Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life

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Snake
12th Place (Victory Music!)

Notable Appearences
Metal Gear (1987)
Snake's Revenge (1990)
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (1990)
Metal Gear Solid (1998)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (2001)
Metal Gear Acid (2004)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (2008)

Bio Spoilers!
Solid Snake, commonly referred to as Snake, is a spy, special operations soldier, and mercenary. He is a product of the Les Enfants Terribles project and "son" of legendary soldier Big Boss, along with his "brothers" Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake. In Metal Gear, Big Boss tasks the rookie, Solid Snake, to infiltrate the rogue nation, Outer Heaven, to sabotage its suspected Metal Gear weapon, but Snake finds out later that Big Boss is actually the leading man behind Outer Heaven, just like FOXHOUND, and Snake was deceived and set up by Big Boss to witness him using Metal Gear to establish Outer Heaven as a nuclear power, but Snake manages to sabotage the Metal Gear and defeat Big Boss. Roy Campbell takes Big Boss' place as commanding officer in FOXHOUND, and years later in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, Campbell assigns Snake to infiltrate a heavily fortified base in the nation, Zanzibar Land, which is also trying to become a nuclear power with the Metal Gear D model. Snake finds that the leading man behind this plot is Big Boss as well, and in a final confrontation with Metal Gear D, Snake kills Big Boss for good with a makeshift flamethrower. Both Solid Snake and Roy Campbell go into retirement after this.

In Metal Gear Solid, Snake is called out of retirement from Alaska by Campbell to battle FOXHOUND, which has now gone rogue and has seized the nuclear weapons facility at Shadow Moses Island, threatening the U.S. with a nuclear strike unless they acquire Big Boss' remains. Snake must infiltrate the island and defeat each rogue FOXHOUND member one-by-one, and he sabotages the Metal Gear REX model at Shadow Moses. Snake finds that the leading man behind this plot is an operative codenamed Liquid Snake, who is Solid Snake's genetic twin, and Solid Snake learns of his clone heritage. Solid survives while Liquid dies, and the mission is complete.

Snake is called into service yet again in 2007 to infiltrate a tanker which gets sunk in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty's prologue sequence. It is during his infiltration of the tanker that he discovers that Liquid Snake "lived on" in Revolver Ocelot's recently transplanted arm (the arm that was transplanted was Liquid's). He survives and gets involved in the immensely intricate and complex scenarios that occur throughout the rest of the game in 2009. It is during these series of events that a third clone of Big Boss is revealed as Solidus Snake, who is a mixture of dominant and recessive genes, thus being considered a genetic bridge between the recessive Solid Snake and the dominant Liquid Snake. The PlayStation 3 game, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, features an aged Snake, now identified as Old Snake by the game. Advanced cellular degeneration caused by the cloning process used to create him has aged him prematurely. In the game, he wears a sneaking suit outfitted with "Octocamo" technology, which allows him to blend with his environment, as well as a face mask which alters his appearance (allowing the player to use his younger look during gameplay as well and disguise Snake as other characters).

What NeoGAF Says
"He got me into playing Smash and is a great fit on the roster because he's so different." - Jawmuncher

"The fish-out-of-water character who added so much to Brawl's collective personality. As a contrasting point to all the Nintendo games and franchises featured, Snake is Nintendo's most famous guest star." - Finale Fireworker

"The most solid snake." -kelpplankton

"Snake is only second to Wario for me when it comes to video game characters. I owe it to Brawl for introducing me to MGS, which is a franchise I really love now. It's all thanks to his playstyle that really got me into the character. I guess I really like campy, defensive characters haha." - Spinosaurus

"Snake, with his arsenal of weapons, is one challenger you do need to be wary of." - PikaED

"Distinguished by implementation - one of the first characters in the series to really be faithful to their source material, a trend which has carried over to SSB4's newcomers." - Golnei

"Hella unque hella broken heavy gameplay, and that ass though." - XtaLarge

"Snake brought a lot of great content (such as codecs), and had a unique play style." - Fandangox

"Nothing at all... " -munchie64

"SNAKKKE SNNNNAKKKKEEE SNNNAKKKKEEEE!" - IntelliHeath

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Congrats, Snake! And, if you are truly gone from the roster of Smash 4, thanks for the memories!

Veteran Rankings Click on them to find out more!







 
Well that didn't escalate quickly at all.


As much as I would like that (and I don't know if you're kidding or not) but I don't think she was entered for the veteran poll.

Hope she wins the newcomer one though. Unless everyone voted Ridley or something :[

I was just talking about in general for the most played character in Smash.
 
HECK YEAH! SNAKKKKKKEEEEE!!!! ;_;

I really enjoy his archetype and characteristic in the smash, so it's disappointing that he is goner in Smash 4. You will be one of few reasons why I would go back to Brawl/Project M and play the game to appreciate you even more.
 
Another observation: Monado Buster is one of the forms Shulk's neutral-B can switch to (Shield -> Buster -> Armour -> Enchant -> Speed). Ergo, it's most likely not his Final Smash, as people had been theorizing. Which is good, because that one always sounded incredibly bland to me.

I mean, I suppose Monado Cyclone still could be, but I'm really hoping it's a Chain Attack.
 
So happy to see Snake make it so high.
Considering how strong the vitriol can be towards him i was worried about his chances.
But as other have said about him making it so high, it does make the pain of his loss even worse.
Such a fun and unique character. Was so great being able to control the map with mines, keep distance with nikita and grenades, and still have the power for hand to hand. True he was OP with his hitboxes but still even in Porject M he's just outstanding to play as.

If not for snake as I have said many times before I would never have gotten into Smash. Nor would I have really bothered with jumping into nintendo in general like I have. So while a lot of you can dislike him. At least try and understand where me and others are coming from when talk about him.

Until next time Snake.
 
When people were worried about challenge picture from POTD today, but I wonder no one didn't check leaked challenge picture.

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The icons look different.

Edited: Never Mind. One picture had two icons with yellow exclamation points on it, which made it apparently different to me.
 
This just makes Snake's potential cut even sadder. He was great to play as and his codecs were hilarious. Please come back as DLC. SNAAAAAAAAAAAAKE! :(
 
Another observation: Monado Buster is one of the forms Shulk's neutral-B can switch to (Shield -> Buster -> Armour -> Enchant -> Speed). Ergo, it's most likely not his Final Smash, as people had been theorizing. Which is good, because that one always sounded incredibly bland to me.

I mean, I suppose Monado Cyclone still could be, but I'm really hoping it's a Chain Attack.

I really, REALLY hope its a chain attack.

Imagine how hype it'd be if revealed on a trailer. Shulk's party is commenting on Shulk as the trailer shows off his gameplay and then Reyn or whoever says something like "I guess I will get my chance today" and then they all join in for the Final Smash.
 
RIP Snake

You'll never be forgotten, you paved the way for sonic, mega man, pac man

The god.

He died so the other gamers could get their wish.

12th is surprisingly low for Snake, given how much love he gets around here. The guy gets an OT named after him but he can't crack the top 10.

As much love as he gets, he gets just as much hate. It's just that the vocal snake supporters are loud in here.
Though I don't think a lot of them automatically put Snake as their number 1.
 
I have a feeling even if that pic is fake, the rumors/leaks that we've seen of the missing 5 and the DLC are going to wind up being combined to make up 5 characters.

So that means we can only have 5 of these: Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Chorus Men, Snake, Impa, Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo and Mach Rider.

Choose your fate GAF.

I expect Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Impa and Mewtwo.
 
I lost. The people here are a lot better then I expected, even though I'm not that good.
 
I have a feeling even if that pic is fake, the rumors/leaks that we've seen of the missing 5 and the DLC are going to wind up being combined to make up 5 characters.

So that means we can only have 5 of these: Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Chorus Men, Snake, Impa, Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo and Mach Rider.

Choose your fate GAF.

I expect Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Impa and Mewtwo.

Snake as DLC needs to happen in my eyes. Just because the tactic of offering a third party character that way always sells. Plus him along with Mewtwo who are probably the highest most wanted Veterans them in the same pack I think would be good cash for nintendo.

After that Lucas, Wolf, and hopefully someone who is a complete surprise.
 
I'll really miss you Snake, your apperance in Brawl introduced me to what would become my favorite game series of all time. You're the reason I'd play Brawl over Melee, and probably the reason I'll go back to it if you never appear in 4 ;-;7
 
I'm fairly confident the leaked Character Select Screen features the entire roster, and that there is nothing left to unlock.

Think about it: Everything in the leak comes from video footage shown to the ESRB. Thus, everything has some bearing on ratings. Check these images again -- you have potty humor (Wario Waft), gambling (Spectator Mode), drugs (see "grass" in Training), T&A (Krystal, Candy, Barbara, Twinrova, Tharja, Tiki, etc), realistic weapons (the missile reference, possibly Bowser Jr.'s cannon), religious references (Devil Car, Demon King, etc), personal information (Miis, location), and more.

And the Character Select Screen? I think that's a chance for ESRB to see every character in the game. So they can know that the characters, in and of themselves, are nothing inappropriate.

As for the lock icon on All-Stars -- that could've easily had been recorded before the CSS was fully unlocked.

What do you guys think?
 
I have a feeling even if that pic is fake, the rumors/leaks that we've seen of the missing 5 and the DLC are going to wind up being combined to make up 5 characters.

So that means we can only have 5 of these: Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Chorus Men, Snake, Impa, Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo and Mach Rider.

Choose your fate GAF.

I expect Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Impa and Mewtwo.
Easy for me. Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Chorus Men and Mewtwo.
 
I have a feeling even if that pic is fake, the rumors/leaks that we've seen of the missing 5 and the DLC are going to wind up being combined to make up 5 characters.

So that means we can only have 5 of these: Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Chorus Men, Snake, Impa, Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo and Mach Rider.

Choose your fate GAF.

I expect Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Impa and Mewtwo.

I expect Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Dixie and Mewtwo though for my hopes just substitute Dixie with the Giant Purple Space Dragon of Death:
Snake.

And I actually correctly predicted the veteran.
On my second try!
Huh. Well deserved.
 
I have a feeling even if that pic is fake, the rumors/leaks that we've seen of the missing 5 and the DLC are going to wind up being combined to make up 5 characters.

So that means we can only have 5 of these: Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Chorus Men, Snake, Impa, Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo and Mach Rider.

Choose your fate GAF.

I expect Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Impa and Mewtwo.
Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Snake and Chorus Kids.

All Brawl veterans (minus the Pokemon) and a Rhythm Heaven rep is all I need.
 
I would rather have Ridley and Dixie over Wolf and Lucas because they are all-new characters, rather than clone-y veterans. (I know they aren't exact clones but their similarities to Fox/Ness make them clones in my eyes)
 
I'm fairly confident the leaked Character Select Screen features the entire roster, and that there is nothing left to unlock.

Think about it: Everything in the leak comes from video footage shown to the ESRB. Thus, everything has some bearing on ratings. Check these images again -- you have potty humor (Wario Waft), gambling (Spectator Mode), drugs (see "grass" in Training), T&A (Krystal, Candy, Barbara, Twinrova, Tharja, Tiki, etc), realistic weapons (the missile reference, possibly Bowser Jr.'s cannon), religious references (Devil Car, Demon King, etc), personal information (Miis, location), and more.

And the Character Select Screen? I think that's a chance for ESRB to see every character in the game. So they can know that the characters, in and of themselves, are nothing inappropriate.

As for the lock icon on All-Stars -- that could've easily had been recorded before the CSS was fully unlocked.

What do you guys think?

You're probably right, but that goes against the narrative I'm putting together in my head, so I'll just ignore that. :P

Mario Kart 8 has reinforced the notion, in my mind, that we're going to get some killer DLC for Smash so I wouldn't mind all that much.
 
I really hope that, if Snake does end up being cut, they give the character commentary stuff to either Doc Louis (I feel that it's one of the main reasons why the Punch Out ring is a shared stage between 3DS and Wii U) or the Kid Icarus cast (Sakurai already is going nuts with Uprising stuff, might as well bring all the characters back for this).
 
I'm fairly confident the leaked Character Select Screen features the entire roster, and that there is nothing left to unlock.

Think about it: Everything in the leak comes from video footage shown to the ESRB. Thus, everything has some bearing on ratings. Check these images again -- you have potty humor (Wario Waft), gambling (Spectator Mode), drugs (see "grass" in Training), T&A (Krystal, Candy, Barbara, Twinrova, Tharja, Tiki, etc), realistic weapons (the missile reference, possibly Bowser Jr.'s cannon), religious references (Devil Car, Demon King, etc), personal information (Miis, location), and more.

And the Character Select Screen? I think that's a chance for ESRB to see every character in the game. So they can know that the characters, in and of themselves, are nothing inappropriate.

As for the lock icon on All-Stars -- that could've easily had been recorded before the CSS was fully unlocked.

What do you guys think?
I completely agree! Maybe we'll get DLC though.
 
I'm fairly confident the leaked Character Select Screen features the entire roster, and that there is nothing left to unlock.

Think about it: Everything in the leak comes from video footage shown to the ESRB. Thus, everything has some bearing on ratings. Check these images again -- you have potty humor (Wario Waft), gambling (Spectator Mode), drugs (see "grass" in Training), T&A (Krystal, Candy, Barbara, Twinrova, Tharja, Tiki, etc), realistic weapons (the missile reference, possibly Bowser Jr.'s cannon), religious references (Devil Car, Demon King, etc), personal information (Miis, location), and more.

And the Character Select Screen? I think that's a chance for ESRB to see every character in the game. So they can know that the characters, in and of themselves, are nothing inappropriate.

As for the lock icon on All-Stars -- that could've easily had been recorded before the CSS was fully unlocked.

What do you guys think?

I would agree with you because I already set my expectation that way. Also If Snake is actually in the game then they would submit a video of snake's move set because I know that they need to review C4, Mines, Rocket Launcher and Grenades.

If Snake is actually in the game then he would have been in ESRB video but he didn't then it is just cold disconfirmation for him. It's quite a possibly that he could become DLC character but I seriously doubt it.

It's possible that there could be surprise characters for 3DS in order to advertising Wii U version. Like Connectivity between Wii U and 3DS or something like that.

Right now, I think it's more likely to be final roster for Smash 3DS at the moment.
 
Snake's codecs were a part of why I was excited for each newcomer. I wanted to know what new he had to say about everyone. =\
 
I'm fairly confident the leaked Character Select Screen features the entire roster, and that there is nothing left to unlock.

Think about it: Everything in the leak comes from video footage shown to the ESRB. Thus, everything has some bearing on ratings. Check these images again -- you have potty humor (Wario Waft), gambling (Spectator Mode), drugs (see "grass" in Training), T&A (Krystal, Candy, Barbara, Twinrova, Tharja, Tiki, etc), realistic weapons (the missile reference, possibly Bowser Jr.'s cannon), religious references (Devil Car, Demon King, etc), personal information (Miis, location), and more.

And the Character Select Screen? I think that's a chance for ESRB to see every character in the game. So they can know that the characters, in and of themselves, are nothing inappropriate.

As for the lock icon on All-Stars -- that could've easily had been recorded before the CSS was fully unlocked.

What do you guys think?
never say never
 
I really hope that, if Snake does end up being cut, they give the character commentary stuff to either Doc Louis (I feel that it's one of the main reasons why the Punch Out ring is a shared stage between 3DS and Wii U) or the Kid Icarus cast (Sakurai already is going nuts with Uprising stuff, might as well bring all the characters back for this).
Well, we do still have the StarFox commentary. But yeah, I think Doc Louis and Viridi fully talking in Mac and Palutena's trailers shows that they might have those kind of conversations.
 
Snake brought so much MGS goodness to Brawl, sad to see him go...
I have a feeling even if that pic is fake, the rumors/leaks that we've seen of the missing 5 and the DLC are going to wind up being combined to make up 5 characters.

So that means we can only have 5 of these: Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Chorus Men, Snake, Impa, Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo and Mach Rider.

Choose your fate GAF.

I expect Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Impa and Mewtwo.

Chorus Men, Lucas, Ice Climbers, Impa, Mewtwo
 
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