priority than ensuring the rosters are the same.
 
Uuug I like sonic as a character and do like his games unlike others :P

but his brawl version was FUCKING AWFUL

what a awful moveset for a character...so much bad.
 
If ridiculous gimps do happen...

The interactivity between the two versions better be rad to the bone and justify the need to gimp for the sake of parity.
 
Sonic's the other character I couldn't get the handle of (Diddy being the other). That said, his speed makes him very fun to play as. He can also actually combo in Brawl! I hope his KO power is buffed slightly in this installment.
 
Only 13th place? This whole thing's rigged!
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Just kidding. Love me some Sonic, and can't wait to main him again in Smash 4. Just hope the his E3 buffs are still there since he needs to killing power.
 
OricWindstar said:
I find it odd that Ice Climbers would be two difficult for the 3DS and not Rosalina. Have we figured anything out with that?
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Apparently Nana's AI is far more complex than that of the Luma or the Pikmin. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't having four Ice Climbers on screen the equivalent to eight fighters in terms of toll on the system?
 
Maybe they had issues with Ice Climbers and Chorus Boys and "cloned" them sort of as value changed single versions of themselves.

It would be disappointing, but at least the ICs would be in the game in some facet, even if they lose a lot of what made them special.
 
It's entirely possible, in fact entirely likely that the leak is fake

But it's a lot more fun to believe in it.

1. Considering that the staff is visible, it adds up that Dark Pit would be less of a clone (or not a clone at all) versus Lucina.

2. Wolf was arguably the most difficult unlock in Brawl, so it would make sense why people hadn't found him yet.

3. Ness appears to be a starter, so it would be sensible if Lucas was relegated to being a secret character. It isn't unprecedented that a character's unlock difficulty might change, either - Ness was the last unlock for many in 64, and the first(?) in Brawl, while Jigglypuff was the first for many in 64 and Melee, but one of the last in Brawl.

4. Due to the changes, it's very possible that Sakurai wanted Ice Climber to be secret, as the now-singular character would be one of the most drastic changes for any veteran, up there with Pit and Zero Suit Samus.

5. If Ice Climbers are cut or split, it would stand to reason that Sakurai may have done the same for Chorus Kids and opted to use Marshal.

6. IIRC, the only reason Ninka says that Wolf, Ice Climbers, and Lucas were cut was because they hadn't been seen. I may be wrong on this, of course.
 
Didn't a lot of us initially doubt the leak that said DHD, Bowser Kart, Dark Pit, and Doc Mario would be in the game? Obviously nobody is coming out to verify this... but if Nintendo is really suing this guy and trying to clamp down on who leaked I imagine anyone in the know who hasn't been identified would keep their mouth shut to hopefully avoid drawing any more attention/heat. It could all be BS, but it's certainly far more believable then the other leaks/posts that have speculated from this.
 
I love how two of the worst characters in Brawl getting in the top 15. In a way, I think it's nice that people love their characters regardless of how good they are in the game. I know I'd vote for Luigi even if he were bottom tier.

I'M FINISHED! said:
The game would have been made either way. The 3DS didn't save Smash, there was always going to be another installment this gen, even without Sakurai.

They aren't even equal. The Wii U version will be priced higher. How is it a decent move to anchor the pricier version just so owners of the discount title don't feel bad? Especially if the 3DS version forces changes on things that were standard in previous entries in the series.
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Why should the fact that the Wii U version is more expensive mean it should be the definitive version? It's not even a fair comparison: the Wii U version is more expensive because it's a Wii U game, not because it necessarily has more content. Both games are full price with respect to their platforms; the 3DS version isn't a "discount" game, so it's not going to be treated like one by getting fewer characters.

And, again, this is all just speculation. There's zero real evidence that the 3DS version is holding Smash back.
 
Neiteio said:
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Well, who knows if this is real -- from the video leaker, allegedly -- but if it's true, then we'll see Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt before the game comes out.

Come to think of it, that'd be rather appropriate, to reveal a Mario rep and Duck Hunt rep together in the same trailer. SMB1 and Duck Hunt were on the same cartridge, after all.
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I would've figured Ice Climbers would be separated if need be... but if this is real, my heart would break. Not for cut Squirtle/Ivysaur (you'll be missed!) or Snake (uh, bye bye!) and more for lack of more newcomers then the ones already leaked.

Dixie Kong missing in action again? For real? I don't understand that. She should've been one of the first newcomers announced! Why omit another Donkey Kong rep when the franchise has actually boomed AFTER Brawl? If she's really not playable (or DLC), I feel like they didn't consider her because she wouldn't have offered an interesting moveset which is all the rage apparently with Sakurai. But... Dark Pit and Dr. Mario... Diddy blueprint with Helicopter Hair and Bubblegum Gun...
 
Vuapol said:
Apparently Nana's AI is far more complex than that of the Luma or the Pikmin. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't having four Ice Climbers on screen the equivalent to eight fighters in terms of toll on the system?
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Yes, this is why Melee and Brawl lag when you do all-IC matches. The systems can't handle it.

The 3DS is half as powerful as a Gamecube. If the GC can't handle that much AI running (at equivalently well-designed graphics levels) I could certainly buy that the 3DS can't.

I still don't trust any text leaks though.
 
Vuapol said:
They're dumb enough to lose their job over releasing the Smash roster online three weeks early. Why not go all the way?
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That seems unwise.

He probably didn't think he get caught with the first leaks... But now that he got caught, is known and will get sued to oblivion, you'd think he'd wise up a bit.

People continue to amaze me
 
Sonikku!

Too be honest, I was super ecstatic at Sonic being in Brawl, but was kinda disappointed at how he didn't draw ANY inspiration from his moves in Sonic The Fighters and Sonic Battle. Also wish he could kill somebody lol. Good thing he'll be better in Smash 4 and I'll actually give him more of a shot!
 
Vuapol said:
Apparently Nana's AI is far more complex than that of the Luma or the Pikmin. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't having four Ice Climbers on screen the equivalent to eight fighters in terms of toll on the system?
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It's been shown before that one Ice climber has the same poly count as about half of any other fighter (mostly), so the poly count isn't the issue. It's also two 'skeletons', which I assume luma/pikmin have one, too (though probably simpler?), so who knows? Her AI requires that she recover and also attack... but that's... not the most complex thing ever.

Considering how sakurai and team are a bunch of wizards, i'd honestly be surprised if they couldn't get ice climbers working :/


So far every veteran revealed late into dev has had a visual overhaul (Yoshi, Ike, Metaknight, or a mechanic change (Zelda/sheik, charizard) or both (ZSS). Or, in the case of captain falcon/charizard, was being held for a newcomer trailer.

Possibilities for ice climbers not being revealed yet:
  • Visual overhaul
  • Mechanical overhaul that needs explanation in a direct
  • Is in a newcomer trailer (would work w/ the NES theme for a duck hunt dog trailer)
  • Sakurai didn't feel like showing them off
  • We'll unlock them once the game comes out
  • They're cut
 
Also the leakers who said Ice Climbers, Wolf, Snake, Lucas, etc were cut is because they didn't show up in that video and they assumed that video was the final roster? None of them have actual insider information and just assumed they were cut because they weren't in the leaked footage they saw ya?
 
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